The software heist of the century, or a modern art masterpiece? - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Galago;31923805]But Mona Lisa is technically good.[/QUOTE] Objectivity has no place in art. I can say that Mona Lisa is trash and my opinion would be just as valid as yours which is that it's not trash.

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;31923943]I'd be interested to know if it was the value that record labels give tracks, or the RRP of them. As in, when they take legal action the value they assign the "lost sales".[/QUOTE] It's the RRP, that the 5M is calculated from.

[QUOTE=Sanius;31923981]Objectivity has no place in art. I can say that Mona Lisa is trash and my opinion would be just as valid as yours which is that it's not trash.[/QUOTE] There's a few ideas about there on this subject, one being stone spearheads being one of the first examples of human art, and that their utility translates on a psychological level to beauty. The idea being, everyone around the world finds the shape of the spearhead appealing and a good bit of art, because of evolution. So for this example, the spearhead would be "technically good" I've probably butchered the idea and got it completely wrong, there's a ted talk on it somewhere.

[QUOTE=Galago;31923805]But Mona Lisa is technically good. [/QUOTE] technical skill does not equal artistry. [QUOTE=Galago;31923805]...It's a statement and nothing more, [/QUOTE] a statement can be art [QUOTE=Galago;31923805]and not a thought provoking one.[/QUOTE] subjective [editline]24th August 2011[/editline] if mere technical skill equals artistry then steve vai and thomas kinkade are great artists [editline]24th August 2011[/editline] and while "great" is a subjective term and you're totally allowed to say that either of them is, i'll challenge you on it and we'll have a real live art discussion of our very own

If webster says art is something that causes thoughts or emotion and DarkRP causes both does that mean that it is art?

[QUOTE=yawmwen;31920413]most artists probably didnt "think it through" i bet if you asked most artists how they came up with certain pieces of art they would have just said "oh i thought it looked cool". most art doesnt have a strong meaning, but it [I]invokes[/I] meaning in the people who see it.[/QUOTE] Could you name a few artists who made art that way, because I can't think of any

[QUOTE=Scavenger;31924354]If webster says art is something that causes thoughts or emotion and DarkRP causes both does that mean that it is art?[/QUOTE] I'm also interested in your deeper thoughts about DarkRP broke my automerge :/

[QUOTE=Scavenger;31924354]If webster says art is something that causes thoughts or emotion and DarkRP causes both does that mean that it is art?[/QUOTE] If DarkRP was being used as some kind of exploration into the psyche of people who are anonymously role playing alternate lives then yeah it could be very artistic DarkRP itself isn't art (because that has never been its intent) but you could use it for such

ITT: Art majors vs Philosophical majors.

[QUOTE=The Saiko;31924423]Could you name a few artists who made art that way, because I can't think of any[/QUOTE] sonic youth, nirvana, dadaists

Technically art is defined as expression of creative skill and imagination; painting, sculpture or producing work primarily for their beauty or emotional power or simply just getting you to question and think upon the work itself.

Calling something "art" and "not art" is a fancier way of saying "I like this" and "I don't like this".

[QUOTE=Scavenger;31924354]If webster says art is something that causes thoughts or emotion and DarkRP causes both does that mean that it is art?[/QUOTE] Yes. threads like this are the easiest things to argue in because people keep trying to trip me up by saying "Well then is [ridiculous thing] art?" and all i have to say is "yes" because it's always true [editline]24th August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Glorbo;31925154]Calling something "art" and "not art" is a fancier way of saying "I like this" and "I don't like this".[/QUOTE] no it's not it's wrong way of saying it [editline]24th August 2011[/editline] it's an incorrect use of language to say something isn't art when you really mean that you just don't like the thing

[QUOTE=Scavenger;31924354]If webster says art is something that causes thoughts or emotion and DarkRP causes both does that mean that it is art?[/QUOTE] You and several complete strangers are collaborating to create a fictitious world in which you live your own lives by self-created standards and rules as self-invented characters. You live out a story, a series of events often revolving around conflict and act out your part. I would argue it is as much art as anything else - Consider it writing a story in multiplayer mode. I find RP culture fascinating because it is in essence the ultimate escapism - You are no longer even you. That is more than most drugs or even binge drinking will accomplish.

Even if art is like that people shouldn't be viewed as geniuses or given pots of money for something they most likely thought up to get a quick buck by fooling some hipster critics.

