• Man decapitates disabled son
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[QUOTE=Sanius;31760523]you have yet to convince us that you know anything at all about criminal psychology. everything you've said can be summed up as "he can't be helped lol!"[/QUOTE] You don't NEED to know about criminal psychology - you just need to know how the brain works! How it forms, what changes its physical structure, how much it can change, etc. I've already quoted the fact that the misformed brains of psychopaths are responsible for their actions and desires. Don't tell me that I've not given you any facts or information, because the jist of it's on page 1. I could find more if you really wanted to but I'm not exactly sure what to google to get results on brain structure and its effects on personality/actions (especially in relation to the topic at hand). Instead of bitching to me about it search for it yourself! You can find the information if you look for it. Fuck, I know for a fact there's an episode of Dexter in which Dexter's 'dad' explains how the brains of a sociopath and a regular person are different (and yes, it's a TV show, but TV shows like that have advisors on these things to make sure they're factually correct).
[QUOTE=TheGronk;31760543]I doubt the boy's head is worth $5 million. Just send him to jail for several years like any ol' murderer.[/QUOTE] no, that won't do either. it really isn't a matter of "does this guy have a problem?"; you don't have to be a criminal psychologist to look at this case and say "something is very likely wrong with that man." he needs to be sent to psychiatrists and doctors to find out what his problem is, and get treated for it. killing him will accomplish nothing, put us on a questionable moral level, and make us lose quite a bit of money. putting him in jail and releasing him will do the same thing, in addition to the potential of him committing a terrible crime again. [editline]16th August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=sltungle;31760588]You don't NEED to know about criminal psychology - you just need to know how the brain works! How it forms, what changes its physical structure, how much it can change, etc. I've already quoted the fact that the misformed brains of psychopaths are responsible for their actions and desires. Don't tell me that I've not given you any facts or information, because the jist of it's on page 1. I could find more if you really wanted to but I'm not exactly sure what to google to get results on brain structure and its effects on personality/actions (especially in relation to the topic at hand). Instead of bitching to me about it search for it yourself! You can find the information if you look for it. Fuck, I know for a fact there's an episode of Dexter in which Dexter's 'dad' explains how the brains of a sociopath and a regular person are different (and yes, it's a TV show, but TV shows like that have advisors on these things to make sure they're factually correct).[/QUOTE] so if i watch house can i become a medical doctor or what
[QUOTE=sltungle;31760588]You don't NEED to know about criminal psychology - you just need to know how the brain works! How it forms, what changes its physical structure, how much it can change, etc. I've already quoted the fact that the misformed brains of psychopaths are responsible for their actions and desires. Don't tell me that I've not given you any facts or information, because the jist of it's on page 1. I could find more if you really wanted to but I'm not exactly sure what to google to get results on brain structure and its effects on personality/actions (especially in relation to the topic at hand). Instead of bitching to me about it search for it yourself! You can find the information if you look for it. Fuck, I know for a fact there's an episode of Dexter in which Dexter's 'dad' explains how the brains of a sociopath and a regular person are different (and yes, it's a TV show, but TV shows like that have advisors on these things to make sure they're factually correct).[/QUOTE] Why do you assume that anyone who kills anyone is a psycho/sociopath?
