[QUOTE=Starpluck;35064614]Not true.
Remember that [URL="http://facepunch.com/threads/1168466"]LGBT march[/URL] in Mississippi? It was shut down immediately after discovering they didn't have the necessary papers, the article claims one police officer even stated "its illegal to be gay in Mississippi"
I bring up that incident specifically as well since people seem keen on pointing out Russia's dispersal of LGBT parades, while the U.S. is purported to be more than welcoming.[/QUOTE]
In general, the US is vastly more welcoming to different ideas and things like this. Sure, there are government officials who will stop something because they don't like it, but those are few and far between. Russia is uniformly against civil discourse.
(HEY all you 12 year old US facepunchers: trying to save the face of your nation doesn't work because for the rest of the planet, the mask has already dropped and behind it is a visage of shit so trying to defend your country isn't going to work, jus 2 let u no the only people you're bulshitting are yourselves)
[QUOTE=Isuzu;35064797](HEY all you 12 year old US facepunchers: trying to save the face of your nation doesn't work because for the rest of the planet, the mask has already dropped and behind it is a visage of shit so trying to defend your country isn't going to work, jus 2 let u no the only people you're bulshitting are yourselves)[/QUOTE]
If you're going to call people immature, I suggest you use proper spelling, grammar and punctuation when you do so.
[QUOTE=Gishank;35053164]Where's the evidence that they rigged their elections? Putin has just as many supporters as protestors which would confirm what the elections said. Anyway, as for this - to be honest, what's the problem? The US is known to be one of the biggest human rights violators in the world.[/QUOTE]
more than 100% voter turnout in a country as huge as russia.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;35064614]Not true.
Remember that [URL="http://facepunch.com/threads/1168466"]LGBT march[/URL] in Mississippi? It was shut down immediately after discovering they didn't have the necessary papers, the article claims one police officer even stated "its illegal to be gay in Mississippi"
I bring up that incident specifically as well since people seem keen on pointing out Russia's dispersal of LGBT parades, while the U.S. is purported to be more than welcoming.[/QUOTE]
But that's Mississippi, and every American knows how shitty Mississippi is.
[QUOTE=King Tiger;35063437]It's the same thing that you criticize "The West" for - meddling in the Middle East for their own gain. Except Russia tends to back dictatorships that kill their own people while "The West" usually aims to remove said dictators.
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Look at Israel, Bahrain and Saudi Arabia if you want an example of "The West" conveniently ignoring human rights abuses of their allies.
Not to mention the direct US involvement in torture (and murder) of people who haven't even been given a trial, they are clearly an example for all that is good.
Is it okay because those people aren't US citizens? I suggest you check your bias at the door next time you decide to post.
If you think any major power "intervening" in foreign events has any motivation other than self-interest you clearly know nothing of politics, history or international relations.
Seriously they are as bad as each-other, defending the actions of the US while condemning the similar actions of Russia is just backwards and illogical.
[QUOTE=WhatTheKlent;35066032]Look at Israel, Bahrain and Saudi Arabia if you want an example of "The West" conveniently ignoring human rights abuses of their allies.
Not to mention the direct US involvement in torture (and murder) of people who haven't even been given a trial, they are clearly an example for all that is good.
Is it okay because those people aren't US citizens? I suggest you check your bias at the door next time you decide to post.
If you think any major power "intervening" in foreign events has any motivation other than self-interest you clearly know nothing of politics, history or international relations.
Seriously they are as bad as each-other, defending the actions of the US while condemning the similar actions of Russia is just backwards and illogical.[/QUOTE]
Who here has defended the assassination of someone just because they weren't a US citizen?
Less about defending it and more about passively disregarding it's immorality as an uncomfortable truth.
Edit: There will always be those who are worse but that doesn't mean we shouldn't strive to be better.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;35064614]Not true.
Remember that [URL="http://facepunch.com/threads/1168466"]LGBT march[/URL] in Mississippi? It was shut down immediately after discovering they didn't have the necessary papers, the article claims one police officer even stated "its illegal to be gay in Mississippi"
I bring up that incident specifically as well since people seem keen on pointing out Russia's dispersal of LGBT parades, while the U.S. is purported to be more than welcoming.[/QUOTE]
Funny is that 49 other states find that appalling, while in Russia they probably find it no problem. The change will come, Russia? Who knows when they will stop being a 2nd world country.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;35064614]Not true.
Remember that [URL="http://facepunch.com/threads/1168466"]LGBT march[/URL] in Mississippi? It was shut down immediately after discovering they didn't have the necessary papers, the article claims one police officer even stated "its illegal to be gay in Mississippi"
I bring up that incident specifically as well since people seem keen on pointing out Russia's dispersal of LGBT parades, while the U.S. is purported to be more than welcoming.[/QUOTE]
As I said, not all US states have legalized gay marriage, in fact some (especially southern) states are downright hostile. But, everything I said in the sentences you quote is true. The point I meant to illustrate in my quote was that Russian law enforcement is pressured by the Russian federal govt. to take advantage of clauses and laws in order to undermine the right of assembly in Russia and silence the political opposition. In the US protests are rarely silenced. In the example you site, it seems the entire situation was tainted by homophobia among the local law enforcement (you quote a cop saying a very anti-gay statement) and not indicative of a concentrated effort by the US federal govt. to counter the LGBT movement. It should also be noted that Miss. is particularly known for anti-gay sediment. May I also point out that the protestors in Miss. partnered with an existing rally and were still able to get their message out. Not the case in Russia, where offending protesters are packed aboard police buses to be quickly brought away from their protest site (especially in Moscow).
