#DRAIN THE SWAMP!?: Main Villian of 2008 Crash nominated Secretary of Treasury!? - Polidicks

The only thing trickling down is bullshit. If someone didn't see this from lightyears away that this would happen with Trump as POTUS, must be deaf and blind. Guess the US in for George W. Bush 2: Trumpalistic boogalo.

[QUOTE=Coolboy;51451271]The only thing trickling down is bullshit. If someone didn't see this from lightyears away that this would happen with Trump as POTUS, must be deaf and blind. Guess the US in for George W. Bush + Ronald Reagan 2: Trumpalistic boogaloo.[/QUOTE] fixed well to be fair though desperation and a need to feel validated are the main reasons they voted for Trump, also Crooked Shillary didn't do jack to actually canvass for voters - all she did in her arrogance was target Trump because she thought (along with the rest of the idiots in the DNC) that it would be more than enough to win the election

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;51451264]Haha but you see at least we stuck it to those SJWs![/QUOTE] [video=youtube;CvYSPxvrq5s]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvYSPxvrq5s[/video] Move to 3:40 Identity politics, and wedge issues didn't nip this shit in the bud when it happened in 2008. OWS was a movement meant to create real change. Instead we focused on safe spaces, progressive stack and pronoun wars. Neither side is offering what swing voters want. There is a demand to fix shit but no supply. So of course a con man tapped into this. The only other person who was going offer something was Bernie, but we know how that turned out. My advice is for those on the left to learn how prioritize things. Sure gay marriage is nice but not suffering The Great Depression the Sequel where people are starving in the street due to some major corruption in government should be of more import. The first priority is focus on the working class and forget identity politics for a while. Clean up the democratic party and get quality candidates when the next round elections happens within two years. Actually be progressive instead of this wall street version of it. But hey what do I know? I am just some bigoted straight white cis scum who lives in poverty but should check his "privilege" who by my existence oppresses people and thus to help minorities should go jump off a cliff and should die in a fire. What the fuck do I know?

[QUOTE=PsycheClops;51451268]They didn't willingly vote toward this. They were promised something else and fell for the hook-line-and-sinker trick. If Trump promised this in his campaign, there wouldn't be as much willing votes.[/QUOTE] He did promise it in his campaign. Economists early on agreed that his plans would benefit the rich and wouldn't change shit for the poor. Bernie was saying it all along too. In fact, during the republican primaries, marco rubio and others were OBSESSED and FIXATED on a flat tax. You know, the tax where the homeless guy pays the same % as the millionaire.

[QUOTE=Guriosity;51451303][video=youtube;CvYSPxvrq5s]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvYSPxvrq5s[/video] Move to 3:40 Identity politics, and wedge issues didn't nip this shit in the bud when it happened in 2008. OWS was a movement meant to create real change. Instead we focused on safe spaces, progressive stack and pronoun wars. Neither side is offering what swing voters want. There is a demand to fix shit but no supply. So of course a con man tapped into this. The only other person who was going offer something was Bernie, but we know how that turned out. My advice is for those on the left to learn how prioritize things. Sure gay marriage is nice but not suffering The Great Depression the Sequel where people are starving in the street due to some major corruption in government should be of more import. The first priority is focus on the working class and forget identity politics for a while. Clean up the democratic party and get quality candidates when the next round elections happens within two years. Actually be progressive instead of this wall street version of it. But hey what do I know? I am just some bigoted straight white cis scum who lives in poverty but should check his "privilege" who by my existence oppresses people and thus to help minorities should go jump off a cliff and should die in a fire. What the fuck do I know?[/QUOTE] hey guess what trans people didn't cause the economic collapse in 2008 and they wont cause the inevetable economic collapse in 2017

[QUOTE=1legmidget;51451046]I think most people generally agree that our tax system is far too complicated. The real question is how to effectively and fairly tax people and businesses in a way that maintains the infrastructure everyone relies on. I remain unconvinced Mnuchin and Trump's plan will accomplish this.[/QUOTE] obviously the solution is cut taxes for everybody especially the wealthiest since theyll go out and buy roads and give everybody jobs. I for one look forward to the gutting of our social welfare programs and safety nets so as to remind everybody when these morons crash everything that coservatives have been full of shit on the economy for decades now

It was nice knowing you America.

