#DRAIN THE SWAMP!?: Main Villian of 2008 Crash nominated Secretary of Treasury!? - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Dr.C;51451190]Somehow that red hat managed to convince people that came from nothing, lived as nothing and will die as nothing that a man who has always lived in luxury and currently lives in the gold encrusted penthouse of a skyscraper he owns really empathizes with the poor and cares about them[/QUOTE] Remember his "I'm just like you!" stunt where he uploaded a pic of himself eating KFC [I]in his private jet[/I]? And with a knife and fork, no less! [QUOTE=LtKyle2;51451970] I should call my grandfather and ask him what living through the Great Depression was like so I know what to expect.[/QUOTE] I remember the stories my great-grandmother told me about living during the depression. As long as you have farmland and livestock to slaughter you'll be "okay". [QUOTE=PsycheClops;51451268]They didn't willingly vote toward this. They were promised something else and fell for the hook-line-and-sinker trick. If Trump promised this in his campaign, there wouldn't be as much willing votes.[/QUOTE] But he DID promise stuff like this in his campaign. He stated he was going to get rid of things like the Estate Tax, which only affects the wealthy to begin with, for starters.

[QUOTE=Chaitin;51452263]Are people really expecting that Trump would choose a left hippy economist as Secretary of Treasury?[/QUOTE] It's not the wing, it's just that he talks so much trash about the "establishment" and then keeps giving the establishment jobs in his administration.

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51452271]But that's the problem. The establishment is BOTH career politicians and private sector billionaires. The private sector lobbies the government all the time.[/QUOTE] That all depends on your context.

[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;51451036]Yeah and my dog will throw up diamonds before tax cuts will make any growth happen.[/QUOTE] Oh but there will be growth: the rich will get richer, at our expense lol. Congrats to the people who voted for this fucktard. Glad you'll all be caught in the same boat as the rest of us.

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;51452292]It's not the wing, it's just that he talks so much trash about the "establishment" and then keeps giving the establishment jobs in his administration.[/QUOTE] Trump was [I]never[/I] anti-establishment. He was anti-government-establishment. Steve Mnuchin is, by definition, a member of the investment banking establishment, [I]but he's never worked in government[/I]. Wilbur Ross is a billionaire investor and banker, ditto. The funny thing is he can't even handle being anti-government-establishment. Jeff Sessions has been an incumbent for 20 years. His Health and Human Services Secretary has been in politics for 20 years. His Transportation Secretary is married to Mitch McConnell and was Bush's Labor Secretary. The [I]only[/I] person in his cabinet who is definitively anti-establishment is Stephen Bannon.

[QUOTE=Alice3173;51451768]Except for, you know, all the economists who kept saying "yo, if you don't fix shit we're going to have a huge crash so quit being retarded!" to which those in charge replied "no way, lol."[/QUOTE] America is tired of experts

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;51452255]Because you're using establishment to mean private sector people, when people who support Trump view politicians as the establishment, not the private sector. In their eyes, this makes perfect sense if you're trying to not use career politicians.[/QUOTE] no, he ran against these people too. [media]https://twitter.com/michaelschwab13/status/804081144857759744[/media]

[QUOTE=Chonch;51451752]A lot of people pushed the policies. Do we blame them? Do we blame the economists who suggested the policies? Do we blame the sweaty interns who drafted the policies? Do we blame the politicians who implemented the policies? It seems like every month there's a new perpetrator behind the crisis to crucify. I don't know what to believe. [editline]30th November 2016[/editline] There's not even a clear consensus on what phenomena caused the crash in '08. MBS, loose lending, SEC and Fed oversight, what have you. For all we know it could have been cyclical.[/QUOTE] Economist and anyone with common sense knew it was coming. Even my parents who worked in the housing industry saw it coming. Its the banks that completely ignored the plea and kept giving short term house loans. The ironic part is that said parents hate the banks that did the crash, and they completely support trump, ayyyyy lmao.

Trump voters shouldn't be surprised. They've always voted with their feelings and not with facts. American culture tends to take pride in ignorance.

