Judge declares man's truck 'his home' in ruling that could affect hundreds of homeless people - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Citrus705;53183060]Why are homeless people treated like shit anyways[/QUOTE] Because someone who thinks highly of themselves and can't stand anything that looks dirty and scummy despise homeless people that fit that description they have in their head. It's the arrogance of thinking your better than everyone else, which might be engrained in you through your parents or a social stigma that collectively condemns homeless people. Basically there's no reason to treat homeless people like shit in most cases, a lot of people just do it because they're dicks.

[QUOTE=Citrus705;53183060]Why are homeless people treated like shit anyways[/QUOTE] Stereotypes of the homeless being unstable, potentially violent, and spending any money given to them on booze instead of saving up to get themselves off the streets. Also their ‘invisibility’ in society makes them easier targets for harassment.

I'm always kind to the homeless. The law should be too.

[QUOTE=ChronoBlade;53183159]Because someone who thinks highly of themselves and can't stand anything that looks dirty and scummy despise homeless people that fit that description they have in their head. It's the arrogance of thinking your better than everyone else, which might be engrained in you through your parents or a social stigma that collectively condemns homeless people. Basically there's no reason to treat homeless people like shit in most cases, a lot of people just do it because they're dicks.[/QUOTE] As a point if a homeless person asks for change I try to at least say "Sorry I can't help you" because from what I heard even just the tiniest bit of human acknowledgement can go some way to making them feel less like a piece of shit on the side of the pavement. Emphasis on try though, it might be down to me just being socially awkward in general but its often really hard to say even that. It's not even that I think less of the poor souls, its just something that makes it feel like I would be more responsible for their situation if I didn't do enough or something.

[QUOTE=LZTYBRN;53182265]socially liberal but fiscally, they don't want to put any money towards the homeless. Their idea of combating the homelessness problem is "keep making the homeless people go where we can ignore them better"[/QUOTE] They aren't socially anything. You'll find most armchair progressives stop being progressives when being told the word "no" or "you'll have to do it yourself" or having a goal entail more than being El Knighto Blanco on a social media platform, and a vast swath of southern Cali is neck deep in this kind of hypocrisy.

[QUOTE=27X;53185704]They aren't socially anything. You'll find most armchair progressives stop being progressives when being told the word "no" or "you'll have to do it yourself" or having a goal entail more than being El Knighto Blanco on a social media platform, and a vast swath of southern Cali is neck deep in this kind of hypocrisy.[/QUOTE] Christ almighty are you actually saying "real Liberals don't exist and you've never seen one"? You actually believe that people who are socially liberal don't exist, only in theory? You're claiming that the "side" responsible for the vast, vast majority of protests isn't physically active in pursuing their goals.

I'm saying I have to make regular trips to the area and much like downtown Chicago and other urban sprawls, walking the walk and talking the talk are often two [b]very[/b] different things, particularly when it comes to spending money and giving up personal space, freedom and amenities. There's the kind of liberal that actually works a soup kitchen line every weekend or afternoon and the kind of liberal that posts about it from a distance, and there are a LOT more of one than the other, even in places like Redmond and San Francisco.

That's a step in the right direction, Although it still means his home can be taken off the road if he doens't have a plate or if it is't road worthy.

[QUOTE=phygon;53185900]Christ almighty are you actually saying "real Liberals don't exist and you've never seen one"? You actually believe that people who are socially liberal don't exist, only in theory? You're claiming that the "side" responsible for the vast, vast majority of protests isn't physically active in pursuing their goals.[/QUOTE] What other explanation do you have for liberally dominated places like LA? They have all the power. They can do whatever they want with essentially zero fear of losing the next election, yet things keep getting worse.

[QUOTE=27X;53185992]I'm saying I have to make regular trips to the area and much like downtown Chicago and other urban sprawls, walking the walk and talking the talk are often two [b]very[/b] different things, particularly when it comes to spending money and giving up personal space, freedom and amenities. There's the kind of liberal that actually works a soup kitchen line every weekend or afternoon and the kind of liberal that posts about it from a distance, and there are a LOT more of one than the other, even in places like Redmond and San Francisco.[/QUOTE] There's a lot more passively political people of EVERY alignment. What was the last time you took part in community service or a protest? [editline]8th March 2018[/editline] [QUOTE=sgman91;53186718]What other explanation do you have for liberally dominated places like LA? They have all the power. They can do whatever they want with essentially zero fear of losing the next election, yet things keep getting worse.[/QUOTE] It's almost like homelessness is a complicated issue that isn't simply resolved by offering programs. I live in LA. A lot of the homeless (if not all of them) are extremely mentally Ill or have extreme drug addiction issues.