[QUOTE=Guriosity;51451303][video=youtube;CvYSPxvrq5s]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvYSPxvrq5s[/video] Move to 3:40 Identity politics, and wedge issues didn't nip this shit in the bud when it happened in 2008. OWS was a movement meant to create real change. Instead we focused on safe spaces, progressive stack and pronoun wars. Neither side is offering what swing voters want. There is a demand to fix shit but no supply. So of course a con man tapped into this. The only other person who was going offer something was Bernie, but we know how that turned out. My advice is for those on the left to learn how prioritize things. Sure gay marriage is nice but not suffering The Great Depression the Sequel where people are starving in the street due to some major corruption in government should be of more import. The first priority is focus on the working class and forget identity politics for a while. Clean up the democratic party and get quality candidates when the next round elections happens within two years. Actually be progressive instead of this wall street version of it. [B]But hey what do I know? I am just some bigoted straight white cis scum who lives in poverty but should check his "privilege" who by my existence oppresses people and thus to help minorities should go jump off a cliff and should die in a fire. What the fuck do I know?[/B][/QUOTE] Amusing of you to act like those you berate. And again, both are important. Bernie had more radical solutions than hillary regarding both social justice and economc inequality and garnered a peculiar amount of support because of it. You don't have to forget social justice while dealing with economic inequality. This mindset is overall just incredibly reductionist tbh about what is really happening in politics [sp]also lol, internetaristocrat as an argumentative source. I love him because he's funny but wow.[/sp]

We have less socioeconomic mobility than [I]during[/I] the Great Depression. The height of it. We're past that. Young people are in incredible debt that [I]cannot legally be expunged[/I] through bankruptcy. The wealth is more highly concentrated among the top few thousand Americans than when Rockefeller was around. We are incredibly well poised for a second Great Depression, and Trump is sitting there waiting to be our Herbert Hoover.

[QUOTE=Judas;51451387]hey guess what trans people didn't cause the economic collapse in 2008 and they wont cause the inevetable economic collapse in 2017[/QUOTE] I don't know what he meant, but a thought I've been coming to more and more is that maybe the left has been putting too much efforts behind the "wrong" issues in the economic turmoil of the times we're in. LGBT issues are very important, but the working class apparently doesn't see themselves represented by them anymore, there needs to be a focus on jobs and the economy and the wealth gap, not just lip service. Now I'm not saying focusing on those issues was bad or wrong, I support those issues, but just seeing politics as the game that everyone that is in it, plays it as, maybe the left lost sight of pitching policies for the middle class who needed it. [editline]30th November 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=.Isak.;51451423]We have less socioeconomic mobility than [I]during[/I] the Great Depression. The height of it. We're past that. Young people are in incredible debt that [I]cannot legally be expunged[/I] through bankruptcy. The wealth is more highly concentrated among the top few thousand Americans than when Rockefeller was around. We are incredibly well poised for a second Great Depression, and Trump is sitting there waiting to be our Herbert Hoover.[/QUOTE] that is just such a terrifying concept and I'm not surprised that it doesn't shock people into action anymore. it really should.

[QUOTE=Guriosity;51451303][video=youtube;CvYSPxvrq5s]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvYSPxvrq5s[/video] Move to 3:40 Identity politics, and wedge issues didn't nip this shit in the bud when it happened in 2008. OWS was a movement meant to create real change. Instead we focused on safe spaces, progressive stack and pronoun wars. Neither side is offering what swing voters want. There is a demand to fix shit but no supply. So of course a con man tapped into this. The only other person who was going offer something was Bernie, but we know how that turned out. My advice is for those on the left to learn how prioritize things. Sure gay marriage is nice but not suffering The Great Depression the Sequel where people are starving in the street due to some major corruption in government should be of more import. The first priority is focus on the working class and forget identity politics for a while. Clean up the democratic party and get quality candidates when the next round elections happens within two years. Actually be progressive instead of this wall street version of it. But hey what do I know? I am just some bigoted straight white cis scum who lives in poverty but should check his "privilege" who by my existence oppresses people and thus to help minorities should go jump off a cliff and should die in a fire. What the fuck do I know?[/QUOTE] But apparently it's fine to be a single issue voter in regards to guns, abortion, gay marriage, etc? The way I see it the left has a tiny tiny amount of people who do this shit and the right has a SHIT ton, but it's apparently not ok to point that out.

[QUOTE=Guriosity;51451303][video=youtube;CvYSPxvrq5s]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvYSPxvrq5s[/video] Move to 3:40 Identity politics, and wedge issues didn't nip this shit in the bud when it happened in 2008. OWS was a movement meant to create real change. Instead we focused on safe spaces, progressive stack and pronoun wars. Neither side is offering what swing voters want. There is a demand to fix shit but no supply. So of course a con man tapped into this. The only other person who was going offer something was Bernie, but we know how that turned out. My advice is for those on the left to learn how prioritize things. Sure gay marriage is nice but not suffering The Great Depression the Sequel where people are starving in the street due to some major corruption in government should be of more import. The first priority is focus on the working class and forget identity politics for a while. Clean up the democratic party and get quality candidates when the next round elections happens within two years. Actually be progressive instead of this wall street version of it. But hey what do I know? I am just some bigoted straight white cis scum who lives in poverty but should check his "privilege" who by my existence oppresses people and thus to help minorities should go jump off a cliff and should die in a fire. What the fuck do I know?[/QUOTE] also I just want you to know that I hate how you immediatley throw lgbt people under the bus the moment you don't get your way, like the fairweather friends liberals always are and always have been

