• "Hatred" is a genocide simulator developed by Neo-Nazis
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[quote]I see people comparing this to CoD/BF/L4D/[insert game with guns here] but this is pretty different due to the fact that basically everybody you are killing is defenseless. If every citizen was for some reason carrying weapons and would attack you as soon as the first shot went out, then this game could be turned into something fun like Crimsonland, but that's not the case. Violence is generally accepted in games because the game does not focus on it. With CoD, you are invested into a story about a specific soldier or group of soldier. With L4D, you are invested in the survival of you and your friends. [/quote] in gta, killing civilians doesn't accomplish anything. in this game, killing civilians accomplishes everything the game has to offer because the game doesn't offer anything else. your only goal is to kill civilians and then the police when they come... so you can kill more civilians later the glorification comes from the developers consistently insinuating that this game is 'just entertainment' and also 'just about killing people'- putting the two together would imply that they are promoting their notion that killing civilians and [I]only[/I] killing civilians is entertaining in itself
[QUOTE=Annoyed Grunt;46263142]Can somebody tell me what's the difference [I]for real[/I] between this and any GTA? You can just do the same, literally: stock up on weapons and start killing people. And don't tell me "But GTA is satire" because while it clearly is, most of the satire of the game comes out from scripted characters and missions, and not random NPCs, which are just going to scream and escape while you kill them. I could literally play GTA like if I were playing Hatred and not see a bit of the game's satire. Anyway, I didn't like watching the video, but I don't think there is anything inherently wrong with the game, especially since the video doesn't really show anything but the controversy, which is admittedly a smart move from the developers. Logically, the random killing of harmless civilians is only going to be the very first minutes of gameplay, because the police (and possibly the army, like in GTA?) are going to show up and stop you. If it weren't the case, I'd argue against the game not because "yuo kill ppl in it" but because a game without challenge and without a plot, where you just do the same thing, is stupid, controversy or not. Also I don't see how this "celebrates" or "glorifies" (these words get thrown around so easily these days) mass murder. A basic rule of fiction is that you can find enterentaining people doing bad things, that's why we like villains and antiheroes. Also I don't think you need any context to do things in videogames, you just do things because they are fun (they are inherently challenging) and because the game's rules tell you to do so. Otherwise, I couldn't enjoy playing Tetris, since why the fuck would I pile up blocks if the game didn't tell me to do so by giving me a set of rules?[/QUOTE] the difference is that while GTA does allow the player to cause just as much death and destruction, it's completely up to the player. the game doesn't force you to go on a one man genocide quest to complete it, unlike this game wherein it's the main objective (and arguably selling point) and you're rewarded for it.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;46261139]This is the funniest shit, a fucking "source" from an anti-GG sjw tumblr doing a write up on an obviously self aware offensive game. Apparently its confirmed, the devs are racists, thanks tumblr and assumptions.[/QUOTE] [quote]Why did you decide to make a graphically intense game about killing innocent people? "The answer is simple really. We wanted to create something contrary to prevailing standards of forcing games to be more polite or nice than they really are or even should be. "Yes, putting things simply, we are developing a game about killing people. But what's more important is the fact that we are honest in our approach. Our game doesn't pretend to be anything else than what it is and we don't add to it any fake philosophy. [/quote] [quote]Some people say it has a very "shock tactic" '90s vibe, and that it is derivative of Postal. What is your reaction to this? "I'd say they have a lot of reasons to claim that. Especially that, as you can see, so called 'shock tactic' does its job very well and in fact we should thank all those haters out there for that. ;)" [/quote] self aware. yea ok. lol
