German court acquits seven members of Wuppertal's 'Shariah police'
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man if one of these cunts walked up to me, i'd fucking call him a cockgobbling cunt and tell him to go shove a beer up his own ass
[QUOTE=Daddy-of-war;51416164]Some where in the depths of hell, Satan is making Hitler watch this, and Hitler is just screaming and screaming.[/QUOTE]
Actually Hitler believed Islam was good for Germany because it was better than the "jew religion" (Christianity). He believed that if they had won the Battle of Tours, Europe would have become Islamic and the Arabs would eventually die out in the cold climate, leaving his superior race with what he considered a superior religion. He also admired the dedication of Arab soldiers to their religion, something he thought that if the German Army had, they could never lose. As far as Arabs themselves, in public he maintained a positive relationship due to their mutual hatred of Jews and the British, but in private he considered them an inferior race.
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It's the opposite, actually:
- Our police here constantly gets labelled as being not hard enough on foreigners by certain very vocal groups, for doing their job and not overly quickly releasing information on the identity of foreign perpetrators (which isn't customary in Germany in [I]any[/I] case due to privacy laws. The most that is usually revealed are gender and approximate age of those involved in a crime, though the police will issue corrections against rumours if necessary). I'm honestly impressed our police keeps doing a decent job in this regard despite being metaphorically screamed at by multiple groups lately.
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So police gets labelled as being not hard enough on foreigners? This isn't opposite of what I said, it aligns with what I said.
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- I don't remember a single case where a lawyer was labelled as racist. Prosecutors here normally are in far more danger if they order investigations against the press, especially if those journalists are under scrutiny for revealing malpractice or secrets of the state revealed by a whistleblower. The last one who did this lost his position in less than a month if I'm not mistaken, and even the main state media published a few editorials accusing the prosecution of unjustly hindering freedom of the press. (Not sure how clear this is [/QUOTE]
True, me neither, my bad, but lawyers do not appear much in news / are not in spotlight anyway. Wanted to say 'officials' which are people that work for/inside government.
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- Some overly zealous feminists tried to label (I think defence-)attorneys as sexist in a recent privacy violation/rape case, but that was mostly shot down because this place rarely engages in widespread knee-jerk reactions. It could have been against the prosecutors in the resulting false accusation case though; I didn't follow it that closely. Point being: Attorneys here sometimes get accused of something, but it's usually not of being racist or anything relating to that as far as high-profile issues go.
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Feminism is for Sweden it seems :v:
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That said, there was indeed a recent scandal with police officers letting their preconceptions about immigrants hinder an investigation. [I]This directly lead to multiple people being murdered by neo-nazis despite some evidence already being available.[/I] You understand why it's a huge deal when an issue like this is uncovered, right?
Normally I'd understand how you could get the wrong impression because people keep smearing this country on English-language online platforms, but other users (myself included) have pointed this out to you multiple times already in other threads. At this point you'd have to actively seek out that misinformation to repeat it here, so I'm going with both 'propaganda' and 'blatant lying' here as far as categorising your post goes.
Seriously, it's pretty infuriating. We have enough actual issues, so we don't need anyone spreading fake ones in addition to that :glare:[/QUOTE]
Yeah, was also reading about this scandal and murders. The less info goes out from investigation => bigger chance of finding criminals.
I do not seek intentionally mis-information, I try to avoid much of bullshit, guess I fall for some but I doubt you are 100% perfect though. You may have eaten lots of lies from German news and you don't even know. Who knows. I am just happy Germany is doing something about those issues.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;51418181]Actually Hitler believed Islam was good for Germany because it was better than the "jew religion" (Christianity). He believed that if they had won the Battle of Tours, Europe would have become Islamic and the Arabs would eventually die out in the cold climate, leaving his superior race with what he considered a superior religion. He also admired the dedication of Arab soldiers to their religion, something he thought that if the German Army had, they could never lose. As far as Arabs themselves, in public he maintained a positive relationship due to their mutual hatred of Jews and the British, but in private he considered them an inferior race.[/QUOTE]
Woah. Learn something everyday. Thanks for the knowledge bro.
[QUOTE=Fourier;51416348]One of them is on trial for supporting terrorism. They technically haven't broken law until proven guilty, but knowing Germany they don't mess around with terrorism especially in times like now, where any wrong move can label the police/lawyers/judges as racist, which means there exists high chance the terrorist supporter is guilty.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Fourier;51418458]So police gets labelled as being not hard enough on foreigners? This isn't opposite of what I said, it aligns with what I said.[/QUOTE]
It really doesn't, unless you mean something different from what you wrote.
I'm interpreting it as 'Police would be labelled racist if they went after foreigners needlessly, so they only prosecute if they're sure they can win.', which to my knowledge isn't true.
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I do not seek intentionally mis-information, I try to avoid much of bullshit, guess I fall for some but I doubt you are 100% perfect though. You may have eaten lots of lies from German news and you don't even know. Who knows. [...][/QUOTE]
Unlike you apparently, I get my news from more than one kind of news organisation, and more importantly I check the direct sources with controversial stuff like this. I'm taking this one as personal insult.
[editline]edit[/editline] Though to be fair, you don't know me or the media here well enough to preemptively exclude that. I probably should should file it under uninformed opinions even if it's not particularly hard to lift the veil on most misinformation campaigns...
I check sources too , mainly Guardian which is most legit (and still can be 'off' sometime)
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;51409731]Seriously, if anyone else tried doing this with just being "Police" or "~XYZ Religious Group~ Police" you can bet your ass they would be in prison before the end of the night. The only reason these guys are getting off is because of the outcry it would cause with a bunch of rabid anti-rascist people.[/QUOTE]
Don't be ridiculous. The fact that these guys were even charged in the first place says it all. People do not, and will not, put up with that sort of shit. Unfortunately, a court found that they weren't breaking any laws exactly. Which doesn't mean their conduct is okay, only that it's not illegal. You should look up courts, it's kind of how they work.
[QUOTE=Fourier;51421080]I check sources too , mainly Guardian which is most legit (and still can be 'off' sometime)[/QUOTE]
With 'sources' I mean police press releases and statistics released by the government/that the government here works with. It's not uncommon for them to be available in English too.
Barring that, you can also follow the links through to the [I]actual initial[/I] report (which you can read with Microsoft Translator since that's better at German than Google's (though the latter was updated too)). If it doesn't provide a link or traces back to a supposed witness statement only, I wouldn't consider it reliable at all. The Guardian seems somewhat hit-and-miss in this regard too, but I don't know if that's just because of the topics I use it for.
If it's a fringe story, try to look for direct denials of it, since that's generally the fastest way to reveal fakes or spin as such even if the larger newspapers don't pick it up at all. For example there's a huge issue with 'fake news' (e.g. fabricated screenshots of supposed articles) being spread on social media, often in English, but if you look up the matter yourself you often find a correction.
I'm aware that the English language press on Germany has a very different tone than our national press, but it can't be [I]that[/I] hard to not get everything completely backwards, hopefully.
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