[QUOTE=Guriosity;51451303] But hey what do I know? I am just some bigoted straight white cis scum who lives in poverty but should check his "privilege" who by my existence oppresses people and thus to help minorities should go jump off a cliff and should die in a fire. What the fuck do I know?[/QUOTE] jesus. i love how when the KKK and shit is brought up on FP the reply is "ITS JUST A FRINGE" but everyone loves to talk about the extremist left and how it represents the whole democratic party, apparently

The [I]main villain[/I]? Is this Daily Mail? I don't recall much about this dude but I'd hesitate to write him off for taking advantage of the housing crisis.

[QUOTE=Chonch;51451701]The [I]main villain[/I]? Is this Daily Mail? I don't recall much about this dude but I'd hesitate to write him off for taking advantage of the housing crisis.[/QUOTE] This guy pushed policies that caused the crash in 2008

[QUOTE=OmniConsUme;51451709]This guy pushed policies that caused the crash in 2008[/QUOTE] A lot of people pushed the policies. Do we blame them? Do we blame the economists who suggested the policies? Do we blame the sweaty interns who drafted the policies? Do we blame the politicians who implemented the policies? It seems like every month there's a new perpetrator behind the crisis to crucify. I don't know what to believe. [editline]30th November 2016[/editline] There's not even a clear consensus on what phenomena caused the crash in '08. MBS, loose lending, SEC and Fed oversight, what have you. For all we know it could have been cyclical.

[QUOTE=Chonch;51451752]A lot of people pushed the policies. Do we blame them? Do we blame the economists who suggested the policies? Do we blame the sweaty interns who drafted the policies? Do we blame the politicians who implemented the policies? It seems like every month there's a new perpetrator behind the crisis to crucify. I don't know what to believe. [editline]30th November 2016[/editline] There's not even a clear consensus on what phenomena caused the crash in '08. MBS, loose lending, SEC and Fed oversight, what have you. For all we know it could have been cyclical.[/QUOTE] Except for, you know, all the economists who kept saying "yo, if you don't fix shit we're going to have a huge crash so quit being retarded!" to which those in charge replied "no way, lol."