[QUOTE=phygon;53187131]It's almost like homelessness is a complicated issue that isn't simply resolved by offering programs. I live in LA. A lot of the homeless (if not all of them) are extremely mentally Ill or have extreme drug addiction issues.[/QUOTE] How does that change the claim? If the liberal leaders of LA really do care, and liberal ideas are good, then they should at least be making a lot of progress over the decades. Either they really do care, but their policies are totally ineffective, or they don't really care. By the way, I also live near LA, and you're completely right. The large majority of homeless people, of who I come into contact with every single day, have obvious mental health issues. It's an extremely difficult problem to solve, if it's even possible to solve at all.

[QUOTE=sgman91;53187221]How does that change the claim? If the liberal leaders of LA really do care, and liberal ideas are good, then they should at least be making a lot of progress over the decades. Either they really do care, but their policies are totally ineffective, or they don't really care. By the way, I also live near LA, and you're completely right. The large majority of homeless people, of who I come into contact with every single day, have obvious mental health issues. It's an extremely difficult problem to solve, if it's even possible to solve at all.[/QUOTE] You are simultaneously saying that liberals are clearly not doing for work because they are having difficulty solving a problem, and that the problem might not be possible to solve. In the same paragraph.

[QUOTE=phygon;53188371]You are simultaneously saying that liberals are clearly not doing for work because they are having difficulty solving a problem, and that the problem might not be possible to solve. In the same paragraph.[/QUOTE] There are only really 3 possibilities: 1) The liberals in power have really good intentions, and really care about the issue, but their policies are bad. So we're not seeing results. 2) The liberals in power don't actually care that much about solving the problem. So we're not seeing any solutions. 3) There isn't a solution to the problem, and the liberal's position is fairly irrelevant. The one thing you can't really say, at least in my opinion, is that it's a solvable problem, and the liberals have good ideas that they are really trying to put into place. They've had complete control for too long, and we've seen too little results, for that to be tenable.

[QUOTE=sgman91;53188508]There are only really 3 possibilities: 1) The liberals in power have really good intentions, and really care about the issue, but their policies are bad. So we're not seeing results. 2) The liberals in power don't actually care that much about solving the problem. So we're not seeing any solutions. 3) There isn't a solution to the problem, and the liberal's position is fairly irrelevant. The one thing you can't really say, at least in my opinion, is that it's a solvable problem, and the liberals have good ideas that they are really trying to put into place. They've had complete control for too long, and we've seen too little results, for that to be tenable.[/QUOTE] tbh if I had to choose I'd rather live in Democratic Southern California than Republican Kansas, West Virginia, or Michigan.

[QUOTE=phygon;53187131]There's a lot more passively political people of EVERY alignment. What was the last time you took part in community service or a protest? [editline]8th March 2018[/editline] It's almost like homelessness is a complicated issue that isn't simply resolved by offering programs. I live in LA. A lot of the homeless (if not all of them) are extremely mentally Ill or have extreme drug addiction issues.[/QUOTE] I volunteer in an animal shelter every weekend I can, frankly at this time in our little spherical ride around a slowly dying luminous body I'm of the opinion both progressives and conservatives can go fuck themselves, their smugness and their hubris, and that includes the armchair variety, with a slight lean towards liberals fucking themselves slightly less harder, because there is a very clear order of shit going wrong in many layers and levels of societal interaction, the means to fix said shit [I]doesn't require[/I] any means of political affiliation, it entails keeping an open mind and not being a dick, it also doesn't require virtue signaling talking about what you coulda shoulda been done on the internets, it requires asses and elbows. That's it, that's all.

[QUOTE=27X;53188560]I volunteer in an animal shelter every weekend I can, frankly at this time in our little spherical ride around a slowly dying luminous body[B] I'm of the opinion both progressives and conservatives can go fuck themselves[/B], their smugness and their hubris, and that includes the armchair variety, with a slight lean towards liberals fucking themselves slightly less harder, because there is a very clear order of shit going wrong in many layers and levels of societal interaction, the means to fix said shit [I]doesn't require[/I] any means of political affiliation, it entails keeping an open mind and not being a dick, it also doesn't require virtue signaling talking about what you coulda shoulda been done on the internets, it requires asses and elbows. That's it, that's all.[/QUOTE] Are you sure that you don't mean Democrats and Republicans? Because "Progressives and Conservatives" describes literally every single politically active person by the convention that those are terms that split political alignment in a binary way.

