[QUOTE=st_nick5;51781554]At least four hours since this thread was created and it's still up. Are they all asleep or something?[/QUOTE]
Bro, Superbowl Sunday.
[QUOTE=J!NX;51781769]The main issue with DRM is that when you're legitimately buying a game its a bit of a shame to have DRM in it
I'm not sure if this is the case for Denuvo, however people dislike DRM because of how intrusive and inconvenient it is compared to non drm or even just pirating it. Sure, piracy is rarely caused to counter DRM, but people just don't buy DRM games.
Just look at UPlay or GFWL. You're forced to use a completely secondary platform just to play the game, which requires registration and even online connections.
Then look at Sim city. You're forced to play with a connection for an otherwise very single player game.
There is also HDCP which has been known to fuck users over just because they don't have a "legitimate" "HD screen". If your 4k TV bugs out you can't watch any HDCP content.[/QUOTE]
It's hating DRM based on the main fact it is simply DRM for the most part. Denuvo doesn't appear to suffer from the shortcomings of many previous DRM systems which I completely agree were utter tripe
[QUOTE=rampageturke 2;51781790]It's hating DRM based on the main fact it is simply DRM. Denuvo doesn't appear to suffer from the shortcomings of many previous DRM systems which I completely agree were utter tripe[/QUOTE]
Pretty much why Denuvo is hated
terrible rumors about it spread and regardless of it being false its too late, everyone has learned to hate it by now, regardless of how intrusive it is or isn't
I personally don't agree with DRM as a practice myself but I'm happy it isn't GFWL. I'm not exactly going to avoid RE7 just because of it having this DRM.
I feel like paying for DRM could cause more money to be lost than just going DRM free but this is 100% my imaginary-anecdotal-opinion
Its only as good as the DRM its applied to, the effect is very minimal if you're a windows gamer using steam, 99 percent won't even notice.
All DRM is anti-consumer in the end though, so I'd rather not have it.
Development on DRM also means a lack of development on something more useful since games are just gonna get cracked anyway.
Most of the arguments against it just seem like butt-hurt pirates that can't get free games, so you get a lot of trumped up bullshit like it kills SSD's or ruins game performance. The only pleasure I take from it is seeing their entitlement crushed. But I feel for people who just wanna mod or run them on Wine.
[QUOTE=Saxon;51781833]Most of the arguments against it just seem like butt-hurt pirates that can't get free games, so you get a lot of trumped up bullshit like it kills SSD's or ruins game performance. The only pleasure I take from it is seeing their entitlement crushed. But I feel for people who just wanna mod or run them on Wine.[/QUOTE]
My argument against it is that its a portion of a games budget that is going into something other than the game itself
Sure, RE7 had it, and people say its amazing regardless, however I'd rather the money went into additional Q&A universally. Better optimization [B]only[/B] makes a better game, across the board.
[QUOTE=rampageturke 2;51781754]So why does everyone hate denuvo again? The SSD claims have been disproven many times, what else have they done that's bad? I have played a few denuvo games and they appeared to perform fine?[/QUOTE]
Come back in 2027, tell me if Hitman still launches without a hitch.
[QUOTE=Darkwater124;51781830]Development on DRM also means a lack of development on something more useful since games are just gonna get cracked anyway.[/QUOTE]
It's not like the developers of the game are wasting their time implementing a new DRM solution every time. Third parties make it because that's what their programmers are interested in and that's what they're good at.
There's a market for the middleware obviously, companies are still buying it despite the "proof" that you don't need DRM to get sales (any fucking mook could tell you this, the question is would you get as many sales thanks to people sharing with friends, etc.).
It's not taking time away from "more useful" stuff, as it's useful to somebody.
[QUOTE=Revelificent;51781189]I actually understand the point of Denuvo and I think it's fine that companies want to use it. The only people who really complain about the program are people who pirate games.[/QUOTE]
[url]https://whyisdenuvobad.github.io/[/url]
[QUOTE=GhillieBacca;51781882]Come back in 2027, tell me if Hitman still launches without a hitch.[/QUOTE]
I'll put a note in my notifications and come back in 2027 if I still remember :v:
[QUOTE=C0linSSX;51781888][url]https://whyisdenuvobad.github.io/[/url][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Denuvo locks you into your purchase platform for now to eternity. If you purchase a Denuvo game on Steam, you must use Steam forever or abandon your purchases to the wind. If your Steam account gets hacked or locked, your games are gone, because they were never really yours, and you never really even had a copy of them.[/QUOTE]
Can anyone elaborate on what this means?
and if the rest is true then that's actually very shit
[QUOTE=GhillieBacca;51781882]Come back in 2027, tell me if Hitman still launches without a hitch.[/QUOTE]
hello i am from 2027
hitman trademarked launches just fine and everythign related to defndfovo works perfectly
now let's talk about squeenix's amazing take on their THIRD LAYER OF DRM that is always online and punishes you for being offline but recognizes in some ways that theres a slight chance that you might be a legit customer in offline mode, o thank you for your mercy
you won't even get an end-mission score in offline mode, it's truly amazing
As much as I dislike DRM, and Denuvo via its upbringings, I honestly haven't had any issues with the DRM itself.
MGSV ran like a dream and didn't kill my SSD for the almost 100 hours I put into it, and DOOM ran just as well with Denvuo for me as it does now without it.
I'd prefer Denuvo didn't exist, but as long as it's not doing any shady shit (constantly running in the background, essentially being malware, etc), then I honestly don't mind.
