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We still aren't as warm as the world was 700 years ago yet. Plus I heard that volcanoes pump much more shit into the sky than humans do.
[QUOTE=Broseph_;27457833]How will it be a severe problem? I live in Texas, I for one will welcome the snow in the winter, and it isn't like I'll notice it getting hotter in the summer since it's already hot as hell I mean for fuck sakes, how hard will it be for those in the South United States and Central Europe to learn how to handle the colder winters from the Scandinavians and New Englanders, and them vice versa with how to deal with the heat? It seems rather pointless wasting trillions of dollars on some bullshit that even in the best projections will only lead to our children having temperatures that are 1 Celsius less than if we did nothing, then actually spend it on something that has effect now, like spending it to end malaria and world hunger[/QUOTE] Congratulations on failing to grasp how the weather changes will make agriculture incredibly difficult, and how a lot of animals will die off.
It was freezing in Louisiana last Winter. The Summer wasn't any warmer than usual, either.
[QUOTE=Kagrenak;27458571]Not one degree >3 degrees if it's 'business as usual'. One degree is the least we can get it to, realistically. Malaria is hard to treat in the developing world, who will suffer. Monsoons are currently very predictable, this a farmer in southeast Asia knows when to plant his crops. With the changes in deepwater circulation and the monsoons that would occur, they would become unpredictable and vastly decrease crop yields do an unacceptable degree. We can't just build dikes on the Ganges because it's fucking massive and is already at 3 metres above sea level, there's no way to just "deal with it". [editline]16th January 2011[/editline] We can, maybe. But the developing world can't handle these changes.[/QUOTE] why can't they? we seem so willing to waste trillions on carbon capture bullshit instead of doing worthwhile shit
[QUOTE=bravehat;27451080]Because as the years have gone by the average temperature has been higher and higher each year, indicating the brutally obvious. It's getting warmer.[/QUOTE] I'm not too into this whole global warming shit but as for a climate change, it must mean a change in ehm.. climate. It gets warmer, it gets cooler. It's a change. Not a permanent change to either direction.
[QUOTE=Broseph_;27461003]why can't they? we seem so willing to waste trillions on carbon capture bullshit instead of doing worthwhile shit[/QUOTE] They can't because they have no money. We're also doing shit all for carbon sequestration. Not "trillions" of USD, as you seem to think. Helping global warming directly is better than trying to mop up the things caused by it. Stopping the problem is a one time cost, treating the symptoms will draw out and accrue costs for generations. That's not something we can afford to burden the world with.
[QUOTE=bravehat;27459929]Congratulations on failing to grasp how the weather changes will make agriculture incredibly difficult, and how a lot of animals will die off.[/QUOTE] And that's evolution for you, it's adapt or die
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;27461025]I'm not too into this whole global warming shit but as for a climate change, it must mean a change in ehm.. climate. It gets warmer, it gets cooler. It's a change. Not a permanent change to either direction.[/QUOTE] Wrong, the climate is warming and this will bring with it a host of changes that will have drastic effects on the world economy and food supplies. The view you espouse is in contradiction with every single scientific institution in the entire world.
Hahahahahaha Were all gonna die
[QUOTE=Broseph_;27461054]And that's evolution for you, it's adapt or die[/QUOTE] Mass extinctions caused by humanity are not part of natural selection. Climate change usually happens over tens of thousands of years. It does not normally happen on a scale of a few hundred years.
[QUOTE=Kagrenak;27461082]Wrong, the climate is warming and this will bring with it a host of changes that will have drastic effects on the world economy and food supplies. The view you espouse is in contradiction with every single scientific institution in the entire world.[/QUOTE] How rude of you to imply I'm a gigantic idiot. I might as well say fuck this and fuck you too! But alright.. alright.
[QUOTE=Kagrenak;27461114]Mass extinctions caused by humanity are not part of natural selection. Climate change usually happens over tens of thousands of years. It does not normally happen on a scale of a few hundred years.[/QUOTE] Such extinctions are caused by things other than humans. For example if humans never evolved and Australia hit another continent all the animals in Australia would probably be fucked.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;27461467]Such extinctions are caused by things other than humans. For example if humans never evolved and Australia hit another continent all the animals in Australia would probably be fucked.[/QUOTE] That happens over millions of years; a collision between continents isn't really that traumatic. That is in no way comparable to anthropogenic global warming, which will happen in the order of maybe several centuries.
[QUOTE=Kagrenak;27461114]Mass extinctions caused by humanity are not part of natural selection. Climate change usually happens over tens of thousands of years. It does not normally happen on a scale of a few hundred years.[/QUOTE] Mass extinctions caused by Humanity? How?
