New graphic anti-smoking adverts launched in England - Polidicks

[QUOTE=SlickBlade;39004255]In Australia we still got the images on the boxes, most recent images I've seen is of a small, deformed newborn baby, and a dead man in a bed all thin and worn out[/QUOTE] I know smoking has an effect on birth but holy shit, it makes the baby deformed? Gross dude

[QUOTE=erazor;39004065]An even larger amount is spent on treating smokers for lung cancer etc. on the NHS.[/QUOTE] I actually doubt that, considering how much a heavy smoker spends on cigs and considering how heavily they are taxed, if they're spending £10 a day on cigs for 30 years it probably does pay off. It's probably alcohol your thinking of because of the health risks as well as the dumb shit people do when they're drunk

[QUOTE=Gareth;39004362]I actually doubt that, considering how much a heavy smoker spends on cigs and considering how heavily they are taxed, if they're spending £10 a day on cigs for 30 years it probably does pay off. It's probably alcohol your thinking of because of the health risks as well as the dumb shit people do when they're drunk[/QUOTE] Smokers cost the NHS £5b a year, but pay £10b in taxes, so you're right [url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8086142.stm[/url]

[QUOTE=Gareth;39004362]I actually doubt that, considering how much a heavy smoker spends on cigs and considering how heavily they are taxed, if they're spending £10 a day on cigs for 30 years it probably does pay off. It's probably alcohol your thinking of because of the health risks as well as the dumb shit people do when they're drunk[/QUOTE] [url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8086142.stm[/url] [url]http://www.the-tma.org.uk/tma-publications-research/facts-figures/tax-revenue-from-tobacco/[/url] the only reason tobacco makes up the deficit is because of excise taxes.

Eww my hippy peace loving sister shall not have peace when she enters a store

Why do the government insist on doing this when alot of their tax comes from tobacco companies?

[QUOTE=The mouse;39004532]Why do the government insist on doing this when alot of their tax comes from tobacco companies?[/QUOTE] because strangely enough, some people value life over excess money

[QUOTE=The mouse;39004532]Why do the government insist on doing this when alot of their tax comes from tobacco companies?[/QUOTE] Because the majority of the people are done with the filthy ass smokers.

[QUOTE=Marbalo;39004625]Except that doesn't work. Eventually and inevitably people will become desensitized to whatever is shown on TV or the horror images on the cig packages themselves. The bottom line is if people want to smoke, they will. You might as well simply create more public smoking places or something of the sort. This is basically the same as banning all drugs to reduce drug use.[/QUOTE] this isn't about banning smoking, it's about ensuring nobody ever starts. nobody wants lung cancer.

[QUOTE=- Livewire -;39003862]If they legalised Cannabis, I'd probably never smoke Tobacco again.[/QUOTE] I doubt cannabis would be enough to get a smoker to quit. Nicotine hella strong. Many people smoke it even when they have a hole in their throat.

God damn't, people litter cigarette packs enough and now when I walk around and find litter I get to see lung cancer and fucked up eyeballs? Jesus Christ

[QUOTE=Marbalo;39004765]And yet hundreds of millions still smoke.[/QUOTE] because of hundreds of societal factors that are mostly down to peer pressure and lack of education. pictures of what cigarettes can do to you is a good way to educate people on the risk factors

[QUOTE=Marbalo;39004765]And yet hundreds of millions still smoke.[/QUOTE] A lot of those are also addicted to a substance they'd rather not be addicted to and would rather give up.

People should see the ones here in Brazil, they are extremely graphic, goes from an open wound in the head to dissecated bodies. There was even an ad a while ago that showed a dead fetus in a jar.

[QUOTE=Marbalo;39004851]Just like those ads that show the horrors of Meth and Cocaine abuse work, right? And that shit is considerably harder to get your hands on than cigarettes. I have not seen a single piece of evidence to indicate that shocking people into not doing X actually works.[/QUOTE] Except the number of smokers is decreasing sooooo, evidence is kind of against your statement there.

