• Naked young man on acid murdered by police officer, officer cleared of wrongdoing.
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Are you guys for fucking real - Cops cannot disable an enemy as that would be cruel - He wouldn't of stopped if they pepper sprayed him, whacked him with his stick, tazered whatever, he would of brushed that off - Cops are designed to kill and cops are designed to eliminate a threat if they are going to harm themselves or others around them just think about it, a lot of you appose to being able to carry your own firearm, you see this dude banging on your windows and shit, what do you do? Attempt to reason? Fuck no you'd shoot him, let's get real here
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;39860115]Are you guys for fucking real - Cops cannot disable an enemy as that would be cruel - He wouldn't of stopped if they pepper sprayed him, whacked him with his stick, tazered whatever, he would of brushed that off - Cops are designed to kill and cops are designed to eliminate a threat if they are going to harm themselves or others around them just think about it, a lot of you appose to being able to carry your own firearm, you see this dude banging on your windows and shit, what do you do? Attempt to reason? Fuck no you'd shoot him, let's get real here[/QUOTE] 25i doesn't make you some sort of super soldier it just makes you trip, i had a mate who spazzed out on acid his first time and i was able to hold him down and keep him from doing anything fucked and i'm skinny as fuck and don't know shit about restraining people
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;39860231]25i doesn't make you some sort of super soldier it just makes you trip, i had a mate who spazzed out on acid his first time and i was able to hold him down and keep him from doing anything fucked and i'm skinny as fuck and don't know shit about restraining people[/QUOTE] Ok, and how was the officer to know he was on 25i and not something like pcp or meth? He had the gun drawn before actually seeing the suspect and was far closer than is safe to change his weapon for a "more suitable" one.
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;39860115]Are you guys for fucking real 1 Cops cannot disable an enemy as that would be cruel 2 He wouldn't of stopped if they pepper sprayed him, whacked him with his stick, tazered whatever, he would of brushed that off 3 Cops are designed to kill and cops are designed to eliminate a threat if they are going to harm themselves or others around them [/QUOTE] Re-numbered 1. disable people all the time. Tasers temp disable the subject. 2. We will never know. cant make assumptions as some people are unaffected by mace. 3. Cops are human, not machines. They have the ability to make their own decisions. They are to intervene and prevent harm - not destroy or kill it necessarily.
[QUOTE=deadoon;39860270]Ok, and how was the officer to know he was on 25i and not something like pcp or meth? He had the gun drawn before actually seeing the suspect and was far closer than is safe to change his weapon for a "more suitable" one.[/QUOTE] pcp or meth wouldn't have made it any different, cops are (supposed to be) very physically fit and knowledgeable in restraining suspects, even ones that are larger than them (which i doubt some 18yo uni student was). why do people have this idea that drugs somehow make people super strong killing machines? would you feel the same way if the dude was just drunk? because alcohol makes people violent and less susceptible to pain as well [editline]10th March 2013[/editline] and you're acting like him going for the gun first is somehow reasonable
[QUOTE=areolop;39860283]Re-numbered 1. disable people all the time. Tasers temp disable the subject. 2. We will never know. cant make assumptions as some people are unaffected by mace. 3. Cops are human, not machines. They have the ability to make their own decisions. They are to intervene and prevent harm - not destroy or kill it necessarily.[/QUOTE] You missed that each of those is a standard face punch response to situations. 1. Taser is not an option in this case, unavailable. 2. Target was too close for comfort, and he had no backup, so non-lethal methods are doubly out. 3.Yes, they can make decisions, but in this case the only options that were viable and minimized potential damage were to use the weapon available immediately(already in his hand) or risk his own injury, which if he chooses the latter he isn't that bright. [editline]9th March 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Lachz0r;39860349]pcp or meth wouldn't have made it any different, cops are (supposed to be) very physically fit and knowledgeable in restraining suspects, even ones that are larger than them (which i doubt some 18yo uni student was). why do people have this idea that drugs somehow make people super strong killing machines? would you feel the same way if the dude was just drunk? because alcohol makes people violent and less susceptible to pain as well [editline]10th March 2013[/editline] and you're acting like him going for the gun first is somehow reasonable[/QUOTE] No taser, and no lethal carrying backup. he was investigating a situation, which can be extremely dangerous, and if there was no threat to him he can easily place the gun back in the holster. An officer is supposed to enter any area where the current situation is unknown armed.
