[QUOTE=Sanius;31760047]I'm glad you're not in any position of power[/QUOTE]
probably nobody here ever will be
[QUOTE=Mr. N;31760100]probably nobody here ever will[/QUOTE]
cool
[QUOTE=SoaringScout;31760044]Yes you can. Just watch it happen. I would love for you to provide some cases like this that could be used a proof. And if people as angry as you were in the justice system, a bunch of people would be dead before they had the chance to be rehabilitated into contributing members of society. There is no reason to kill this man other than sheer angry vigilante justice bullshit.[/QUOTE]
Where did I say to kill him? I didn't mention execution once.
What I did say was that he couldn't be rehabilitated. Chuck him in prison and throw away the key for sure, but I never said kill him.
[QUOTE=sltungle;31759978]I'm sorry, I wasn't under the impression that I needed a degree to know that somebody who decapitates a handicapped child for the reason 'to make my wife feel stupid' is a completely and utter psychopath.
People that do stuff like that tend to have very messed up brain chemistry, or parts of their brain have formed incorrectly (you can look this up if you don't believe me) - for example the part of the brain responsible for experiencing certain emotions and the part of the brain shown to allow people to empathise with others is generally not formed correctly in a sociopath.
You CANNOT 'fix' or 'rehabilitate' people like this. It is physically impossible. It's a nice ideal to have 'we should try to fix people instead of locking them away/killing them/etc' but unfortunately it's not realistic. You can't fix someone like this for the same reason that you can't take a computer built in the 50s and make it carry out the same operations as a modern day computer - unless you 'replace' the brain (the circuitry in the case of the computer) things aren't going to change.[/QUOTE]
you do kind of need a degree when you make wild generalizations based on things you read on the internet.
[QUOTE=sltungle;31760116]
What I did say was that he couldn't be rehabilitated.[/QUOTE]
such a statement means a lot coming from such an esteemed criminal psychologist
[QUOTE=sltungle;31759978]I'm sorry, I wasn't under the impression that I needed a degree to know that somebody who decapitates a handicapped child for the reason 'to make my wife feel stupid' is a completely and utter psychopath.
People that do stuff like that tend to have very messed up brain chemistry, or parts of their brain have formed incorrectly (you can look this up if you don't believe me) - for example the part of the brain responsible for experiencing certain emotions and the part of the brain shown to allow people to empathise with others is generally not formed correctly in a sociopath.
You CANNOT 'fix' or 'rehabilitate' people like this. It is physically impossible. It's a nice ideal to have 'we should try to fix people instead of locking them away/killing them/etc' but unfortunately it's not realistic. You can't fix someone like this for the same reason that you can't take a computer built in the 50s and make it carry out the same operations as a modern day computer - unless you 'replace' the brain (the circuitry in the case of the computer) things aren't going to change.[/QUOTE]
Yes, you would know because of all those years you spent learning psychology.
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Jesus Christ look at all those degrees in psychology you have.
You people don't seem to understand that brain chemistry and the structure of your brain dictate your actions - dictate the kind of person you are. You can't choose to ignore the way your brain functions because it IS you. It's like trying to FORCE yourself to enjoy a certain taste/smell - you just can't do it. You can't willingly force your brain to completely change itself.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy[/url]
[quote]Researchers have conducted brain scans on psychopaths while exposing them to emotionally-charged words such as "rape", "murder", and "love". In a normal person, these words will provoke activity in the limbic system, which governs emotions. Pscyhopaths showed no such activity. They react to emotionally-charged words as if they were neutral words (eg "tree", "chair", "spoon"). They do, however, show activity in the brain areas associated with language processing, suggesting that their response is more cognitive than emotional.[41][/quote]
[quote]Recent studies have triggered theories on determining whether there is a biological relationship between the brain and psychopathy. One theory suggests that psychopathy is associated with both the amygdala, which is associated with emotional reactions and emotional learning, and the prefrontal cortex, associated with impulse control, decision-making, emotional learning and behavioral adaptation.[59] Some studies have shown there is less "gray matter" in these areas in psychopaths than in non-psychopaths.
There is DT-MRI evidence of breakdowns in the white matter connections between these two important areas in a small British study of nine criminal psychopaths. This evidence suggests that the degree of abnormality was significantly related to the degree of psychopathy and may explain the offending behaviors.[60][61][/quote]
And yes, wikipedia IS a valid source. In fact, I'll source THAT statement too:
[url]http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2005/dec/14/wikipedianowo[/url]
[url]http://news.cnet.com/2100-1038_3-5997332.html[/url]
[url]http://slashdot.org/story/05/12/15/1352207/Wikipedias-Accuracy-Compared-to-Britannica[/url]
[QUOTE=sltungle;31760198]You people don't seem to understand that brain chemistry and the structure of your brain dictate your actions - dictate the kind of person you are. You can't choose to ignore the way your brain functions because it IS you. It's like trying to FORCE yourself to enjoy a certain taste/smell - you just can't do it. You can't willingly force your brain to completely change itself.[/QUOTE]
uh yeah you can, which is why drugs are administrated during rehabilitation to correct behavior
[quote]And yes, wikipedia IS a valid source. In fact, I'll source THAT statement too:[/quote]
wikipedia is not a source. it contains sources
[QUOTE=Sanius;31760212]uh yeah you can, which is why drugs are administrated during rehabilitation to correct behavior[/QUOTE]
For the brain chemistry part drugs CAN help, yes (not always however).