[quote]Can Biology make us Murderers? Recent reports in science have found discrete locations in the brain that are used in intricate systems that serve as the human moral compass (1).Changes in the brain have long been known to change the behaviors of a man. In the famous example of Phineas Gage, an accident at his job caused an iron rod to pierce through Gage's skull. Gage was able to stand and speak a few moments later. His intelligence was intact, but it soon became clear that this once model young man had been changed by the incident. He now cursed, lied and behaved horribly to people around them. Gage's doctor, John Harlow, said that Gage was no longer Gage, and that the balance "between his intellectual faculty and his animal propensities" had been destroyed. Can this example of brain-injury be used to explain the 'animal propensities' of serial killers?[/quote] [quote]By finding places in the brain where behavioral traits lie we can understand that there may exist people with neuropathological disorders that can show 'rational-analytic behavior' that is dysfunctional in that it lacks the social emotions that guide normal human behavior. We may find a thinking individual without the portion of his brain that elicits angst or disgust or the fear of social retribution and social acceptance. Indeed, it has been found that the prefrontal cortex, an area of the brain involved in long-term planning and judgment, may not function properly in psychopathic subjects who are said to be 'immoral'. (5) (8) "To know does not necessarily mean to feel, even when you realize that what you know ought to make you feel in a specific way but fails to do so" (3).Ted Bundy 'knew' what he was doing when he brutally murdered his victims, but he may not have been able to 'feel' the moral emotions that such brutality elicits from normal human beings. Current research indicates that the serial killer has difficulty in actually processing, understanding and using emotional material in general. (6) The material tested varies from emotionally disturbing pictures to simply emotional words. Noting that the right hemisphere of the brain is specialized for processing the emotional significance of words, researchers speculated that "psychopaths, who are unempathic, callous, and emotionally shallow, would rely less than non- psychopaths on right-hemisphere-based decoding strategies." Researchers theorized that psychopaths may rely more on the left hemisphere, which "uses a more verbal-analytic strategy." This was found to be the case and indicates fundamental organizational differences in the brain processes of psychopaths and serial killers. (8)[/quote] [quote]A startling amount of criminals on death row have been clinically diagnosed with brain disorders. A recent study has demonstrated that 20 out of 31 confessed killers are diagnosed as mentally ill. Out of that 20, 64% have frontal lobe abnormalities. (1) A thorough study of the profiles of many serial killers shows that many of them had suffered sever head injuries (to the frontal lobe) when they were children. To discover why damage to the frontal lobe could be a cause of serial killing, one must look at the function of the frontal lobe of the brain. The frontal lobe is located in the most anterior part of the brain hemispheres. It is considered responsible for much of the behavior that makes possible stable and adequate social relations. Self-control, planning, judgment, the balance of individual versus social needs, and many other essential functions underlying effective social intercourse are mediated by the frontal structures of the brain. (3) Antonio and Anna Damasio, two noted Portuguese neurologists and researchers working in the University of Iowa, have been investigating in the last decade the neurological basis of psychopathy. They have shown that individuals who had undergone damage to the ventromedial frontal cortex (and who had normal personalities before the damage) developed abnormal social conduct, leading to negative personal consequences. Among other things, they presented inadequate decision-making and planning abilities, which are known to be processed by the frontal lobe of the brain. (5) For a long time now, neuroscientists have known that lesions to this part of the brain lead to severe deficits in all these behaviors. The inordinate use of prefrontal lobotomy as a therapeutic tool by surgeons for many mental diseases in the 40s and 50s, provided researchers with enough data to implicate the frontal brain in the genesis of dissocial and antisocial personalities. (6) Through this information one can posit that the frontal lobe acts as a conscience.[/quote] [url]http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/bb/neuro/neuro01/web2/Solano.html[/url] [url]http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/exchange/node/1698[/url] First two results from Google. The articles do concede that there are people who don't have these visible problems with their brain but they still talk about having an 'uncontrollable urge' to murder, and unfortunately 'urges', just like any other cognitive processes arise in the brain, so there's obviously SOMETHING wrong with the brain of someone with these urges. You can suppress urges, but you can't get rid of them. They're always there. And as to why people with brain damage/misformed brains are 'incurable', it's simple: neurons don't repair. They're the only cells in the body that can't. It's the same reason why if you get a spinal chord injury, unless you get stem cell treatment: you're fucked. You'll be disabled for life. The neurons won't fix themselves naturally. The brain is just a huge collection of neurons. If the sections of the brain responsible for rational thinking, empathy and emotions are underdeveloped you CAN'T force new neurons to grow in order to 'cure' them of their lack of emotions (well, I suppose it's THEORETICALLY possible with stem cell treatment but that itself is illegal in a lot of places and no such thing has ever been attempted and we can't know if it'd even work for sure). [editline]16th August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Vollybomb;31760644]Why do you assume that anyone who kills anyone is a psycho/sociopath?[/QUOTE] They aren't, but people who do things of this nature usually are (this isn't your regular kind of stock murder, this is particularly fucked up and his REASONS for doing it are kind of consistent with the things that psychopaths say).
