Naked young man on acid murdered by police officer, officer cleared of wrongdoing.
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[QUOTE=Harry3;39852781]Cant believe people are trying to justify shooting dead an obviously drugged, naked, unarmed 18 year old. Fucking unreal.[/QUOTE]
Him being drugged only makes him more dangerous, remember the Miami Cannibal incident? He was a naked, obviously drugged and unarmed but he still tore a man's face off before being put down.
[QUOTE=squids_eye;39852778]Cops shoot to kill, not maim. Also, shooting someone in the leg can kill just as fast as shooting them in center mass if the bullet tears through an artery.[/QUOTE]
But the likelihood of that happening with a leg shot in comparison to near always fatal lung or heart shot is remarkably unlikely.
I don't ask why the cop didn't do something else, I'm asking HOW could his actions have gone instead if how they just went.
Police brutality? This is a case of police training overpowering a human response, whatever it may have been.
I would personally have kicked him in his balls.
[QUOTE=hovergroovie;39852917]Police brutality? This is a case of police training overpowering a human response, whatever it may have been.
I would personally have kicked him in his balls.[/QUOTE]
Yes because clearly you are more calm, collective and capable than a police officer and you would of been human enough to not fire the gun.
Get real, it's easy to sit in your comfy chair and talk about how you would of masterfully handled the situation, but I bet you any non police officer in that situation would of shot him too.
[QUOTE=Snowmew;39851742]Never confront an unidentified threat with a less-lethal weapon unless you have someone providing you with lethal backup. Police weapons training 101.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=deadoon;39851770]He drew the weapon before confrontation to check what the banging was about, he was going into an unknown situation prepared[/QUOTE]
can no one see how this whole philosophy of action is scary as shit? we're all here saying "this is standard police procedure so it's okay" but the fact that this is standard procedure is fucking mental
why the hell is it necessary to draw a firearm to investigate banging on a window? my first thought to banging on a window is "some stupid kid is drunk" not "we're being attacked by a hostile threat. better get my lethal weapon out and ready". if this was some other country the police officer would have gone to investigate the issue as a serviceman to the community, questioning the 'threat' and then responding defensively if necessary, not as a gun for hire
and we're talking fucking campus police here, not harlem
Why didnt he call backup if he felt so threatened that he had to go outside to "investigate" with his gun drawn. If this had been the UK, and the officer hadnt had a gun, he wouldve had to call backup then had multiple officers move in and restrain him.
I dont care what police procedure says, drawing your gun should be the absolute last resort. Especially when your a campus police officer faced by a naked guy banging on the windows of your office.
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Its hardly Assault on Precinct 13
i want to go to my local police station and bang on the windows naked at night and i can assure you that a few guys would come out and say "what the fuck are you doing you little shit" and then tackle me and that would be the end of it and i wouldn't even be shot not even once! what an incredible country i live in
See what I really don't get is why this guy went out and checked what was going on with his gun drawn, when he is campus security.
Surely to fucking God he's encountered drunk people before, whether or not the kid is flipping his tits on psychedelics, you don't approach with a gun drawn.
I'd bet my left nut that if the cop hadn't went out with his gun drawn the kid would be alive, because when you're off your tits and someone comes at you with a gun you're probably gonna be terrified you're about to be shot and try and deal with them.
Setting aside all the speculation about the argument how nothing (pepper spray, tazer, baton) might have proven all that effective and that shooting him dead was the only way to be sure (which is a pretty worrying way of thinking in my eyes), approaching the affair from that angle is not what counts in my eyes.
The guy was a police officer. Why do we have police? To defuse situations like these to the safety of the involved. Is it a police officers job to to jump to the most extreme measures to protect their own safety at the slightest hint of danger? Fucking no. This is not acceptable in any way, ever. If this is what the public thinks police is all about, why bother with training? Just hire a bunch of goons with guns, the result would be the same. Police officers need to be calm, collected and resort to any form of violence if someone else's life is in danger. Their own safety comes last. This whole bullshit about "how would YOU feel if you were approached by a naked, screaming man ect. ect" is invalid because none of us are police officers. We can be concerned about our own safety all we want, we are the citizens, we are to be protected. Sounds harsh? Is that too much to ask of the poor, overworked officers? No, it is why we HAVE BLOODY POLICE. This is why we have training, this is why it is a special job with special requirements. Someone to put themselves between the affected citizens to make sure everyone is unhurt, victim or culprit at the risk of their own safety.
What so worries me about this attitude is that some people instantly connect "police" with "Violence". Violence is only a small part of police work and not a responsibility but a right to be used as a last resort.