If you think the american system is the only one full of absurdity, partisan fuckery and general lack of action, you haven't been paying attention.

[QUOTE=27X;53188926]If you think the american system is the only one full of absurdity, partisan fuckery and general lack of action, you haven't been paying attention.[/QUOTE] But goddamn it has a lot of it...

[QUOTE=sgman91;53187221]How does that change the claim? If the liberal leaders of LA really do care, and liberal ideas are good, then they should at least be making a lot of progress over the decades. Either they really do care, but their policies are totally ineffective, or they don't really care. By the way, I also live near LA, and you're completely right. The large majority of homeless people, of who I come into contact with every single day, have obvious mental health issues. It's an extremely difficult problem to solve, if it's even possible to solve at all.[/QUOTE] Who are the liberal leaders of LA?

[QUOTE=phygon;53185900]Christ almighty are you actually saying "real Liberals don't exist and you've never seen one"? You actually believe that people who are socially liberal don't exist, only in theory? You're claiming that the "side" responsible for the vast, vast majority of protests isn't physically active in pursuing their goals.[/QUOTE] LA has a housing crisis thanks to artificial scarcity, and there's a massive bulking housing bubble as a result. There is a shortage of homes which makes the existing ones very valuable, and making new ones would cause that value to drop. So to keep the value of their land very high, they restrict construction of new homes so the value of theirs continues to climb. It's supply and demand, and they are intentionally choking supply in order to keep the value high regardless of demand. If LA was really this super selfless liberal place they think they are, they would make a sacrifice and vote for more housing to be constructed. But that would tank the artificially high value of their own investments, and they don't want that.

There's a lot of people that are genuinely in hard times, that have to live in their cars, and I understand that struggle. Seattle is an expensive place. Unfortunately there's also a lot of junkies that squat in shitty campers and turn them into their drug dens. I was walking home from work a few months ago, and saw a couple of people just laying out in the middle of the sidewalk. Probably OD'd on heroin. Sure enough, there was a bucket full of used heroin needles near the area they were holed up in just about a block away from me. Scary shit.

[QUOTE=27X;53188926]If you think the american system is the only one full of absurdity, partisan fuckery and general lack of action, you haven't been paying attention.[/QUOTE] Of course it isn't. That doesn't make every single politically active person somebody that should go fuck themselves. [editline]9th March 2018[/editline] [QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;53190120] If LA was really this super selfless liberal place they think they are[/QUOTE] You are projecting values onto something for seemingly no reason. People that live in LA do not believe that the government is "Selfless" and the government doesn't think that of itself either.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;53190120]LA has a housing crisis thanks to artificial scarcity, and there's a massive bulking housing bubble as a result. There is a shortage of homes which makes the existing ones very valuable, and making new ones would cause that value to drop. So to keep the value of their land very high, they restrict construction of new homes so the value of theirs continues to climb. It's supply and demand, and they are intentionally choking supply in order to keep the value high regardless of demand. If LA was really this super selfless liberal place they think they are, they would make a sacrifice and vote for more housing to be constructed. But that would tank the artificially high value of their own investments, and they don't want that.[/QUOTE] Isn't this a similar situation to what Vancouver has been dealing with foreign property buyers (albeit LA's buyers are mostly US citizens). Or probably more closely resembling what Australia has been dealing with (that friendlyjordies video comes to mind). If so, shouldn't there be a cap or disincentive to buy and hold so much empty property. I claim no expertise on the matter so please correct me.

[QUOTE=phygon;53187131] It's almost like homelessness is a complicated issue that isn't simply resolved by offering programs. I live in LA. A lot of the homeless (if not all of them) are extremely mentally Ill or have extreme drug addiction issues.[/QUOTE] this is kind of oversimplifying. There's just as many mentally ill homeless people as there are functional homeless, you just don't notice it as easily. [media]https://youtu.be/WUsJcPc8g0A[/media] This is a long documentary but if you watch the first two minutes it's a good overview of the overall message of the doc. It can happen to anyone and usually the biggest culprit is high rent and low wages. Los Angeles is absolutely [I]fucked[/I] in terms of wealth inequality