$3.5 Trillion Spending Plan Approved by Congress with zero Republican support - Polidicks

they're going to devalue the US dollar

[QUOTE=thisispain;14465712]Please, the Republican party is in shambles.[/QUOTE] They are regrouping slowly while the media's turning its back. Whenever they get a prominent leader (or any leader for that matter) then the media's gonna start paying attention. Apparently a ton of folks have organized for a massive "tea party" to occur in cities all over the U.S. on April 15, just to get the media's attention. This will be interesting to watch unfold.

Hmmm, people still believe in the Republican or Democrat party. Guess we're going to need to revisit eugenics.

[QUOTE=Wolf_Marine;14466392]They are regrouping slowly while the media's turning its back. Whenever they get a prominent leader (or any leader for that matter) then the media's gonna start paying attention. Apparently a ton of folks have organized for a massive "tea party" to occur in cities all over the U.S. on April 15, just to get the media's attention. This will be interesting to watch unfold.[/QUOTE] Like who, that fat piece of shit Rush Limbaugh? If they gave him any kind of real leadership role he'd just drive more and more voters away with his bullshit.

I want to see the goddamn list, Wolf.

[QUOTE=Wolf_Marine;14466392]They are regrouping slowly while the media's turning its back. Whenever they get a prominent leader (or any leader for that matter) then the media's gonna start paying attention. Apparently a ton of folks have organized for a massive "tea party" to occur in cities all over the U.S. on April 15, just to get the media's attention. This will be interesting to watch unfold.[/QUOTE] Tea party? They need a leader, and none of the prominent Republicans right now are anywhere close to being able to capture the undecided voter.

[QUOTE=D-Fens;14466786]Like who, that fat piece of shit Rush Limbaugh? If they gave him any kind of real leadership role he'd just drive more and more voters away with his bullshit.[/QUOTE] He's not a leader. Just a Red Herring for MSNBC.

[QUOTE=Lankist;14466795]I want to see the goddamn list, Wolf.[/QUOTE] omg he promised not to be a socialist thats all you need to know!!!!

[QUOTE=Game of Life;14466964]He's not a leader. Just a Red Herring for MSNBC.[/QUOTE] I certainly hope so, I can't stomach the idea of that douchebag having any real power.

[QUOTE=Wolf_Marine;14462178]It is known (or should be) that the U.S. economy really broke out of the depression due to World War II.[/QUOTE] This is only partially true. America did break out of the depression due to World War II, but not because of military spending. What broke America out of the depression is that World War II resulted in the destruction of the infrastructure of virtually every industrial nation in the world [i]except[/i] America. Our industries were intact. Oh, and America built and sold quite a large portion of the arms used to fight World War II (the guns we sold to ourselves wouldn't have a positive effect on our economy, though the guns we sold to everybody else would). If you believe that American military spending can improve the American economy, then you should also believe that public works programs can do the same, as they're basically the same thing (Government raising money through taxes or loans, which is then spent on things built by American workers and companies).

[QUOTE=Dr Magnusson;14461679]while the democrat fanboys just followed their shepherd like a bunch of sheep.[/QUOTE] The Republicans are any better? Please...

Whatever happened to Classic Liberalism? :(

I like the part were we spend money we don't have.

i fail to see how spending trillions is going to help us at this point

[QUOTE=Wolf_Marine;14462345]You'd be so surprised how hard it is to find exact numbers anywhere, everyone is so keen on using only percentages instead of real numbers. [url=http://budget.senate.gov/democratic/charts/2007/FS_Debt%20Limit092707.pdf]The total spending on the Iraq war was only $567 billion[/url] so I'm curious as to what planet your numbers just landed from. Obama in 3 months now has somewhere around $6.5 trillion in debt. If Obama can't cut this massive debt by at least half by the end of the year, the Republicans will have some handy firepower against him in the next election.[/QUOTE] Wiki says the US spends 651 Billion USD a year (Information as of 2009) On the Military, The EU half that, and China 70Bil, Those are the top 3, Not sure if that Includes the War in Afghanistan or Iraq, probably doesn't But I'm not sure The Dow is up for a 4th week in a Row, It's gone up about 24% in a Month, so as far as I'm concerned whatever Obama is doing, it's having some sort of positive effect, at least for now, Hopefully he'll be able to Cut our deficit down somewhere along the lines near the end of his term, at this rate, it definitely won't, but he JUST got into office, he's been Sprinting full speed ahead ever since, and He's only been in office 3 months

[QUOTE=massn7;14468684]i fail to see how spending trillions is going to help us at this point[/QUOTE] let your imagination run wild

[QUOTE=Wolf_Marine;14462178]Democrats thought F.D.R. didn't spend enough in the Great Depression, and they think that Obama isn't nearly spending enough. The jury is still out on whether F.D.R. helped prolong the depression or not. It is known (or should be) that the U.S. economy really broke out of the depression due to World War II. The philosophy the Democrats are using is that you gotta spend your way out of a recession. Republicans have been either arguing completely against this or are arguing that what you spend on is a hell of a lot more important than reckless spending. Everyone's also been acting like this is a complete surprise, but when you read back on history even back to the Fair Housing Act from Jimmy Carter (which did nothing until it gained a huge boost by Bill Clinton,) this recession shouldn't have been a surprise to anyone. We were long overdue for one anyways.[/QUOTE] In a way, you do need to spend your way out of a recession. You need to pay to keep your infrastructure up while you fix the problem. And of course republicans have a problem with it. THey [I]always[/I] have problem with it. And we sat here and argued about it until it was resolved(IE: never) then it wouldn't matter who was right. Yes, this causes debt, but the thing is that we can eventually pay that back if we have our infrastructure in tact. If we don't the world is just fucked.