Maybe my opinion is just an european thing though. But I sure do think that the entire policing system is totally fundamentally fucked in some places, not just america of course
[QUOTE=Jebus;39852690]Try to justify it all you want, the situation was avoidable and somebody died who didn't have to[/QUOTE]Unless you can see the future you can't know for sure. What if the naked dude withstood the spray or the taser missed, and then he beats the cop dead? Just because he is naked doesn't mean he is not a threat. If he could get close enough to the cop, there's a high chance of things going badly anyway.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;39853317]Unless you can see the future you can't know for sure. What if the naked dude withstood the spray or the taser missed, and then he beats the cop dead? Just because he is naked doesn't mean he is not a threat. If he could get close enough to the cop, there's a high chance of things going badly anyway.[/QUOTE]
I find it funny that you think the kid would actually have attacked the cop no matter what.
The kid was clearly terrified, tripping balls, and most likely wanted help (why the fuck else would you run to a police station and start smacking the window when you're naked and tripping balls?)
I bet if the cop went out without his gun drawn and just talked to the kid and asked him if needed any help then the kid would still be alive with a really embarassing story to tell folk.
[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;39853329]I find it funny that you think the kid would actually have attacked the cop no matter what.
The kid was clearly terrified, tripping balls, and most likely wanted help (why the fuck else would you run to a police station and start smacking the window when you're naked and tripping balls?)
I bet if the cop went out without his gun drawn and just talked to the kid and asked him if needed any help then the kid would still be alive with a really embarassing story to tell folk.[/QUOTE]
I find it funny that you think that. He was on strong hallucinogens. Unless sure, assume the worst.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;39853332]I find it funny that you think that. He was on strong hallucinogens. Unless sure, assume the worst.[/QUOTE]
Oh wow yeah I forgot, haullicongens turn you into a psycopathic murder beast, hell bent on consuming your own weight in blood.
He's a fucking cop, his job is to keep things calm, not pull out his gun and check who tapped on a window. He works on a fucking university campus, that shit must have been relatively routine for him.
[QUOTE=squids_eye;39852826]Him being drugged only makes him more dangerous, remember the Miami Cannibal incident? He was a naked, obviously drugged and unarmed but he still tore a man's face off before being put down.[/QUOTE]
didn't their toxicology reports show that the only drug in his system was marijuana?
How exactly is a drugged naked man a threat?
[QUOTE=Scot;39853476]How exactly is a drugged naked man a threat?[/QUOTE]
the drugs imbue his muscles with satan strenght, the kiss of his knuckles will be instantly fatal to any man you fool
edit: good looks are worth atleast thrice a mans life
[QUOTE=Jebus;39852690]Try to justify it all you want, the situation was avoidable and somebody died who didn't have to[/QUOTE]
You're right, it was avoidable. The kid could have not taken a designer drug with strong hallucinogenic effects without a bunch of people there to make sure he didn't do something dumb.
It's been covered over and over that the cop did nothing wrong, in as much as defending yourself from a drugged out, naked man charging you is "nothing wrong"
[QUOTE=squids_eye;39852826]Him being drugged only makes him more dangerous, remember the Miami Cannibal incident? He was a naked, obviously drugged and unarmed but he still tore a man's face off before being put down.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=itisjuly;39853332]I find it funny that you think that. He was on strong hallucinogens. Unless sure, assume the worst.[/QUOTE]
Just because DARE tells you that hallucinogens make you turn into a murderous psycho doesn't mean they actually do. LSD doesn't make people homicidal.
My god so many bullshit ideas towards both how police have to act and drugs.
25I-NBOMe's = acid hahaha. Not really. Two totally different drugs
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[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;39853599]Just because DARE tells you that hallucinogens make you turn into a murderous psycho doesn't mean they actually do. LSD doesn't make people homicidal.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. LSD makes you happy. When you start to feel bad, your trip starts to feel scary and you get a little freaked out, but as long as you know you're on acid and you tell yourself that, you'll be fine. If you start having a bad trip, you're not gonna run around killing people. You'll probably just cry and be scared.
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[QUOTE=itisjuly;39853332]I find it funny that you think that. He was on strong hallucinogens. Unless sure, assume the worst.[/QUOTE]
Yeah clearly, so make no fucking attempt to preserve an 18 year old's life by restraining him or pulling a gun on him, just shoot him and "assume the worst".
[editline]9th March 2013[/editline]
I realize drugs can do some crazy shit but aren't cops trained specifically to be able to restrain and arrest people
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;39853599]Just because DARE tells you that hallucinogens make you turn into a murderous psycho doesn't mean they actually do. LSD doesn't make people homicidal.[/QUOTE]
I didn't say that it turns you into a full on psycho but you can't deny it makes you a little unpredictable. The cop probably had no idea what drug he was on, depending on what they are using a drugged up person can just shake off a lot of less-lethal weapons. Hell, sometimes they can take a shot to the chest and keep on coming at you.