[QUOTE=Kagrenak;27461573]That happens over millions of years; a collision between continents isn't really the traumatic. That is in no way comparable to anthropogenic global warming, which will happen in the order of maybe several centuries.[/QUOTE] It is traumatic. For example if Australia then finally had dry land between it and some other continent with rabbits, then you would only need a few rabbits to get into Australia to fuck things up. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbits_in_Australia[/url] A guy released 12 of the buggers and ten years later there were at least 2 million fucking things up. Humans are actively trying to prevent damage by invasive animals and stopping them being allowed into the country. If there were no Humans and Australia hit another continent then fucktons of invasive animals would come in and the natives would be fucked.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;27462397]It is traumatic. For example if Australia then finally had dry land between it and some other continent with rabbits, then you would only need a few rabbits to get into Australia to fuck things up. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbits_in_Australia[/url] A guy released 12 of the buggers and ten years later there were at least 2 million fucking things up. Humans are actively trying to prevent damage by invasive animals and stopping them being allowed into the country. If there were no Humans and Australia hit another continent then fucktons of invasive animals would come in and the natives would be fucked.[/QUOTE] This has nothing to do with AGW. Stop fucking posting about it. This also doesn't change the fact that more mass extinctions is a bad thing to biodiversity. [QUOTE=Broseph_;27462044]Mass extinctions caused by Humanity? How?[/QUOTE] Anthropogenic (human caused) global warming.
In the four states I've been in, its felt colder. Idaho, Flordia, Minnesota, Wisconsin
[QUOTE=Zambies!;27462475]In the four states I've been in, its felt colder. Idaho, Flordia, Minnesota, Wisconsin[/QUOTE] This has nothing to do with global temperatures or the climate on a longer time scale than a couple days you spent in Florida.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;27462397]It is traumatic. For example if Australia then finally had dry land between it and some other continent with rabbits, then you would only need a few rabbits to get into Australia to fuck things up. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbits_in_Australia[/url] A guy released 12 of the buggers and ten years later there were at least 2 million fucking things up. Humans are actively trying to prevent damage by invasive animals and stopping them being allowed into the country. If there were no Humans and Australia hit another continent then fucktons of invasive animals would come in and the natives would be fucked.[/QUOTE] [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8a/Plates_tect2_en.svg/1000px-Plates_tect2_en.svg.png[/img] Australia is convergent on the Pacific plate boundary, divergent on the Antarctic, and transform on the Eurasian. Australia isn't going to hit any continents. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pangea_animation_03.gif[/url] It never had a convergent continental boundary, actually, it split off from Pangaea and didn't really do much beyond splitting off a few other islands.
[url]http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/publications_and_data_reports.shtml[/url] You all have no idea what you're talking about. At all. Before you make yourselves look like even bigger idiots, read the above reports thoroughly.
[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;27462583][img_thumb]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8a/Plates_tect2_en.svg/1000px-Plates_tect2_en.svg.png[/img_thumb] Australia is convergent on the Pacific plate boundary, divergent on the Antarctic, and transform on the Eurasian. Australia isn't going to hit any continents. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pangea_animation_03.gif[/url] It never had a convergent continental boundary, actually, it split off from Pangaea and didn't really do much beyond splitting off a few other islands.[/QUOTE] I was just using it as an example, what I am trying to say is that not only humans are capable of and do mass extinctions.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;27462693]I was just using it as an example, what I am trying to say is that not only humans are capable of and do mass extinctions.[/QUOTE] This is unrelated to the fact that mass extinctions are bad or that they will happen as a result of AGW
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;27462693]I was just using it as an example, what I am trying to say is that not only humans are capable of and do mass extinctions.[/QUOTE] Wow holy shit, no way? You know, I think no one in history has [i]ever[/i] claimed that, because that's blindingly obvious, seeing as how 99% of the species that have ever existed aren't here today. Oh hey I wonder where the dinos are, humans weren't around back then :confused:
This thread is depressing. If the people calling climate change (we did used to call it 'global warming' which was correct, but it was changed because of the hurr durr it's cold as fuck here argument) obtain any position of power in the future, we're all fucked.
[QUOTE=petieng;27463223]This thread is depressing. If the people calling climate change (we did used to call it 'global warming' which was correct, but it was changed because of the hurr durr it's cold as fuck here argument) obtain any position of power in the future, we're all fucked.[/QUOTE] You should probably just stop caring about what the uneducated masses think. They really don't have the ability to think for themselves and can only repeat what they hear. They have literally no ability to look at data and come to a logical conclusion if it goes against their preconceptions. Just stop trying, you'll save yourself a stomach ulcer or two.
Bullshit. It was cold all year long.
[QUOTE=gamefreek76;27463613]Bullshit. It was cold all year long.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/publications_and_data_reports.shtml[/url] Please learn the first fucking thing about science before you blather your idiocy any longer.
While my view towards climate change is irrelevant, I think only good can come from moving towards a cleaner way of life. There are immediate benefits to reducing pollution output, purely in regards to our health. There are immediate economic benefits in encouraging the population to reduce energy consumption. Sustainable resources and consumption, ecosystem conservation, and the acidification of our oceans can only be aided by our attempts, no matter our motive. The only concern I have is radical change without suitable measures to ease transition. No coal power plant should be removed until its grid output is readily substituted by a cleaner source. Although that is only one example of radical change, I think you get the point. That's my 2 cents.
[QUOTE=gamefreek76;27463613]Bullshit. It was cold all year long.[/QUOTE] Three words AGW deniers don't understand: average annual global
is this a joke? it was fucking 3 degrees Fahrenheit the other night...
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