Gun retailers stop selling guns and ammo to police - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Timebomb575;39699815]Are you surprised? If you could have the option of basically instant self defense capability as opposed to waiting for the cops, you wouldnt take iit? Even if the police are 5 minutes away, thats a long time when your life is in danger[/QUOTE] i'd rather take the miniscule (seriously, tiny) chance that someone's going to break into my house and murder me in my sleep than have firearms in the hands of civilians

[QUOTE=Generic.Monk;39699837]i'd rather take the miniscule (seriously, tiny) chance that someone's going to break into my house and murder me in my sleep than have firearms in the hands of civilians[/QUOTE] So because you're scared of guns you don't believe people deserve the right to defend themselves Who's the psychopath here again

[QUOTE=teh pirate;39699827]It means the statistics don't support the conclusions you've pulled out of your ass because you're scared of guns[/QUOTE] I'm not scared of guns, I just don't feel like they're necessary in the 21st century. They have their uses, well, use, but they have no business being in the hands of the general public.

[QUOTE=Generic.Monk;39699846]I'm not scared of guns, I just don't feel like they're necessary in the 21st century. They have their uses but they have no business being in the hands of the general public.[/QUOTE] But you can't explain why without fallacious arguments linking them to things they don't even compare to, making baseless, unsubstantiated claims about them, or calling people stupid for disagreeing with you You're scared of guns

[QUOTE=teh pirate;39699845]So because you're scared of guns you don't believe people deserve the right to defend themselves Who's the psychopath here again[/QUOTE] I'm not scared of guns, don't put words in my fucking mouth. And no-one's calling anyone a psychopath except you. I morally disagree with allowing civilians to have guns, I didn't say I oppose their right to defend themselves. You're fucking deluded.

[QUOTE=Marbalo;39699860]you're missing my point i'm aware of self-defense laws. that is not what i'm talking about. i'm talking about american society. if you can't see anything wrong with average, everyday citizens owning lethal firearms out of fear and paranoia that the next time they leave the house they'll get mugged or beaten then i have no way of reaching out to you. think global, is this really the type of country you'd want to live in?[/QUOTE] It's not fear and paranoia, it's an acknowledgment of the fact that something can go wrong and we don't want to be the deer in the headlights if it happens. People who carry firearms are well aware that they'll likely never need to use it. They [I]hope[/I] they'll never need to use it. But if a situation does happen, it's better to have someone there who's prepared to deal with it, because you just can't keep policemen everywhere at all times.

[QUOTE=teh pirate;39699851]But you can't explain why without fallacious arguments linking them to things they don't even compare to, making baseless, unsubstantiated claims about them, or calling people stupid for disagreeing with you You're scared of guns[/QUOTE] I haven't linked them with anything in this thread. I haven't called anyone stupid except you, right now, you're thick as pig shit

[QUOTE=Generic.Monk;39699870]I'm not scared of guns, don't put words in my fucking mouth. And no-one's calling anyone a psychopath except you. [B]I morally disagree with allowing civilians to have guns[/B], I didn't say I oppose their right to defend themselves. You're fucking deluded.[/QUOTE] Yet you can't or won't explain why, so it seems to boil down to you being afraid of them [editline]24th February 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Generic.Monk;39699878]I haven't linked them with anything in this thread. I haven't called anyone stupid except you, right now, you're thick as pig shit[/QUOTE] Grade A debater [editline]24th February 2013[/editline] "If you can't explain why guns should be banned it's probably because you're afraid of them" "WOW FUCK YOU MAN FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU"

[QUOTE=teh pirate;39699879]Yet you can't or won't explain why, so it seems to boil down to you being afraid of them [editline]24th February 2013[/editline] Grade A debater[/QUOTE] [h2]because instruments with the express purpose of killing/maiming human beings serve no purpose in a civilized first world country. there's no need, the potential for accidents or misuse isn't worth the self defense advantage that you most likely won't ever need in your entire life[/h2]