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;31925212]Yes. threads like this are the easiest things to argue in because people keep trying to trip me up by saying "Well then is [ridiculous thing] art?" and all i have to say is "yes" because it's always true [/QUOTE] I kind of have to disagree until I asked the person who created it whether or not they consider it art

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;31925296]Even if art is like that people shouldn't be viewed as geniuses or given pots of money for something they most likely thought up to get a quick buck by fooling some hipster critics.[/QUOTE] Ah, but what dollar figure do you put on an idea? You pay 40%-500% markup on everything you buy - What value is an idea in a world where a cheeseburger that costs 8 cents to make is sold for a dollar fifty? The value is in the eye of those who view it. It is a need and want based system. If you create and sell a 100 dollar cheeseburger, it better be a damn good one because in the receiver's eyes, it needs to live up to the cost. They aren't "given" buckets of money, they are rewarded by society for creating a thought provoking image.

[QUOTE=FreakyMe;31925366]Ah, but what dollar figure do you put on an idea? You pay 40%-500% markup on everything you buy - What value is an idea in a world where a cheeseburger that costs 8 cents to make is sold for a dollar fifty? The value is in the eye of those who view it. It is a need and want based system. If you create and sell a 100 dollar cheeseburger, it better be a damn good one because in the receiver's eyes, it needs to live up to the cost. They aren't "given" buckets of money, they are rewarded by society for creating a thought provoking image.[/QUOTE] I view it that an item is worth the labour that has been put into it.

[QUOTE=FreakyMe;31925276]You are no longer even you. That is more than most drugs or even binge drinking will accomplish.[/QUOTE] Well, you [I]clearly[/I] haven't done enough drugs.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;31925417]I view it that an item is worth the labour that has been put into it.[/QUOTE] Labour isn't a tangible thing that you can attach a dollar value to easily either.

[QUOTE=Contag;31925428]Well, you [I]clearly[/I] haven't done enough drugs.[/QUOTE] Hence, "[B][I][U]MOST[/U][/I][/B] drugs", Mr. Nitpicky.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;31925417]I view it that an item is worth the labour that has been put into it.[/QUOTE] And presumably usefulness and a range of other factors.

[QUOTE=Contag;31925454]And presumably usefulness and a range of other factors.[/QUOTE] That too.

[QUOTE=FreakyMe;31925440]Hence, "[B][I][U]MOST[/U][/I][/B] drugs", Mr. Nitpicky.[/QUOTE] Only a matter of quantity!

[QUOTE=Croshi;31916709]That was a good one, could have used more Robotnik or some Mario Bros cartoons.[/QUOTE] Why isn't this comment getting more love?

why does anyone think the creator of this is getting "buckets of cash" artists don't usually get much cash lmao and this is a low budget exhibit

[QUOTE=Zeke129;31925318]I kind of have to disagree until I asked the person who created it whether or not they consider it art[/QUOTE] so you have the same general thoughts on the subject as i do, then? i think that, on a deeper level at least, art is in the intention. like, if a carpenter is making chairs and he makes one chair in particular and says "this is art. this is my masterpiece.", then that chair is art. the others are not, until they're used by people with the intention of being art or a part of art.

[QUOTE=Mooe94;31913964]Art [I]is[/I] great because it [I]can[/I] be anything. Without that loose definition we wouldn't have any "good" piece of "art".[/QUOTE] Man, I had no idea art was so easy. Where do colleges get off making people pay thousands of dollars to learn to make something that can be anything?

[QUOTE=Zeke129;31925318]I kind of have to disagree until I asked the person who created it whether or not they consider it art[/QUOTE] doesn't matter if they intended it as art; if i or anyone else calls it art that means it's being interpreted as art and that what makes it art [editline]24th August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Sobotnik;31925417]I view it that an item is worth the labour that has been put into it.[/QUOTE] so a vast multimillion dollar project with hundreds upon hundreds of people working on it, like Transformers 3, is inherently superior to all movies with smaller crews? [editline]24th August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Mingebox;31926595]Man, I had no idea art was so easy. Where do colleges get off making people pay thousands of dollars to learn to make something that can be anything?[/QUOTE] cool, this misses the point [editline]24th August 2011[/editline] college art classes are about teaching mediums

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;31926664] [editline]24th August 2011[/editline] cool. what a great argument.[/QUOTE] Anything can be art, you just need to be able to convince people that it is. So really artists should be getting marketing degrees.