[QUOTE=massn7;14468684]i fail to see how spending trillions is going to help us at this point[/QUOTE] That's because you don't know anything and Jesus hates you.

[QUOTE=Endzone;14469601]In a way, you do need to spend your way out of a recession. You need to pay to keep your infrastructure up while you fix the problem. And of course republicans have a problem with it. THey [I]always[/I] have problem with it. And we sat here and argued about it until it was resolved(IE: never) then it wouldn't matter who was right. Yes, this causes debt, but the thing is that we can eventually pay that back if we have our infrastructure in tact. If we don't the world is just fucked.[/QUOTE] That's a valid point. Our infrastructure is lacking pretty bad right now, compared to much of the world, and upgrading it will employ people. If we can help ourselves out of this recession AND accomplish some much-needed public infrastructure overhauls, so much the better. It's a scary amount of deficit, but it can eventually be paid down. As for the Republicans, they've decided as a group that they aren't going to vote for ANYTHING the Democrats want. The Democrats can make all the concessions and compromises they want, they're not going to get any votes. So, IMO, fuck the Republicans. If they don't want to play, the Democrats will run the show unopposed.

The problem with the nature of political parties right now is nobody cares what happens, they just want to fight each other and say "im right, ur wrong, GTFO!" I'm rather happy with the Obama administration and the status of Congress right now, but I'm terribly disappointed in the millions of Americans purely against everything one party says, be it Democratic or Republican, just because they're the other party - not for the actual quality of the decisions.

[QUOTE=D-Fens;14469715]That's a valid point. Our infrastructure is lacking pretty bad right now, compared to much of the world, and upgrading it will employ people. If we can help ourselves out of this recession AND accomplish some much-needed public infrastructure overhauls, so much the better. It's a scary amount of deficit, but it can eventually be paid down. As for the Republicans, they've decided as a group that they aren't going to vote for ANYTHING the Democrats want. The Democrats can make all the concessions and compromises they want, they're not going to get any votes. So, IMO, fuck the Republicans. If they don't want to play, the Democrats will run the show unopposed.[/QUOTE] Whoever wins, we lose.

It would be fucking awesome if the Libertarian party replaced the Republican party the way the Republican party replaced the Whigs. Doubt it'll happen, though.

[QUOTE=D-Fens;14455959]The Republicans are never going to agree with the Democrats on anything, that's just how it is. The Democrats have to pass everything without a Republican vote or it's not going to pass. Hardly unexpected. Otherwise, I'm thrilled about reform for healthcare and education. If this is what it takes to fix some of the shit that's wrong with the country, so be it. It certainly beats the Republican's "alternative" which consisted entirely of just doing nothing (except for actively taking about what the Democrats have accomplished). The Republicans had a chance to weigh in with intelligent debate, but they decided to hawk the same tired old rhetoric and bullshit and everyone ignored them as such.[/QUOTE] Enjoy the new health care until they deny your dying elders (Senior citizens) health care because they are no longer valuable assets to society. Also New World Order here we come!

[QUOTE=CobraZero;14473114]Enjoy the new health care until they deny your dying elders (Senior citizens) health care because they are no longer valuable assets to society. Also New World Order here we come![/QUOTE] Uh...what?

Hmm, yes, let us work together with the people that have been ruining this country. Excellent idea.

Guys, the deficit is a year to year thing. There is no way to tell whether or not he will actually do it yet. He is hiking up the debt but I guess the logic behind it is that it will create taxable wealth after freeing up some credit. Deficit is now about a trillion dollars. If he scales down military spending, raises taxes (unavoidable, sorry it was bound to happen after 911 bush just put it off), and refines the healthcare system, Deficit is about 300 billion. Half of Bush's deficit. DONE HA

domestic spending and infrastructure renewal sounds like.... socilaism...

ADDITION: It's not Obama's fault that all this useless spending is stuck in the bill. It's loaded down with pork by congress. It's about the same number in terms of spending as obama's plan but its not the same stuff. Which is bullshit. Congress sucks. The democratic congressmen from the coal states are fucking up all of obama's energy plans and insurance reforms in committee. Obama is the only one I trust right now. Though I wish he would keep the party in check, they think they can push him around and he has to let them know that that is unacceptable.

[QUOTE=CobraZero;14473114]Enjoy the new health care until they deny your dying elders (Senior citizens) health care because they are no longer valuable assets to society. Also New World Order here we come![/QUOTE] if only... we could burn them for fuel?

[QUOTE=Raider27;14473586]ADDITION: It's not Obama's fault that all this useless spending is stuck in the bill. It's loaded down with pork by congress. It's about the same number in terms of spending as obama's plan but its not the same stuff. Which is bullshit. Congress sucks. The democratic congressmen from the coal states are fucking up all of obama's energy plans and insurance reforms in committee. Obama is the only one I trust right now. Though I wish he would keep the party in check, they think they can push him around and he has to let them know that that is unacceptable.[/QUOTE] If Obama really didn't want all that petty crap in it, he'd veto the thing. He's the President, but he still has to play by the rules of party politics. I have a feeling there's a LOT of Democrats in Congress that are only as loyal as the steady stream of pet projects they're given. Republicans too, of course. I like what the man's doing but I have no illusions about the fact that he still has to answer to the same crap as any other politician.