[QUOTE=Marbalo;39004851]Just like those ads that show the horrors of Meth and Cocaine abuse work, right? And that shit is considerably harder to get your hands on than cigarettes. I have not seen a single piece of evidence to indicate that shocking people into not doing X actually works.[/QUOTE] from what i've read, it tends to work well the first one or two times you're exposed to it. a desensitized audience is likely one to be unaffected by shock imagery, but your average consumer will probably take heed (especially if they are not exposed to sources like television and internet)

[QUOTE=Bobie;39004796]because of hundreds of societal factors that are mostly down to peer pressure and lack of education. pictures of what cigarettes can do to you is a good way to educate people on the risk factors[/QUOTE] Uhh, no, no they are not. People already know that smoking is bad for you. People already know it gives you cancer 'n shit. Putting tumors on cig packs is not going to get people to stop, it's not going to educate anyone, and it's not going to do anything more than gross some store patrons out. Also, peer pressure? Really?

I find random images of gore to be very annoying.

[QUOTE=TestECull;39005176]Uhh, no, no they are not. People already know that smoking is bad for you. People already know it gives you cancer 'n shit. Putting tumors on cig packs is not going to get people to stop, it's not going to educate anyone, and it's not going to do anything more than gross some store patrons out. Also, peer pressure? Really?[/QUOTE] people don't know smoking is bad for them. they think they do, but they don't. the people who already smoke and know the consequences are likely too addicted to stop. if you don't think peer pressure exists then you probably have no idea what peer pressure actually is.

[QUOTE=Bobie;39005254]people don't know smoking is bad for them. they think they do, but they don't. [B]the people who already smoke and know the consequences are likely too addicted to stop[/B]. if you don't think peer pressure exists then you probably have no idea what peer pressure actually is.[/QUOTE] The message is to help those too. "Pick up your free Quit Kit at a pharmacy", the NHS will give you anything you need to quit and they've made it easier to obtain from any pharmacy, which means no visits to any doctor or hospital and no waiting lists.

[QUOTE=Bobie;39005254]people don't know smoking is bad for them. they think they do, but they don't.[/quote] Yes, they do. Unless you think knowing that smoking gives you lung, throat, mouth and tongue cancer, along with numerous other painful diseases, ruins your voicebox, ruins your teeth and ruins your sense of smell "not knowing anything," If that is the case your train of logic runs on tracks laid by Bizzaroworld Railroad contractors, because people already know that smoking will kill you in any one of a thousand painful ways. [quote] if you don't think peer pressure exists then you probably have no idea what peer pressure actually is.[/QUOTE] Apparently you stayed home sick when your school covered context. Or maybe you haven't even gotten that far yet? I get the impression you're still in that 'naive' phase everyone goes through, and that means you're pretty young. Or possibly heavily sheltered. Possibly even both. There isn't much peer pressure to smoke anymore. Hasn't been for some time now. Matter of fact there's quite a bit [i]not[/i] to smoke. Most people start because either everyone else around them smokes and they get addicted to the nicotine before hand, or they somehow still think it makes them cool. The majority don't pick cigs up because their peers are trying to get them to smoke anymore.

[QUOTE=TestECull;39005643]Yes, they do. Unless you think knowing that smoking gives you lung, throat, mouth and tongue cancer, along with numerous other painful diseases, ruins your voicebox, ruins your teeth and ruins your sense of smell "not knowing anything," If that is the case your train of logic runs on tracks laid by Bizzaroworld Railroad contractors, because people already know that smoking will kill you in any one of a thousand painful ways. Apparently you stayed home sick when your school covered context. Or maybe you haven't even gotten that far yet? I get the impression you're still in that 'naive' phase everyone goes through, and that means you're pretty young. Or possibly heavily sheltered. Possibly even both. There isn't much peer pressure to smoke anymore. Hasn't been for some time now. Matter of fact there's quite a bit [I]not[/I] to smoke.[/QUOTE] lol here we go with the gcse psychology, "HEH U MUSTVE NOT BEEN IN SCHOOL WHEN I PULLED THESE 'FACTS' OUT OF MY ASS!" if there are no conditioned factors for smoking, why do people smoke? hm? if everybody knows that it will kill you and peer pressure miraculously [I]doesnt exist[/I], why on earth would there be such a high proportion of addicted smokers in the world.