There are better ways of doing this sort of thing, like a pillow. Cutting the head off a child is a bit of an overkill
[QUOTE=sltungle;31760710]They aren't, but people who do things of this nature usually are (this isn't your regular kind of stock murder, this is particularly fucked up and his REASONS for doing it are kind of consistent with the things that psychopaths say).[/QUOTE] Yeah, you have me there, still I would wait until we have more information on the case before [i]w[/i]e can jump to any donclusions .
For some reason i started laughing at the title.
[QUOTE=TheHydra;31760124]you do kind of need a degree when you make wild generalizations based on things you read on the internet.[/QUOTE] Uhm, cutting your CP son's head off and propping up infront of the house isn't exactly a story with two sides. There are zero excuses for doing that.
He decapitated a kid. A KID. :( Just :(
[QUOTE=Shiftyze;31757831]If it isn't a bother to ask, what was the fathers ethnicity?[/QUOTE] Well he's a man
[QUOTE=sltungle;31760710][url]http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/bb/neuro/neuro01/web2/Solano.html[/url] [url]http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/exchange/node/1698[/url] First two results from Google. The articles do concede that there are people who don't have these visible problems with their brain but they still talk about having an 'uncontrollable urge' to murder, and unfortunately 'urges', just like any other cognitive processes arise in the brain, so there's obviously SOMETHING wrong with the brain of someone with these urges. You can suppress urges, but you can't get rid of them. They're always there. And as to why people with brain damage/misformed brains are 'incurable', it's simple: neurons don't repair. They're the only cells in the body that can't. It's the same reason why if you get a spinal chord injury, unless you get stem cell treatment: you're fucked. You'll be disabled for life. The neurons won't fix themselves naturally. The brain is just a huge collection of neurons. If the sections of the brain responsible for rational thinking, empathy and emotions are underdeveloped you CAN'T force new neurons to grow in order to 'cure' them of their lack of emotions (well, I suppose it's THEORETICALLY possible with stem cell treatment but that itself is illegal in a lot of places and no such thing has ever been attempted and we can't know if it'd even work for sure). [editline]16th August 2011[/editline] They aren't, but people who do things of this nature usually are (this isn't your regular kind of stock murder, this is particularly fucked up and his REASONS for doing it are kind of consistent with the things that psychopaths say).[/QUOTE] Yeah, you're putting up articles about the fact that [I]serial[/I] killers are wired to kill. Sorry, but the guy here hasn't had a string of murders, and you're trying to apply an article about serial killers to anyone who's brandished the blood-stained knife. Nope [editline]16th August 2011[/editline] And sorry, you've yet to give us your professional Infer-details-about-killer's-brain-makeup-from-26-line-article degree or license
Oh garsh nvm [editline]16th August 2011[/editline] Has anyone else noticed in the first page of these kinds of threads. Someone asks the race or says something racist. Then on the second page people start arguing whether they should be put in jal or killed. Then 3rd page on every changes the topic to statistics.
[QUOTE=Natahster;31761561]Oh garsh nvm [editline]16th August 2011[/editline] Has anyone else noticed in the first page of these kinds of threads. Someone asks the race or says something racist. Then on the second page people start arguing whether they should be put in jal or killed. Then 3rd page on every changes the topic to statistics.[/QUOTE] I'm still supprised there hasn't been a highlander joke yet.
There aren't any monsters hiding under our beds or in our closets. The monsters are assholes like that man. I really hope they either give him life in prison, or just feed him to the dogs. Don't know which one I want more though. Honestly....NOTHING in the world could justify an act like that. What the hell has this world come to? D:
The boy's killer/father, he's such an archetypal socio/psychopath it's surprising he hasn't killed anyone else yet. Personally, I'd rather the killer be executed, but I once considered brutally murdering 95% percent of my school for being filled with chavs, so don't take anything from me.