Just because someone is on something doesnt mean you cant use other options. You make it look like the weapon was the ONLY way he could have solved this -- which it wasnt.
[QUOTE=areolop;39860556]Just because someone is on something doesnt mean you cant use other options. You make it look like the weapon was the ONLY way he could have solved this -- which it wasnt.[/QUOTE] Pepper spray, baton, handgun. You are leaving a safe area to one which has a guy banging on the windows of a police station, what are you carrying?
[QUOTE=deadoon;39860594]Pepper spray, baton, handgun. You are leaving a safe area to one which has a guy banging on the windows of a police station, what are you carrying?[/QUOTE] Observe the camera, see the man is unarmed and naked, approach with nothing. Then go from there.
[QUOTE=areolop;39860609]Observe the camera, see the man is unarmed and naked, approach with nothing. Then go from there.[/QUOTE] Ok, where is this tape footage that the news touts around and prosecutors worked from, and what says that it was immediately accessible within the station to him at that time?
[QUOTE=deadoon;39860405]You missed that each of those is a standard face punch response to situations. 1. Taser is not an option in this case, unavailable. 2. Target was too close for comfort, and he had no backup, so non-lethal methods are doubly out. 3.Yes, they can make decisions, but in this case the only options that were viable and minimized potential damage were to use the weapon available immediately(already in his hand) or risk his own injury, which if he chooses the latter he isn't that bright. [editline]9th March 2013[/editline] No taser, and no lethal carrying backup. he was investigating a situation, which can be extremely dangerous, and if there was no threat to him he can easily place the gun back in the holster. An officer is supposed to enter any area where the current situation is unknown armed.[/QUOTE] any maybe this stupid policy and way of looking at shit is why so many people get shot by cops [editline]10th March 2013[/editline] cops here in nz don't even carry guns unless it's very special circumstances, and alot of our criminals smoke SUPER-SERUM METH
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;39860820]any maybe this stupid policy and way of looking at shit is why so many people get shot by cops [editline]10th March 2013[/editline] cops here in nz don't even carry guns unless it's very special circumstances, and alot of our criminals smoke SUPER-SERUM METH[/QUOTE] To counter the first point, this is no different than responding to a blank tone 911 call, you don't know what is going on at all and you are busting down the door into a situation that has no defined factors other than someone has a problem. Robbery in progress could be one example. For the second, cops need guns because guns are prolific in the populace, you don't want a police force that is unable to respond to situations where police intervention is truly needed immediately to be delayed by lack of equipment for their job. A handgun allows for at least limiting the spread of a bad situation.
[QUOTE=deadoon;39860871]To counter the first point, this is no different than responding to a blank tone 911 call, you don't know what is going on at all and you are busting down the door into a situation that has no defined factors other than someone has a problem. Robbery in progress could be one example. For the second, cops need guns because guns are prolific in the populace, you don't want a police force that is unable to respond to situations where police intervention is truly needed immediately to be delayed by lack of equipment for their job. A handgun allows for at least limiting the spread of a bad situation.[/QUOTE] what? someone knocked on their window how is that the same as what you're saying? and uh, this dude clearly had no weapons? and you'd think we'd need way more guns to combat the unstoppable criminals after they smoke mega meth.
I think if he shot the guy, he must have thought he was a threat to his life. Campus police wouldn't just randomly shoot someone, they're just there to protect students and enforce campus policy, I really doubt his first thought to hearing banging on the windows was "I get to shoot someone!" I'm not arguing that it isn't tragic, because it is tragic, but ultimately they're both victims of circumstance - the kid for taking so much 25i that he became delirious, and the cop for thinking that his life was in danger when faced with a naked weirdo up in his face. And if any of you think that the cop doesn't feel remorse or empathy for that, you're daft. He'll have to live with that for the rest of his life. [editline]9th March 2013[/editline] By the way, OP, that title is a fucking joke, seriously. Don't mix LSD up with weird research chemicals. I know it's SH but come on.