[QUOTE=Annoyed Grunt;46263142]Can somebody tell me what's the difference [I]for real[/I] between this and any GTA? You can just do the same, literally: stock up on weapons and start killing people. And don't tell me "But GTA is satire" because while it clearly is, most of the satire of the game comes out from scripted characters and missions, and not random NPCs, which are just going to scream and escape while you kill them. I could literally play GTA like if I were playing Hatred and not see a bit of the game's satire. Anyway, I didn't like watching the video, but I don't think there is anything inherently wrong with the game, especially since the video doesn't really show anything but the controversy, which is admittedly a smart move from the developers. Logically, the random killing of harmless civilians is only going to be the very first minutes of gameplay, because the police (and possibly the army, like in GTA?) are going to show up and stop you. If it weren't the case, I'd argue against the game not because "yuo kill ppl in it" but because a game without challenge and without a plot, where you just do the same thing, is stupid, controversy or not. Also I don't see how this "celebrates" or "glorifies" (these words get thrown around so easily these days) mass murder. A basic rule of fiction is that you can find enterentaining people doing bad things, that's why we like villains and antiheroes. Also I don't think you need any context to do things in videogames, you just do things because they are fun (they are inherently challenging) and because the game's rules tell you to do so. Otherwise, I couldn't enjoy playing Tetris, since why the fuck would I pile up blocks if the game didn't tell me to do so by giving me a set of rules?[/QUOTE] The difference is that GTA treats the whole thing with absurd, satirical humor. So far absolutely everything that's been shown or said by the developers about Hatred seems to bring up that the game is supposed to be taken as seriously as it gets. The fact it's in this overdone black and white grimdark filter (as opposed to GTA V's very vibrant colors and visuals) also points toward that. Also GTA very rarely forces you to attack civilians and barely rewards you for it. You can sell people to a crazy cult for extra dosh, that's about it. Story wise, there's that very uncomfortable torture sequence and it's a very obvious satire of American interrogation methods in Gitmo.
[QUOTE=Annoyed Grunt;46263142]Can somebody tell me what's the difference [I]for real[/I] between this and any GTA? You can just do the same, literally: stock up on weapons and start killing people. And don't tell me "But GTA is satire" because while it clearly is, most of the satire of the game comes out from scripted characters and missions, and not random NPCs, which are just going to scream and escape while you kill them. I could literally play GTA like if I were playing Hatred and not see a bit of the game's satire.[/QUOTE] That is ENTIRELY up to the player to do so. At no point are you REQUIRED to gun down tons of innocent people to advance, you are just free to act like a psycho cunt. [quote]Anyway, I didn't like watching the video, but I don't think there is anything inherently wrong with the game, especially since the video doesn't really show anything but the controversy, which is admittedly a smart move from the developers. Logically, the random killing of harmless civilians is only going to be the very first minutes of gameplay, because the police (and possibly the army, like in GTA?) are going to show up and stop you. If it weren't the case, I'd argue against the game not because "yuo kill ppl in it" but because a game without challenge and without a plot, where you just do the same thing, is stupid, controversy or not.[/quote] We'll wait and see but it showed just as much if not more civies than police getting their brains blown out just in the trailer so I'm inclined to believe that there is loads of it in the game. [quote]Also I don't see how this "celebrates" or "glorifies" (these words get thrown around so easily these days) mass murder. A basic rule of fiction is that you can find enterentaining people doing bad things, that's why we like villains and antiheroes.[/quote] Close ups of some 14 year olds power fantasy graphically stabbing and shooting people's brains out followed by him nonchalantly getting up and continuing with what seems to be the meat of the game of murdering literally everyone you see kind of does glorifies violence. And people like GOOD villains with deep stories and motives. This assholes motive is that he thinks people are worms and he wants to die a violent death. So fucking engaging [quote]Also I don't think you need any context to do things in videogames, you just do things because they are fun (they are inherently challenging) and because the game's rules tell you to do so. Otherwise, I couldn't enjoy playing Tetris, since why the fuck would I pile up blocks if the game didn't tell me to do so by giving me a set of rules?[/quote] The context of Tetris is literally stacking blocks, that's it. You wouldn't play it if you didn't want to stack blocks but you do so the game exists for you to stack blocks. In this you go around murdering people because you're a piece of shit which is different than say Halo because you're some asshole trying to save the Human race or Spec Ops where you're some asshole losing it to PTSD and losing his mind.