For the physical make up of the brain, however - no. You cannot use drugs to fix that. The brain forms the way it does and while you can change the way it forms while you're going through childhood/puberty it's more or less set in stone by the time you hit like 20 or so.
If someone's brain structure causes them to be aggressive and have a lack of empathy you cannot fix that.
[QUOTE=sltungle;31760232]
If someone's brain structure causes them to be aggressive and have a lack of empathy you cannot fix that.[/QUOTE]
yeah you can
[QUOTE=sltungle;31759978]You CANNOT 'fix' or 'rehabilitate' people like this. It is physically impossible.[/QUOTE]
Most of what you've said is opinion up until this. This is an opinion being presented as fact, an action which you do not have the qualifications to make on your own.
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[QUOTE=sltungle;31760232]If someone's brain structure causes them to be aggressive and have a lack of empathy you cannot fix that.[/QUOTE]
If it's his "brain structure causing him to be aggressive", why would he have not killed anyone till now?
[QUOTE=sltungle;31760232]For the brain chemistry part drugs CAN help, yes (not always however).
For the physical make up of the brain, however - no. You cannot use drugs to fix that. The brain forms the way it does and while you can change the way it forms while you're going through childhood/puberty it's more or less set in stone by the time you hit like 20 or so.
If someone's brain structure causes them to be aggressive and have a lack of empathy you cannot fix that.[/QUOTE]
the source (lmao wikipedia) you gave just said that people with mental disorders have messed up brains, which is kind of obvious. it didn't say nothing about not being able to fix nobody! so i'm afraid i'm going to have to ask you how you know all this
That father really needs to get his head on straight :v:
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31760240]Most of what you've said is opinion up until this. This is an opinion being presented as fact, an action which you do not have the qualifications to make on your own.[/QUOTE]
There's links above. Read them if you feel like it. Do some reading on the brain too.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31760240]If it's his "brain structure causing him to be aggressive", why would he have not killed anyone till now?[/QUOTE]
Because up until this point he's probably actively been trying to suppress any urges he had to do anything seriously violent, but inevitably those thoughts and feelings would always have been there if he has the brain of a psychopath. Therapy won't make them go away, all that would do is make him try to suppress those thoughts and feelings better, but in the end he'd be a ticking time bomb waiting to go off again.
It's funny that people would be agreeing with me right now if we were discussing a paedophile, "he can't change, lock him up!". Or if we were discussing sexuality, "it's in our genetics/the way our brain is formed! We can't help it."
The second you raise these points that conflict with people's ideals related to the criminal system they do a 180 on you and claim that these people can change. They cannot. He's a psychopath for the same reason that I'm straight: because my brain structure dictates that I am. I can't force myself to like dick because that's simply not the way my brain works.
We have no idea whether this guy is a psycho or anything of the like.
But then again who am I to argue with a qualified psychologist like yourself.
[QUOTE=sltungle;31760291]It's funny that people would be agreeing with me right now if we were discussing a paedophile, "he can't change, lock him up!". Or if we were discussing sexuality, "it's in our genetics/the way our brain is formed! We can't help it."
The second you raise these points that conflict with people's ideals related to the criminal system they do a 180 on you and claim that these people can change. They cannot. He's a psychopath for the same reason that I'm straight: because my brain structure dictates that I am. I can't force myself to like dick because that's simply not the way my brain works.[/QUOTE]
The difference here is that people are able to decide whether to act on sexual urges, be they homosexual, heterosexual, or a pedophile. You are making the argument that this person will forever be unable to avoid acting on his urges. I don't make the argument that pedophiles should be thrown in prison for life, I say the same as in this case: rehabilitate them.
[QUOTE=sltungle;31760291]Because up until this point he's probably actively been trying to suppress any urges he had to do anything seriously violent, but inevitably those thoughts and feelings would always have been there if he has the brain of a psychopath. Therapy won't make them go away, all that would do is make him try to suppress those thoughts and feelings better, but in the end he'd be a ticking time bomb waiting to go off again.
It's funny that people would be agreeing with me right now if we were discussing a paedophile, "he can't change, lock him up!". Or if we were discussing sexuality, "it's in our genetics/the way our brain is formed! We can't help it."
The second you raise these points that conflict with people's ideals related to the criminal system they do a 180 on you and claim that these people can change. They cannot. He's a psychopath for the same reason that I'm straight: because my brain structure dictates that I am. I can't force myself to like dick because that's simply not the way my brain works.[/QUOTE]
funny thing about that, i actually have the same opinion on pedophiles that i do on this guy. they're sick, and they need help. i know you've got the generalization broom out, but please don't sweep me up, thanks. also, comparing mental disorders to sexuality kind of makes no fucking sense. sexuality is determined by a number of factors, including exposure to hormones in the womb. pedophilia, sociopathy, psychopathy, whateverpathy has absolutely nothing to do with that.