[QUOTE=deadoon;39860741]Ok, where is this tape footage that the news touts around and prosecutors worked from, and what says that it was immediately accessible within the station to him at that time?[/QUOTE] Its a fucking police station. Shit, my station has 16 cameras that are always available to watch. Every officer knows that. Not having access to the cameras at the station is like having a police car but no gas.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;39861032]what? someone knocked on their window how is that the same as what you're saying? and uh, this dude clearly had no weapons? and you'd think we'd need way more guns to combat the unstoppable criminals after they smoke mega meth.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Collar allegedly banged on the campus police station's windows, prompting Officer Trevis Austin to exit the station -- gun drawn -- to investigate.[/QUOTE] He had no idea the situation, and had the gun drawn while investigating. [QUOTE=areolop;39861091]Its a fucking police station. Shit, my station has 16 cameras that are always available to watch. Every officer knows that. Not having access to the cameras at the station is like having a police car but no gas.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]immediately accessible[/QUOTE] If it is a small campus police station, it is unlikely he was right next to some dedicated monitors for the single guy there to watch constantly. Is it is too low res even with the cameras he may have no idea what is going on.
Running naked at a police officer? Sounds like PCP
Just saying, wouldn't pepper spraying a naked person be way more effective? I don't really want to imagine police grade pepper spray to the dick.
i really don't see how it being an unknown situation justifies lethal force
[QUOTE=Crimor;39861592]Just saying, wouldn't pepper spraying a naked person be way more effective? I don't really want to imagine police grade pepper spray to the dick.[/QUOTE] Guy's on some sort of hallucinogenic, and the officer has no clue which one. Hell, drug up a man enough, and he won't feel a God damn thing.
Two words: South. Alabama.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;39861608]i really don't see how it being an unknown situation justifies lethal force[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=deadoon;39860594]Pepper spray, baton, handgun. You are leaving a safe area to one which has a guy banging on the windows of a police station, what are you carrying?[/QUOTE] If the situation is safe, he can holster whatever he chose, you forget he had no backup so if his choice was insufficient, he had nobody to use a more powerful device. Do you make sure a situation is safe with pepper spray?
[QUOTE=H4ngman;39853098]Setting aside all the speculation about the argument how nothing (pepper spray, tazer, baton) might have proven all that effective and that shooting him dead was the only way to be sure (which is a pretty worrying way of thinking in my eyes), approaching the affair from that angle is not what counts in my eyes. The guy was a police officer. Why do we have police? To defuse situations like these to the safety of the involved. Is it a police officers job to to jump to the most extreme measures to protect their own safety at the slightest hint of danger? Fucking no. This is not acceptable in any way, ever. If this is what the public thinks police is all about, why bother with training? Just hire a bunch of goons with guns, the result would be the same. Police officers need to be calm, collected and resort to any form of violence if someone else's life is in danger. Their own safety comes last. This whole bullshit about "how would YOU feel if you were approached by a naked, screaming man ect. ect" is invalid because none of us are police officers. We can be concerned about our own safety all we want, we are the citizens, we are to be protected. Sounds harsh? Is that too much to ask of the poor, overworked officers? No, it is why we HAVE BLOODY POLICE. This is why we have training, this is why it is a special job with special requirements. Someone to put themselves between the affected citizens to make sure everyone is unhurt, victim or culprit at the risk of their own safety. What so worries me about this attitude is that some people instantly connect "police" with "Violence". Violence is only a small part of police work and not a responsibility but a right to be used as a last resort. Maybe my opinion is just an european thing though. But I sure do think that the entire policing system is totally fundamentally fucked in some places, not just america of course[/QUOTE] Now, I'm European as well, and I think it was kinda extreme to shoot the guy, but I don't think the police officer necessarily did the wrong thing. Now the, the problem here is that you got it completely wrong at the starting point pretty much. Yes, police officers are here to protect and so on, but their own safety comes first. The police isn't supposed to be heroes, or die a martyr death for justice, they're just normal people doing their job. They should definitely try to avoid fatalities, but the police isn't here to die for you either.
[QUOTE=Moustacheman;39861617]Guy's on some sort of hallucinogenic, and the officer has no clue which one. Hell, drug up a man enough, and he won't feel a God damn thing.[/QUOTE] Psychedelics make you much more uncoordinated, sloppy, and clumsy than you think.
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