[QUOTE=Greenen72;31761457]Yeah, you're putting up articles about the fact that [I]serial[/I] killers are wired to kill. Sorry, but the guy here hasn't had a string of murders, and you're trying to apply an article about serial killers to anyone who's brandished the blood-stained knife. Nope [editline]16th August 2011[/editline] And sorry, you've yet to give us your professional Infer-details-about-killer's-brain-makeup-from-26-line-article degree or license[/QUOTE] Provide some evidence on the contrary or FUCK OFF. This isn't the way an article works. You can't demand that I present ALL of the evidence to back up my claims and you provide none of your own! If this were a professional debate your side would have lost by this point because all of your arguments consist of, "NO YOU'RE WRONG ANYBODY CAN BE REHABILITATED!" or appeals to authority (which are often logical fallacies!) And I don't need a fucking degree. You think people like JohnnyMo or Eudoxia or aVoN or even I need a degree if we make a post about some science-related thing and offer our insight/opinion? No! Because we're the kind of people who know a lot about those topics. You don't need to be a fucking Ph.D in something to offer insight into it, you just need to know a reasonable amount of information about the topic. I happen to have read a lot about these sorts of things in the past and I have several friends who did psychology in high school who I've discussed this stuff to death with. In fact, said friends even did a case study on the guy I posted about above who got impaled through the head with a metal rod and it changed his personality. So fuck you and offer some fucking evidence on your own or shut up.
[QUOTE=sltungle;31761808]Provide some evidence on the contrary or FUCK OFF. This isn't the way an article works. You can't demand that I present ALL of the evidence to back up my claims and you provide none of your own! If this were a professional debate your side would have lost by this point because all of your arguments consist of, "NO YOU'RE WRONG ANYBODY CAN BE REHABILITATED!" or appeals to authority (which are often logical fallacies!) And I don't need a fucking degree. You think people like JohnnyMo or Eudoxia or aVoN or even I need a degree if we make a post about some science-related thing and offer our insight/opinion? No! Because we're the kind of people who know a lot about those topics. You don't need to be a fucking Ph.D in something to offer insight into it, you just need to know a reasonable amount of information about the topic. I happen to have read a lot about these sorts of things in the past and I have several friends who did psychology in high school who I've discussed this stuff to death with. In fact, said friends even did a case study on the guy I posted about above who got impaled through the head with a metal rod and it changed his personality. So fuck you and offer some fucking evidence on your own or shut up.[/QUOTE] you mad? i dont even know what this topic is about at this point
[QUOTE=IceBlizzard;31761952]you mad? i dont even know what this topic is about at this point[/QUOTE] Yes. I can't fucking stand people who form strong opinions and won't let go in them in light of evidence. It's fucking retarded. If you're wrong you're wrong. Stop being such a baby and deal with it. Don't try clinging onto your beliefs in light of contradictory evidence by saying stuff like, "you're not a criminal psychologist! Nothing you say counts in any way at all!" My main area of research (and study at uni) may be physics, however I'm incredibly interested in neurobiology among other things and have done extensive reading on it. I find consciousness itself to be incredibly intriguing and curious in its nature and existence and as such I've devoted a lot of time to reading about the brain.
[QUOTE=sltungle;31760116]Where did I say to kill him? I didn't mention execution once. What I did say was that he couldn't be rehabilitated. Chuck him in prison and throw away the key for sure, but I never said kill him.[/QUOTE]Because locking him away is gonna make the problem go away. Fuck this generation and fuck those who raised them to think like this! "IF I CLOSE MY EYES, I CAN'T SEE THIS WORLD GO TO SHIT, THEREFORE IT IS ALRIGHT!"
[QUOTE=sltungle;31761808]Provide some evidence on the contrary or FUCK OFF. This isn't the way an article works. You can't demand that I present ALL of the evidence to back up my claims and you provide none of your own! So fuck you and offer some fucking evidence on your own or shut up.[/QUOTE] Temper temper. And the way it works is that you present evidence that's actually relevant. You basically presented an article on how a square is a shape, so every principle that any shape has is applicable to squares. Give an article about regular killers or something linking the 2 and you've got yourself an argument
I've seen alot of fucked up shit on the internet and consider my self desensitised but this is easily the most fucked up thing I've ever read on the internet.