2016 has been really good

[QUOTE=BusinessRed;51452544]Trump voters shouldn't be surprised. They've always voted with their feelings and not with facts. American culture tends to take pride in ignorance.[/QUOTE] I don't know if it's just helpless stupidity so much as it is a general intellectual laziness (that irritating human tendency to not consider facts that aren't immediately relevant), but basically yeah. You look and listen to your average voter in one of those two-minute interviews that occasionally pops up (like the ones the Daily Show will do occasionally), and suddenly it becomes really obvious why our country and our society (and government by extension) is as fucked up as it is. It at the very least [i]functions[/i], but it doesn't function well. We could and should be doing better with ourselves. Sometimes I wonder if we don't invite this kind of shit on ourselves. I mean, we clearly do to some extent-- a lot of people voted for Trump for example-- but what I mean is I wonder if we don't deserve to suffer it? We don't seem to learn from our past mistakes and from history, for whatever reason.

[QUOTE=Govna;51452654]I don't know if it's just helpless stupidity so much as it is a general intellectual laziness (that irritating human tendency to not consider facts that aren't immediately relevant), but basically yeah. You look and listen to your average voter in one of those two-minute interviews that occasionally pops up (like the ones the Daily Show will do occasionally), and suddenly it becomes really obvious why our country and our society (and government by extension) is as fucked up as it is. It at the very least [i]functions[/i], but it doesn't function well. We could and should be doing better with ourselves. Sometimes I wonder if we don't invite this kind of shit on ourselves. I mean, we clearly do to some extent-- a lot of people voted for Trump for example-- but what I mean is I wonder if we don't deserve to suffer it? We don't seem to learn from our past mistakes and from history, for whatever reason.[/QUOTE] There's also a ridiculous amount of anti-intellectualism in the US. The bit BusinessRed said about American culture taking pride in ignorance, for example, is in a completely absurdly common occurrence in my personal experience.

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;51452255]Because you're using establishment to mean private sector people, when people who support Trump view politicians as the establishment, not the private sector. In their eyes, this makes perfect sense if you're trying to not use career politicians.[/QUOTE] He attacked both on the campaign trail.

Days like this make me long for another French Revolution, kickstarted by an intense and overpowering repeat of Bastille Day. It'd be violent and horrifying, yes, but when politics and diplomacy fail, sometimes the alternatives are limited and less "kosher" than most would find palatable.

[QUOTE=ironman17;51452883]Days like this make me long for another French Revolution, kickstarted by an intense and overpowering repeat of Bastille Day. It'd be violent and horrifying, yes, but when politics and diplomacy fail, sometimes the alternatives are limited and less "kosher" than most would find palatable.[/QUOTE] Here we go again...

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;51451264]Haha but you see at least we stuck it to those SJWs![/QUOTE] Trump won because he was able to reach poorer lower-class voters in the rust belt who were disenfranchised over time by the economy. I guarantee you that Trump supporter Joe Schmo living in Flint, MI has never heard of "SJWs" and didn't even consider Tumblr when casting his vote.

[QUOTE=TornadoAP;51452973]Here we go again...[/QUOTE] Revolutions are rarely bloodless

[QUOTE=ironman17;51452883]Days like this make me long for another French Revolution, kickstarted by an intense and overpowering repeat of Bastille Day. It'd be violent and horrifying, yes, but when politics and diplomacy fail, sometimes the alternatives are limited and less "kosher" than most would find palatable.[/QUOTE] Yeah no thanks I'd rather not have another Reign of Terror and millions dead from internecine warfare.