[QUOTE=Nitro836;39852828]But the likelihood of that happening with a leg shot in comparison to near always fatal lung or heart shot is remarkably unlikely.
I don't ask why the cop didn't do something else, I'm asking HOW could his actions have gone instead if how they just went.[/QUOTE]
Why would he shoot for the leg? There's a good chance he would miss, and it might not even put him down
[QUOTE=itisjuly;39853332]I find it funny that you think that. He was on strong hallucinogens. Unless sure, assume the worst.[/QUOTE]
how exactly can you just "assume the worst" when that explicitly means killing a dude who just happened to look very, very suspicious?? other than being naked and banging on a window one time there was absolutely nothing to suggest that this was someone to be totally murderized at any given opportunity
[QUOTE=Cone;39854041]how exactly can you just "assume the worst" when that explicitly means killing a dude who just happened to look very, very suspicious?? other than being naked and banging on a window one time there was absolutely nothing to suggest that this was someone to be totally murderized at any given opportunity[/QUOTE]
According to the article he was acting aggressively in an "athletic stance". It's not like he was just standing there twiddling his thumbs.
-tmi- :v:
[QUOTE=Cactusman;39852481]I'm pretty sure someone hallucinating would back off and probably be on the floor writhing in pain if he was pepper sprayed or shot by a Taser.[/QUOTE]
na the times ive been tripping balls if something like that happened I would freak the fuck out and just writhing in pain would not be an option, pain is really different when you are tripping and easier to ignore, its almost a different sensation, also I would not really be able to understand what had happened to me if I was balls to the walls tripping and would probably think the man holding the pain device was a severe threat
[QUOTE=squids_eye;39853996]I didn't say that it turns you into a full on psycho but you can't deny it makes you a little unpredictable.[/QUOTE]
Only if you take a large dose. What a lot of these articles neglect is that all these are the result of massive, unusual doze-sizes so instead it paints the impression that these are potential side-effects (disassociation-frenzy) .
[QUOTE=Dr. Ethan Asia;39851754]I was under the impression that when you're facing someone who's displaying signs of being on drugs, the general idea is that tazers and pepper sprays aren't likely to do much? I might be wrong but it makes sense.[/QUOTE]
3 pages late but tazers work by sending electrical signals to the muscles. So long as the barbs contact skin - YOU CANNOT RESIST if the tazer is working properly. It's not a matter of hulking out and working through the pain. Your muscles are literally given instructions to lock up and you'll fall over like a sack of bricks.
[QUOTE=squids_eye;39854160]According to the article he was acting aggressively in an "athletic stance". It's not like he was just standing there twiddling his thumbs.[/QUOTE]
so the policy for a naked person grunting a bit, banging on a window and looking like he's coming in from a run is to shoot him square in the chest in case he spontaneously decides to eat someone's skin or something? certainly doesn't sound like cause to straight-up kill a dude in any case, especially not when non-lethal options are easily available
[QUOTE=scout1;39854356]3 pages late but tazers work by sending electrical signals to the muscles. So long as the barbs contact skin - YOU CANNOT RESIST if the tazer is working properly. It's not a matter of hulking out and working through the pain. Your muscles are literally given instructions to lock up and you'll fall over like a sack of bricks.[/QUOTE]
There have been a few rare cases where tasers hit, discharge properly, and people can still keep moving around (albeit slowly and more limited). Usually not exclusively the result of drug use, but it has happened before, much like how dumping a handful of hollow points into a guy might not stop him either. As much as I like tasers, they are surprisingly simple devices ("let's just shoot a few thousand volts through these probes and see what happens") and it's possible to override them internally, but it's still more likely to miss or malfunction anyway.
[QUOTE=Cone;39854426]so the policy for a naked person grunting a bit, banging on a window and looking like he's coming in from a run is to shoot him square in the chest in case he spontaneously decides to eat someone's skin or something? certainly doesn't sound like cause to straight-up kill a dude in any case, especially not when non-lethal options are easily available[/QUOTE]
This is why I said back on the first page that I'm not going to pass judgement on what happened, because last I checked, the officer isn't a Facepunch user so all we have is some potentially inaccurate media reports and personal biases to go on. Clearly there was more than just "oh no there is a man outside POP POP POP" so your theoretical scenario is probably grossly oversimplified. As the old saying goes, you don't know man, you weren't there.
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