[QUOTE=Cone;31761766]The boy's killer/father, he's such an archetypal socio/psychopath it's surprising he hasn't killed anyone else yet. Personally, I'd rather the killer be executed, but I once considered brutally murdering 95% percent of my school for being filled with chavs, so don't take anything from me.[/QUOTE] ur strong.
Was just curious if he was Muslim
[QUOTE=Greenen72;31762299]Temper temper. And the way it works is that you present evidence that's actually relevant. You basically presented an article on how a square is a shape, so every principle that any shape has is applicable to squares. Give an article about regular killers or something linking the 2 and you've got yourself an argument[/QUOTE] Follow the links on the other page, it mentions this stuff. Why is this hard to understand?! Your brain defines WHO you are, WHAT you want, WHAT you feel and how you think. Your brain is everything about your personality. There's not some magical, undetectable soul inside your body that contains all of these things, it all goes on inside of your brain. The links on the previous page mention how a large portion of psychopaths have very visible structural defects in their brain in the regions [i]associated with emotion, empathy, anger, and the ability to perceive the consequences of actions[/i]. These regions of the brain in most psychopaths have been shown to be smaller and have less grey/white matter in them (different types of brain matter). There's your direct link. The guy that killed his son IMMEDIATELY sets of every warning bell of a psychopath. His method of killing was... to be frank - messed up. His reasons for doing it were equally as messed up. The actions he carried out after the death were also incredibly fucked up. The way he was quoted in the article (and the way it talks about him) makes it clear that he's not experiencing any guilt, remorse or empathy. These are, [b]by definition[/b] traits of a psychopath. These are what MAKE somebody a psychopath.
You don't know the reason why he killed the boy, hell you don't know dick about this guy. No previous violent offenses, theft in 2005, some argument with the girlfriend a month back and now the decapitation, that's all you know. And that's how we are gonna remember him. Anyway, he is one psycho fuck to decapitate a child and to pin the head outside for people to see, no doubt about it.
Fucking disgusting. Poor boy.
[QUOTE=sltungle;31762401]Follow the links on the other page, it mentions this stuff. Why is this hard to understand?! Your brain defines WHO you are, WHAT you want, WHAT you feel and how you think. Your brain is everything about your personality. There's not some magical, undetectable soul inside your body that contains all of these things, it all goes on inside of your brain. The links on the previous page mention how a large portion of psychopaths have very visible structural defects in their brain in the regions [i]associated with emotion, empathy, anger, and the ability to perceive the consequences of actions[/i]. These regions of the brain in most psychopaths have been shown to be smaller and have less grey/white matter in them (different types of brain matter). There's your direct link. The guy that killed his son IMMEDIATELY sets of every warning bell of a psychopath. His method of killing was... to be frank - messed up. His reasons for doing it were equally as messed up. The actions he carried out after the death were also incredibly fucked up. The way he was quoted in the article (and the way it talks about him) makes it clear that he's not experiencing any guilt, remorse or empathy. These are, [b]by definition[/b] traits of a psychopath. These are what MAKE somebody a psychopath.[/QUOTE] the point is we can't know for sure what's wrong with him until he's psychologically evaluated, which is why all your points are moot. and we might as well TRY to see what can be done and if not, then lock him up. but it's entirely counter-productive just to say "lol welp he's obviously crazy let's not even try." and no, what you described is a sociopath because of being unable to comprehend empathy or emotions.
[QUOTE=BlackCrow;31759432]Ohshit.. I'm a monster.. I read "seasoned officers" and licked my lips.. then I saw "this takes the cake." and I moaned a hungry moan..[/QUOTE] are you 12 seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you
[QUOTE=sltungle;31761808]So fuck you and offer some fucking evidence on your own or shut up.[/QUOTE] Putting up a bunch of irrelevant "evidence" does nothing to prove your side's argument.
Evidence against or for what? Don't even know what you guys are arguing about.. another day at FP The guy's a nutjob, no rehab or psychiatrist evaluations are gonna heal this guy if there's anything to heal in the first place. Don't like it how people bring up some definitions of psychopathy or sociopathy and some brain studies like as if they know what's the deal with this guy.
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