I'm sorry, I don't mean to snap. I wanted Carl Icahn instead.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51451433]I don't know what he meant, but a thought I've been coming to more and more is that maybe the left has been putting too much efforts behind the "wrong" issues in the economic turmoil of the times we're in. LGBT issues are very important, but the working class apparently doesn't see themselves represented by them anymore, there needs to be a focus on jobs and the economy and the wealth gap, not just lip service. Now I'm not saying focusing on those issues was bad or wrong, I support those issues, but just seeing politics as the game that everyone that is in it, plays it as, maybe the left lost sight of pitching policies for the middle class who needed it.[/QUOTE] This is exactly what Bernie Sanders was talking about when he said it's time for the Democratic Party to end the era of identity politics, and it's exactly what a lot of pundits have been saying to explain the election. Gay rights, sexism in the workplace, and racial injustice are all real issues, but when a white guy in Kansas asks how Democrats are going to fix the longstanding economic stagnation in his region and their response is essentially that he's a privileged white male so not a priority, he's not going to vote for them. It doesn't matter whether the issues he faces are actually more or less severe than the ones faced by those marginalized groups- it's hard to sympathize with problems you've never experienced while you struggle to pay the bills and feed your family. The Democrats put social issues front and center when a large portion of America is primarily concerned about the economy, and it bit them hard. The liberal upper-class that drives the Democratic Party is woefully out of touch with the American people, and it remains to be seen whether they'll learn from this.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51451433]I don't know what he meant, but a thought I've been coming to more and more is that maybe the left has been putting too much efforts behind the "wrong" issues in the economic turmoil of the times we're in. LGBT issues are very important, but the working class apparently doesn't see themselves represented by them anymore, there needs to be a focus on jobs and the economy and the wealth gap, not just lip service. Now I'm not saying focusing on those issues was bad or wrong, I support those issues, but just seeing politics as the game that everyone that is in it, plays it as, maybe the left lost sight of pitching policies for the middle class who needed it. [/QUOTE] I think its because in 2008 Obama also tapped into that middle class anger, he campaigned in the mid west and Rust Belt states but ultimately did not achieve much for them and now its turned against the Democrats. As much as the ACA did for the lowest income group, it raised costs for the working and middle classes and even brought down their coverage and the costs only continue to go up, penalty and premiums alike. A consequence of the ACA was that it used up all of Obama's political capital, even some of his own party went against it. After that he was on fumes, houses were still stuck in a perpetual state of zombie foreclosure and others were on the way. Business now are still closing down. Jobs are still being outsourced, higher education continues to rise in costs. Just because some local economies are good in some areas doesn't mean its good all over the nation, before you or anyone else say anything about 'local bias'. Some communities may traditionally have strong economies because they have goods and services that can't be outsourced. Newark is a cesspit but Ironbound is packed full of portuguese mom and pop shops and has one of the strongest economies in the city despite how low Newark has fallen and continues to fall. There are many factors for why some economies may be strong and its not simply because 'its getting better'. The time was not right for healthcare reform when he took office, not when he still had some of his own fighting him and big pharma lobbying against him. The public awareness, let alone demand, for universal healthcare was not what it is now. We should've looked at other goals first. Subsidize/cover the cost of community colleges and 2 year institutions so both youth and adults can get training without worrying about debt. Youth don't have to worry about ludicrous debt for their first two years and adults who lost jobs to outsourcing can get training in new fields. The less debt citizens worry about is more money that can be spent and circulate in our economy, more houses that can be bought and filled and goods that can be purchased. Welfare reform, instead of expanding and creating new programs we should've consolidated unemployment, food stamps, WIC, and social security into one program to provide supplemental income for everyone at different rates depending on circumstances. Nixon laid that foundation long ago, supplemental income exists for only for the disabled as it exists. It's completely pointless to make up a dozen different welfare programs to fight poverty if they're made difficult to go through and wealth inequality still continues to go up. He jumped on the green energy bandwagon too late, he should've tried to get congress to do infrastructure spending early for jobs and invest in new energy sources. Social justice and fighting for the civil rights of the LGBT community is a noble cause, [I]it really is[/I]! But for the people in the Appalachians struggling for work or the households with both parents working the last thing on their mind is the latest social justice movement, they are too busy thinking about how to make ends meet. It's completely natural for people to tend to their own survival and the survival of their family first before anything else but all that was completely ignored and Trump preyed on it. For the love of god the top 1% actually got wealthier under Obama than they ever did under Bush; [URL]http://eml.berkeley.edu/~saez/saez-UStopincomes-2010.pdf[/URL] He was so invested in some fraudulent attempt at universal coverage he lost his leverage over the banks and had no influence left to do anything. [quote] [editline]30th November 2016[/editline] that is just such a terrifying concept and I'm not surprised that it doesn't shock people into action anymore. it really should.[/quote] I should call my grandfather and ask him what living through the Great Depression was like so I know what to expect.

This should surprise no one considering Trump said the 2008 recession was great for business.

Swamp is overflowing, abort the presidency!

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51451077]So basically, what Trump supporters was worried Clinton would do... ... is what Trump is doing. I'd find this hilariously ironic if it wasn't so sad.[/QUOTE] The anti establishment candidate appoints the establishment. Trump supportors I have talked to don't have a comment on this yet. Which is equally as worrying

[QUOTE=Code3Response;51452053]The anti establishment candidate appoints the establishment. Trump supportors I have talked to don't have a comment on this yet. Which is equally as worrying[/QUOTE] Because whether they'll admit it or not this is what they wanted to happen. They wanted someone who would go back to Reaganomics. They wanted someone who was for big business because that's supposedly good for the economy. Many of them do want to return to the 80s. And that's what's going to screw them.

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51452087]Because whether they'll admit it or not this is what they wanted to happen. They wanted someone who would go back to Reaganomics. They wanted someone who was for big business because that's supposedly good for the economy. Many of them do want to return to the 80s. And that's what's going to screw them.[/QUOTE] I dont understand why on earth anyone would want that

[QUOTE=Judas;51452193]I dont understand why on earth anyone would want that[/QUOTE] All those jobs and monopoly money that doesn't exist any more gotta come back to America

[QUOTE=Judas;51452193]I dont understand why on earth anyone would want that[/QUOTE] historical revisionism

[QUOTE=Code3Response;51452053]The anti establishment candidate appoints the establishment. Trump supportors I have talked to don't have a comment on this yet. Which is equally as worrying[/QUOTE] Because you're using establishment to mean private sector people, when people who support Trump view politicians as the establishment, not the private sector. In their eyes, this makes perfect sense if you're trying to not use career politicians.

Are people really expecting that Trump would choose a left hippy economist as Secretary of Treasury?

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;51452255]Because you're using establishment to mean private sector people, when people who support Trump view politicians as the establishment, not the private sector. In their eyes, this makes perfect sense if you're trying to not use career politicians.[/QUOTE] But that's the problem. The establishment is BOTH career politicians and private sector billionaires. The private sector lobbies the government all the time.