As someone pointed out in another thread (I think it was one about Marvel's Civil War), the absolute god-tier of villains is characters like Ozymandias from Watchmen - villains who do horrible things for the greater good, are very hard to disagree with, and arguably have much better ideals and views on the world than the hero of the story. A character that just wants to shoot up the world because whatever is fucking terrible.
[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;46261139]This is the funniest shit, a fucking "source" from an anti-GG sjw tumblr doing a write up on an obviously self aware offensive game. Apparently its confirmed, the devs are racists, thanks tumblr and assumptions.[/QUOTE] this game is about as self aware as some dude grinding "DEATH" or "BURZUM" onto the top of his desk during history class with a pair of scissors
aren't civilians health pickups in prototype Like, you pick them up, break them in half, and eat them for health. That game starred an emo edgelord who's fad up with this warl too. Prototype was a good game. If this game is fun, what's the problem?
The only thing that can redeem this game is mods, someone needs to make a clown mod that all your weapons are cream pies and balloon animals.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;46263527]aren't civilians health pickups in prototype Like, you pick them up, break them in half, and eat them for health. That game starred an emo edgelord who's fad up with this warl too. Prototype was a good game. If this game is fun, what's the problem?[/QUOTE] Prototype actually had a story. The main characters has motivations that go further than "fuck this world imma shoot it", even though he's still a massive fucking cunt in the end. Killing civilians isn't the goal, it remains completely optional, and you even get an achievement for not assimilating more than five civilians throughout.
[QUOTE=Primigenes;46263608]My real question is when did Tumblr become a legitimate source on FP? That's a serious question[/QUOTE] if people cite their sources and do their homework about the problem then where's the issue
[QUOTE=Ownederd;46263641]if people cite their sources and do their homework about the problem then where's the issue[/QUOTE] It's an issue when the source makes some stuff up, takes blatant shortcuts and sensationalizes the fuck out of everything. See how the devs are called neo nazis and how the game is described as a genocide simulator where a white man killed colored people, when it's really just a bunch of dorky edgelords making a dorky edgy game. It's a blog post, or at best an opinion piece. It's not a news article.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;46263688]It's an issue when the source makes some stuff up, takes blatant shortcuts and sensationalizes the fuck out of everything. See how the devs are called neo nazis and how the game is described as a genocide simulator where a white man killed colored people, when it's really just a bunch of dorky edgelords making a dorky edgy game. It's a blog post, or at best an opinion piece. It's not a news article.[/QUOTE] except some of devs actually tie themselves to radical, right-wing polish political groups?
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;46263688]It's an issue when the source makes some stuff up[/quote] Some stuff, but not all. It makes valid points. We were stuck on this last page, the dev in question is part of that Facebook group. [quote]sensationalizes the fuck out of everything[/quote] You're in Sensationalist Headlines.
I can't tell if this is deeply sensationalist or not. Are the neo-Nazi's or not. Regardless of whether I liked the game or not they wouldn't get my money. Banning isn't a solution. Just don't buy it.
It's almost like the devs want this game to be controversial so people will notice it because bad press = press But nah they're probably just making it because they're genocidal neo-nazis who want to live out their racial cleansing wet dream in a video game
Does it really matter whether they're actually racist or only pretending to be racist?
[QUOTE=DrTaxi;46263770]Does it really matter whether they're actually racist or only pretending to be racist?[/QUOTE] yeah.
[QUOTE=NeverGoWest;46259353] Its basically fuck shit up the game, or if that movie Rampage was turned into a game, it's gameplay looks incredibly satisfying.[/QUOTE] wasn't Fuck Shit Up conceived as an over-the-top game that has a Mad World approach to violence and also you're a fucking viking? also Rampage was terrible
[QUOTE=Ownederd;46263713]except some of devs actually tie themselves to radical, right-wing polish political groups?[/QUOTE] That doesn't mean their game is inherently a neo nazi's wet dream. As far as I can see, it's spergs doing a spergy game. I mean this isn't ZOG's Nightmare.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;46263819]That doesn't mean their game is inherently a neo nazi's wet dream. As far as I can see, it's spergs doing a spergy game. I mean this isn't ZOG's Nightmare.[/QUOTE] yeah? what about the idea that people want to boycott the game because the devs are pieces of shit.