If this leak somehow shows it doing some shady shit though, then I guess I'll just re-install my OS and not install any more Denuvo games.
[QUOTE=J!NX;51781941]Can anyone elaborate on what this means?
and if the rest is true then that's actually very shit[/QUOTE]
That's nothing to do with Denuvo, and everything to do with Steamworks lmao. Grasping for straws much? (this is targeted at their claim, not you just to clear that up!)
It's entirely possible for a developer to take Denuvo out of their game when they deem it not worth the investment any more or fear the service vanishing. It's a compilation step if what we assume about it is correct, just skip over that extra obfuscating step and bam, sorted.
[QUOTE=Jelman;51780813]denuvo introduction also seems to take any cd key and is this:
[t]https://jelman.me/sharex/2017-02-05_20-13-13.png[/t]
[t]https://jelman.me/sharex/2017-02-05_20-15-12.png[/t]
[t]https://jelman.me/sharex/2017-02-05_20-17-59.png[/t]
[t]https://jelman.me/sharex/2017-02-05_20-19-29.png[/t]
nice powerpoint denuvo
if anyone wants a gallery of them all let me know[/QUOTE]
What a load of corporate bullshit
well Denuvo is just refurbished Securom which is all former or still is subsidiary of Sony ...
overall i'm not happy if M&B2: Warband uses Denuvo cause i consider it waste of resources
not to mention the other troubles it brings with it ...
I think these games should be available on GOG, thus no DRM.
[QUOTE=Revelificent;51781277]First launch yes, but I'm pretty sure after that launch you can play it offline forever. I played DoW2 for a good 2 months after I lost internet for 6 or so.
Fair enough to the second point. I'm just trying to find a middle ground for developers and players/modders.[/QUOTE]
If you havent re-activated it for too long the game *will* demand you reconnect to the internet to reactivate it. I don't think DoW2 is a denuvo game seeing it released in 2009.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;51781982]That's nothing to do with Denuvo, and everything to do with Steamworks lmao. Grasping for straws much? (this is targeted at their claim, not you just to clear that up!)
It's entirely possible for a developer to take Denuvo out of their game when they deem it not worth the investment any more or fear the service vanishing. It's a compilation step if what we assume about it is correct, just skip over that extra obfuscating step and bam, sorted.[/QUOTE]
Indeed, It should be pointed out that Denuvo is in fact not DRM, it's an anti tamper solution and requires another DRM to actually do anything
[QUOTE=Saxon;51780908]wait do they want to put denuvo with HDCP or something? they can fuck right off[/QUOTE]
You know, I was neutral on topic of Denuvo before I saw this, now I'm hoping their company crashes and burns before they have a chance to implement this.
HDCP is already a fucking cancer, now imagine a new version of it with another point of failure/"layer of security"
Enjoy being locked out of your games and movies because you're watching them wrong
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[QUOTE=bunguer;51783892]Source on being refurbished Securom? It's the first time I'm hearing it and I have doubts it being so, considering last year everything pointed it to be a VMProtect style application.[/QUOTE]
Pretty sure it's the same company, or at least split off from it.
A little bit of messing with the introduction and you get this when you try to launch it:
[img]http://i.imgur.com/GWVLaAB.png[/img]
*EDIT*
[url]https://www.pcgamesn.com/just-cause-3/we-speak-to-denuvo-whose-anti-tamper-tech-may-have-left-piracy-dead-in-the-water[/url]
[quote][B]"Denuvo is the new company formed from the management buyout of the Sony DADC DigitalWorks team," reads the 'who are we?' section of the company's official site. "The team that developed best-of-breed copy protection like SecuROM for games and Screen Pass for movies."[/B][/quote]
[QUOTE=Jelman;51780813]denuvo introduction also seems to take any cd key and is this:
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nice powerpoint denuvo
if anyone wants a gallery of them all let me know[/QUOTE]
It's mind boggling that they went through so much effort to make a CD key protected executable for their powerpoint when you can just open the .exe with winrar and pull the powerpoint out of it...
Not sure how late I am, but the site issue now seems to be fixed.
Since what Denuvo did is apparently against EU laws, here's hoping they get a fucking hefty fine that completely ruins them.
[IMG]https://raddcircles.xyz/i/itb7p.png[/IMG]
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[QUOTE=Cushie;51783930]Pretty sure it's the same company, or at least split off from it.
A little bit of messing with the introduction and you get this when you try to launch it:
[img]http://i.imgur.com/GWVLaAB.png[/img]
*EDIT*
[url]https://www.pcgamesn.com/just-cause-3/we-speak-to-denuvo-whose-anti-tamper-tech-may-have-left-piracy-dead-in-the-water[/url]
It's mind boggling that they went through so much effort to make a CD key protected executable for their powerpoint when you can just open the .exe with winrar and pull the powerpoint out of it...[/QUOTE]
you have no idea what you're talking about, none of that means it is a refurbished securom
[QUOTE=rampageturke 2;51785333]you have no idea what you're talking about, none of that means it is a refurbished securom[/QUOTE]
Securom was even sold as another product entirely alongside being able to purchase Denuvo
Nobody should be using it now though, since Securom is no longer possible under Windows 10, as the security exploit it utilised has been patched
[QUOTE=J!NX;51781941]Can anyone elaborate on what this means?
and if the rest is true then that's actually very shit[/QUOTE]
That point is bullshit because that is the case with 99% of steam games with or without denuvo. Very few games allow you to play without being signed in to your steam account.
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