[QUOTE=Vollybomb;31760336]We have no idea whether this guy is a psycho or anything of the like.
But then again who am I to argue with a qualified psychologist like yourself.[/QUOTE]
You're right, he might not be. But an educated guess would say he is. Normal people don't just suddenly flip out and do stuff like these, at most someone under a lot of stress might crack and HIT someone - shout at them - but not fucking decapitate a child to make someone feel stupid. Normal people do not do that.
Sometimes people ask, "why did somebody so healthy just drop dead?" Well, guess what, they weren't healthy by definition. If you're in perfect health you wouldn't just drop dead because people in perfect health don't drop dead for no reason - everything has a cause because the universe is deterministic in nature. Likewise, perfectly normal people don't just flip out and do something like this, there's some underlying cause.
[QUOTE=sltungle;31760372]You're right, he might not be. But an educated guess would say he is. Normal people don't just suddenly flip out and do stuff like these, at most someone under a lot of stress might crack and HIT someone - shout at them - but not fucking decapitate a child to make someone feel stupid. Normal people do not do that.
Sometimes people ask, "why did somebody so healthy just drop dead?" Well, guess what, they weren't healthy by definition. If you're in perfect health you wouldn't just drop dead because people in perfect health don't drop dead for no reason - everything has a cause because the universe is deterministic in nature. Likewise, perfectly normal people don't just flip out and do something like this, there's some underlying cause.[/QUOTE]
this isn't about whether he's mentally unsound or not, it's about whether he can be helped or not.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31760344]The difference here is that people are able to decide whether to act on sexual urges, be they homosexual, heterosexual, or a pedophile. You are making the argument that this person will forever be unable to avoid acting on his urges. I don't make the argument that pedophiles should be thrown in prison for life, I say the same as in this case: rehabilitate them.[/QUOTE]
No, I'm not saying that. He might actually be able to suppress these tendencies, but the problem is that they'll always be there under the surface even if he isn't going around giving into them and hacking people's heads off. The problem is that they're always there under the surface and there's always the risk (and probably a high one at that) that he will flip out again and give in to these tendencies... and the repercussions of giving into psychopathic tendencies are INCREDIBLY bad (which is evident given what has happened here).
[QUOTE=TheHydra;31760392]this isn't about whether he's mentally unsound or not, it's about whether he can be helped or not.[/QUOTE]
Yeah the former's pretty much a given.
[QUOTE=sltungle;31760406]No, I'm not saying that. He might actually be able to suppress these tendencies, but the problem is that they'll always be there under the surface even if he isn't going around giving into them and hacking people's heads off. The problem is that they're always there under the surface and there's always the risk (and probably a high one at that) that he will flip out again and give in to these tendencies... and the repercussions of giving into psychopathic tendencies are INCREDIBLY bad (which is evident given what has happened here).[/QUOTE]
which is why he needs help.
I don't think these 'tendencies' were even there in the first place.
[QUOTE=TheHydra;31760446]which is why he needs help.[/QUOTE]
Oh bugger it all to hell. I give up.
Obviously your brain is hardwired to be stubborn. I guess that's not going to change either.
[QUOTE=sltungle;31760459]Oh bugger it all to hell. I give up.
Obviously your brain is hardwired to be stubborn. I guess that's not going to change either.[/QUOTE]
no, my brain is hardwired to be compassionate towards other people. oh well. nice arguing with you!
[QUOTE=TheHydra;31760479]no, my brain is hardwired to be compassionate towards other people.[/QUOTE]
And so is mine. I believe in rehabilitation for people who CAN be 'fixed', but unfortunately some people can NOT be fixed no matter how much you'd like to believe they can - that's just the reality of the situation. It's a nice ideal to go, "everyone can be helped!" but unfortunately that's wishful thinking and nothing more.
What.
you keep making all these claims about why you can't help the person because he is a psychopath, even though we know hardly about this persons mind or his previous situation.
I'm starting to suspect you're not a psychologist.
[QUOTE=sltungle;31760496]And so is mine. I believe in rehabilitation for people who CAN be 'fixed', but unfortunately some people can NOT be fixed no matter how much you'd like to believe they can - that's just the reality of the situation. It's a nice ideal to go, "everyone can be helped!" but unfortunately that's wishful thinking and nothing more.[/QUOTE]
i'm still waiting on the sources that say who can and can't be helped btw
[QUOTE=sltungle;31760459]
Obviously your brain is hardwired to be stubborn. I guess that's not going to change either.[/QUOTE]
you have yet to convince us that you know anything at all about criminal psychology. everything you've said can be summed up as "he can't be helped lol!"
I doubt the boy's head is worth $5 million. Just send him to jail for several years like any ol' murderer.
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