[QUOTE=.Isak.;51451423]We have less socioeconomic mobility than [I]during[/I] the Great Depression. The height of it. We're past that. Young people are in incredible debt that [I]cannot legally be expunged[/I] through bankruptcy. The wealth is more highly concentrated among the top few thousand Americans than when Rockefeller was around. We are incredibly well poised for a second Great Depression, and Trump is sitting there waiting to be our Herbert Hoover.[/QUOTE] That's an insult to Herbert Hoover. He was everything Trump wishes he was. Hoover was born to a small family where his father was a blacksmith and was orphaned at a young age, he actually worked hard to go to school and become an engineer. In World War I he led humanitarian efforts in Belgium to provide food, clothing and aid and was directing a relief organization to help millions during the war. It was his first step into the public life and the likes of Woodrow Wilson and even FDR at the time praised him as a possible presidential candidate at the end of the war. He was not directly elected to office before becoming President but was appointed Secretary of Commerce, Head of the FDA, , and directed the National Institute of Standards and Technology. [B]It was thanks to Hoover we can enjoy indoor plumbing as a standard of living and expect it to be installed in every house[I].[/I][/B] The first national building code was nicknamed the 'Hoover Code' because of his efforts to pass it through. Before that, indoor plumbing was for the rich and wealthy. The trade was chaotic and every plumber had different practices. The first code established standards everyone had to follow. It wasn't just plumbing either, it was all building trades in general. The rest of the world followed soon after and established their own codes based on the Hoover Code. In the FDA he established nutrition guidelines in response to the requests from teachers that flooded the organization. He believed in voluntarism and not relying on bureaucrats and yet millions of Americans followed the FDA's advice on food consumption under his watch and Americans started conserving food. The man used government to support standardization, he despised greedy corporations but disliked a overreaching government. He supported the Bull Moose party in its regulation. [I]He was the person who started the political idea of appointing experts to departments related to their industries.[/I] He established the efficiency movement to eliminate waste and bureaucracy from government. Now onto the Great Depression, oh boy because was he ever a scapegoat. He inherited the god damn Great Depression from Coolidge. He started public works projects like the Hoover Dam. [I]He raised taxes on the bloody rich multiple times[/I], with the highest percentile taxed at 63%. He continuously called on companies to not cut wages or lay off workers. Calvin Coolidge laid the policies that paved the way to the stock market crash. He deregulated the economy to where there may as well have been no federal government at all. Ronald Reagan of all people idolized the man. He passed on the oncoming Depression to Hoover just like how Clinton passed on the oncoming Recession to Bush, and Hoover became the scapegoat in the years to come. Lastly, and ironically enough, FDR attacked Hoover in the 1932 election of reckless spending and trying to control everything from Washington then continued to do the same thing himself. Hoover believed in balanced budgets and was unwilling to do deficit spending which would lead to a snowball effect that we see today. Even FDR's own advisers admitted the New Deal was based on Hoover policies. [quote]When we all burst into Washington . . . we found every essential idea [of the New Deal] enacted in the 100-day Congress in the Hoover administration itself. The essentials of the NRA [National Recovery Administration], the PWA [Public Works Administration], the emergency relief setup were all there. Even the AAA [Agricultural Adjustment Act] was known to the Department of Agriculture. Only the TVA [Tennessee Valley Authority] and the Securities Act was [sic] drawn from other sources. The RFC [Reconstruction Finance Corporation], probably the greatest recovery agency, was of course a Hoover measure, passed long before the inauguration.15[/quote] [URL]http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/HooversEconomicPolicies.html[/URL] It's a modern myth fabricated by historians and modern education to paint him as some defender of laissez-faire economics when he was anything but that. Calvin Coolidge fits that mold. Hoover ended up being some scapegoat used by the Democrats in the following years and never bothered to retaliate, he simply spent the rest of his life fishing or going off on random road trips in his car around the country that was ungrateful of his efforts. Obama of all people could relate to the man, he was handed the recession in the same way Hoover was handed the depression.

[QUOTE=Corndog Ninja;51453014]Trump won because he was able to reach poorer lower-class voters in the rust belt who were disenfranchised over time by the economy. I guarantee you that Trump supporter Joe Schmo living in Flint, MI has never heard of "SJWs" and didn't even consider Tumblr when casting his vote.[/QUOTE] Yeah but I'm not talking about them, just like how the real world hardly talks about SJWs, im not talking about the bulk of Trump supporters. I live on the internet so r/the_donald types are the ones with whom I interact with. I mean I literally post all the time that no, identity politics are not why Donald Trump won lol.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51453030]Revolutions are rarely bloodless[/QUOTE] That's not what I was referring to?

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51453030]Revolutions are rarely bloodless[/QUOTE] Is that supposed to be a double negative?

[QUOTE=Code3Response;51452053]The anti establishment candidate appoints the establishment. Trump supportors I have talked to don't have a comment on this yet. Which is equally as worrying[/QUOTE] its almost as if they didn't really care what trump does or has done as long as he does something

This Just In! Corrupt Businessman elected to root out corrupt businessmen and politicians, voters surprised when he brings in other corrupt businessmen to help him make things better for other corrupt businessmen! The Average Conservative Voter Conned Again, tonight at Eleven!

[QUOTE=OmniConsUme;51451047]We're sliding fast into oligarchy[/QUOTE] Sliding?