Reminds me of this. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_Cleansing_(video_game)[/url]
[QUOTE=Swebonny;46261233] Does the argument that it is "just a game", still hold?[/QUOTE] the argument that it's "just a game" never holds tbh media does not exist in a vacuum and games are relevant reflections of culture
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;46263590]Prototype actually had a story. The main characters has motivations that go further than "fuck this world imma shoot it", even though he's still a massive fucking cunt in the end. Killing civilians isn't the goal, it remains completely optional, and you even get an achievement for not assimilating more than five civilians throughout.[/QUOTE] there were plenty of specially marked scientists, guards, soldiers, and maintenance workers which you got bonus points for brutally murdering you definitely are encouraged to devour innocent people alive. I mean it makes sense why you would, but if we're just talking about the morality of being encouraged to kill innocent people I don't see why that's relevant. [editline]17th October 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=RichyZ;46263725]in prototype, you played as a dude for roughly half a second, then you played as a literal virus that wanted to kill and eat everything so it could stay alive[/QUOTE] I don't really see why that's an important distinction unless we're establishing that what you roleplay as affects the morality of what you're encouraged to do
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;46259302]The information on this particular matter is accurate, it probably didn't warrant a thread (since we already have two dedicated to this game) but that doesn't change the information. Also that doesn't appear to be the only other post, there's a few more pages.[/QUOTE] Not entirely to be honest. As far as I know the soldier shirt on the one guy refers to the so called cursed soldiers, which are associated with the freikorps in terms of both being anticommunists. But that generally were a lot of the parallels end. Since the cursed soldiers generally formed from AK units as opposed to the freikorps.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;46263953]there were plenty of specially marked scientists, guards, soldiers, and maintenance workers which you got bonus points for brutally murdering you definitely are encouraged to devour innocent people alive. I mean it makes sense why you would, but if we're just talking about the morality of being encouraged to kill innocent people I don't see why that's relevant. [editline]17th October 2014[/editline] I don't really see why that's an important distinction unless we're establishing that what you roleplay as affects the morality of what you're encouraged to do[/QUOTE] The people you have to kill in Prototype are not innocent by the plot's standard because they helped created the virus that infected you and basically the entire city. The actual non-plot related NPCs that wander around have nothing to do with you. Besides, parts of the plot is how far exactly the main character is ready to go to unravel the truth and how it totally, absolutely wasn't worth it, because in the end the truth wasn't worth it and he has to deal with all the murder and basically the infection of an entire city. Basically Prototype is all about how fucked someone can get in a shitty situation and how it's totally possible to do horrible things when clouded by your own convictions. So far Hatred is about a dude going postal and shooting bystanders because fuck actually having a plot.
[QUOTE=mugofdoom;46263000]Please name all the mass shooters that you can think of that look like you just described[/QUOTE] Please refer to my last post that explained exactly what i meant [QUOTE=fulgrim;46259792] [b] i like how the main character of a game about a deranged mass shooter looks the part of a social outcast, instead of being made to look like a badass people would aspire to be, calm down mate. [/b] [/QUOTE]
Yeah because "social outcasts" are towering beasts that are taller than anyone else, have enough muscle to actually fill a trench coat without looking like they stole their dad's XL clothes, and who can hold and operate firearms with one hand while carrying people with the other.
would you be comfortable sitting next to the dude on the bus? :v:
[QUOTE=fulgrim;46264122]would you be comfortable sitting next to the dude on the bus? :v:[/QUOTE] That's beyond the point. This is an idealized vision of a mass shooter, the character is what every dumb edgy teenager wishes to be : tall, muscular, "badass", trench coat wearing, and such. Actual mass shooters are just typical looking dudes. And most social outcasts are greasy fat neckbeards.
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