[QUOTE=Bobie;39005667]lol here we go with the gcse psychology, "HEH U MUSTVE NOT BEEN IN SCHOOL WHEN I PULLED THESE 'FACTS' OUT OF MY ASS!"[/quote] Nice job backpedaling there.[quote] if there are no conditioned factors for smoking, why do people smoke? hm? if everybody knows that it will kill you and peer pressure miraculously [I]doesnt exist[/I], why on earth would there be such a high proportion of addicted smokers in the world.[/QUOTE] Most people start because either everyone else around them smokes and they get addicted to the nicotine before hand, or they somehow still think it makes them cool. The majority don't pick cigs up because their peers are trying to get them to smoke anymore.

[QUOTE=TestECull;39005676]Nice job backpedaling there. Most people start because either everyone else around them smokes and they get addicted to the nicotine before hand, or they somehow still think it makes them cool. The majority don't pick cigs up because their peers are trying to get them to smoke anymore.[/QUOTE] if everyone else around them is smoking and they start because of that that's peer pressure well at least i'm right on my original point. you don't know what peer pressure is, and you can't argue without ad hominem arguments filled with delusional rhetoric you're as bad as the guy in the last smoking debate thread who refuted 30 years of study with "blah blah science blah blah" lol

[QUOTE=Bobie;39005686]if everyone else around them is smoking and they start because of that that's peer pressure [/quote] No. You don't understand peer pressure. Someone picking it up because everyone around them starts does NOT mean they were pressured into it. It's quite possible to either A: See those people doing it, think it's cool, and start of one's own free will without any outside influences, B: get addicted to the nicotine before ever lighting up at all and taking them up to sate that addiction, or C: because that's what the grownups are doing and they want to act like the grownups. Peer pressure is only when their peers are actively encouraging them to smoke. [quote]well at least i'm right on my original point.[/quote] Nah you're just as wrong there too. [quote] you don't know what peer pressure is[/quote] That's you, comrade. I know plenty well what it is, having resisted it every second of my life past age 10 or so.

[QUOTE=TestECull;39005716]No. You don't understand peer pressure. Someone picking it up because everyone around them starts does NOT mean they were pressured into it. It's quite possible to either A: See those people doing it, think it's cool, and start of one's own free will without any outside influences, B: get addicted to the nicotine before ever lighting up at all and taking them up to sate that addiction, or C: because that's what the grownups are doing and they want to act like the grownups. Peer pressure is only when their peers are actively encouraging them to smoke. Nah you're just as wrong there too. That's you, comrade. I know plenty well what it is, having resisted it every second of my life past age 10 or so.[/QUOTE] since you've probably never opened a dictionary in your life [img]http://snag.gy/Jc9N0.jpg[/img] the conditioning of your environment is [i]everything[/i] you learn as voluntary processes. to even begin to suggest that you're void of this is 100% impossible. the bit about free will cracked me up as well (more delusional shit) here's a credible study done on the non-existence of free will. an overwhelming majority of neuroscientists have confirmed it [i]does not exist[/i] [url]http://pacherie.free.fr/COURS/MSC/Libet-JCS1999.pdf[/url] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroscience_of_free_will#Free_will_as_illusion[/url] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Libet#Implications_of_Libet.27s_experiments[/url] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Readiness_potential[/url] [url]http://www.informationphilosopher.com/freedom/history/[/url]

[QUOTE=Deamie;39003605]Not sure how much difference it will make I'm afraid. After all, smoking is still pretty 'cool' and that's not going to change anytime soon.[/QUOTE]At least where I live, even the popular crowd thinks of tobacco as retarded.

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Government makes too much money from it so they make these ads that they KNOW will do nothing as smokers are heavily addicted. I can only hope that they do work, my mum who is 51 is quitting soon for the new year, she's been unstable and I think she needs these ads to push her away from it. Severe depression doesn't help though. Oh, fun fact; smoking doesn't relax you, it's the deep breathes you take while smoking.

What about fast food and alcohol? Shouldn't similar campaigns be launched against those?