The Russian govt.'s manipulation of the right to assembly is no secret, and I have many examples that I am willing to provide.
[QUOTE=Marbalo;35067288]If they found it "appalling" they wouldn't have banned gay marriage in the first place. And your claim that in Russia nobody cares is also bullshit when 42.8% of Russians support a legal ban on discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Russia#cite_note-PollAll2005-8[/url][/QUOTE]
You neglect to mention a statistic from the same article, that 43.5% of Russians support re-criminalization of homosexuality. In addition, as of 2008,[URL="http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2008/02/06/poll-exposes-high-levels-of-russian-homophobia/"] 84% of Russians polled find homosexuality morally unacceptable[/URL]. LGBT rights are constantly under attack in Russia. Aeroflot, Russia's national airlines, is infamous for anti-gay prejudice. Moscow Mayor Yury Luzhkov once called gay people "satanic" and Moscow has repeatedly refused to allow LGBT pride parades in the city (in 2006, 2007, and 2008). In terms of legislation, Amnesty International is severely concerned about a bill in St. Petersburg that will limit the freedom of expression of LGBT persons, and damage LGBT support groups for minors. ( [url]http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/info/EUR46/008/2012/en[/url] ) This activity puts Russia on the same level as other extremely anti-gay nations such as Uganda.
[editline]9th March 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Marbalo;35067767][img]http://img.ibtimes.com/www/data/images/full/2011/11/19/192897-us-davis-police-lt-john-pike-dousing-seated-students-with-pepper-spray.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/20/us/california-occupy-pepperspray/index.html[/url]
This isolated incident of police brutality by one officer does nothing to change my statement. The protest was not cancelled or silenced, and in fact continued the next day albeit with more support. In addition, observe the fallout from such an act in the accompanying article. The officer is suspended (his career likely ruined), the chief of campus police is suspended, and the the leadership of the school is shamed. It is unanimous in the school, surrounding community, and nationwide that the one officer acted out of line. I think you are trying to detract from the issue at hand by posting this photo. This photo popularized by the media, is regarded as an example of police brutality, not an example of an attack upon the right of free assembly.
[QUOTE=Marbalo;35067288]If they found it "appalling" they wouldn't have banned gay marriage in the first place. And your claim that in Russia nobody cares is also bullshit when 42.8% of Russians support a legal ban on discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Russia#cite_note-PollAll2005-8[/url][/QUOTE]
Somehow the 58% of other people either don't care (disgusting) or don't support a ban on discrimination (even worse), so you posting that statistic didn't really help
[editline]9th March 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Marbalo;35067767][img]http://img.ibtimes.com/www/data/images/full/2011/11/19/192897-us-davis-police-lt-john-pike-dousing-seated-students-with-pepper-spray.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
Did you watch the full video of the situation? If you did you'd be singing another tune.
[QUOTE=Marbalo;35067767][img]http://img.ibtimes.com/www/data/images/full/2011/11/19/192897-us-davis-police-lt-john-pike-dousing-seated-students-with-pepper-spray.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
That was the result of a private school charter making their actions illegal. No bearing on the government.
[QUOTE=Clementine;35066911]Funny is that 49 other states find that appalling, while in Russia they probably find it no problem. The change will come, Russia? Who knows when they will stop being a 2nd world country.[/QUOTE]
On a side note it's pretty questionable dividing countries into better/worse depending on whos side they were on in the cold war.
[QUOTE=Ridge;35066380]Who here has defended the assassination of someone just because they weren't a US citizen?[/QUOTE]
It was implied that governments that kill their own people are somehow worse than those who kill foreigners.
My point is that someone's nationality has no bearing on how they should be treated.
[QUOTE=Gundevil;35058781]And when Americans were offering money for slaughtering natives and giving their Scalps for cash and conducting military operations to wipe out entire native villages and blowing each other up, the Russians were busy fighting Napoleon, industrializing, and increasing trade.[/QUOTE]
yeah that tsarist russia was awesome with over 80 percent of the population being peasants
lets just ignore the overwhelming amount of entrepreneurs and inventors that america has produced in its short lifespan
[QUOTE=Starpluck;35064614]Not true.
Remember that [URL="http://facepunch.com/threads/1168466"]LGBT march[/URL] in Mississippi? It was shut down immediately after discovering they didn't have the necessary papers, the article claims one police officer even stated "its illegal to be gay in Mississippi"
I bring up that incident specifically as well since people seem keen on pointing out Russia's dispersal of LGBT parades, while the U.S. is purported to be more than welcoming.[/QUOTE]
One thing to take note of is that this wouldn't have happened in many other states. If Russia has anything close to what we have in the system of states, their provinces can be somewhat autonomous form the Federal Government and have their own distinct cultural views on Sexuality. Just compare a state like Tennessee to Massachusetts, neither represent the whole of the nation.
Doesn't neccessary mean that russia isn't right, USA does have it's own set of human rights violation and supporting other agencies/countries to do the dirty work for them.
147% of rights will be respected
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