[QUOTE=Generic.Monk;39699893][h2]because instruments with the express purpose of killing/maiming human beings serve no purpose in a civilized first world country[/h2][/QUOTE] [h2]Ah yes let's use very big font to make our point seem more valid instead of acting like civilized people Can you explain why they don't serve a purpose when we've clarified that they're very good for self & home defense? Is that not good enough for you?[/h2] [editline]24th February 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Marbalo;39699900]yes, because you are afraid. do you not even understand what you're saying here? saying "just in case shit goes bad" means you are very much afraid of shit going bad because shit is going bad a lot in your area/country. this is not a difficult concept to grasp. and again, police can't be everywhere at all times, but they should try their best to curb crime in general. nation-wide. the less crime there is, the less likely you'll be mugged, and the less afraid you and others will be.[/QUOTE] There are preventative measures everywhere, in all things, even for the most unlikely scenarios. I don't see why we should gamble with lives in the hope that the police are doing enough to curb crime.

[QUOTE=Generic.Monk;39699893][h2]because instruments with the express purpose of killing/maiming human beings serve no purpose in a civilized first world country[/h2][/QUOTE] Id say self-defense is a pretty damn good purpose. If no crime occured ever then yeah I wouldnt need a gun for protection, but until that day, Im going to put more trust in my abilty to defend myself than the polices ability to get ro me instantly.

[QUOTE=teh pirate;39699903][h2]Ah yes let's use very big font to make our point seem more valid instead of acting like civilized people Can you explain why they don't serve a purpose when we've clarified that they're very good for self & home defense? Is that not good enough for you?[/h2] [/QUOTE] because I don't know about you but I don't need to fight off attackers, uh, ever. I'd wager there are more accidents and misuses of guns than there are successful self'/home defenses

[QUOTE=Generic.Monk;39699944]because I don't know about you but I don't need to fight off attackers, uh, ever. I'd wager there are more accidents and misuses of guns than there are successful self'/home defenses[/QUOTE] You'd wager wrong then, in my area I can think of 14 people who have used a firearm for defense in the past year and 0 who have accidentally killed or hurt themselves with it That's just people [I]I[/I] know

[QUOTE=teh pirate;39699903] There are preventative measures everywhere, in all things, even for the most unlikely scenarios. I don't see why we should gamble with lives in the hope that the police are doing enough to curb crime.[/QUOTE] YOU DON'T LIVE IN SYRIA. You live in the US, one of the richest countries in the world and the world's only hyperpower. Danger isn't lurking around every corner, you're not gambling with your life every time you go outside without 14 uzis strapped to your waist and an M60 under your pillow. You honestly sound like the one who's afraid, since you don't feel secure enough to live with your fellow men without the ability to blow someone's face off if things go south.

[QUOTE=Generic.Monk;39699944]there are more accidents and misuses of guns than there are successful self'/home defenses[/QUOTE] oh boy Top Tip: You don't hear about successful self/home defense with guns in the news because [I]things working the way they're supposed to isn't news[/I]

[QUOTE=Generic.Monk;39699964]YOU DON'T LIVE IN SYRIA. You live in the US, one of the richest countries in the world and the world's only hyperpower. Danger isn't lurking around every corner, you're not gambling with your life every time you go outside without 14 uzis strapped to your waist and an M60 under your pillow. You honestly sound like the one who's afraid, since you don't feel secure enough to live with your fellow men without the ability to blow someone's face off if things go south.[/QUOTE] What the fuck kind of reasoning is this? Preventative measures don't equate to a [I]fear[/I] that something is going to go wrong, but an acknowledgment that it [I]could[/I], and a desire to be protected in that event. Lightning rods come to mind.

[QUOTE=teh pirate;39699951]You'd wager wrong then, in my area I can think of 14 people who have used a firearm for defense in the past year and 0 who have accidentally killed or hurt themselves with it That's just people [I]I[/I] know[/QUOTE] And a criminal will know 14 people who've misused their firearm and 0 people that used it for self defense. What's your point. [editline]24th February 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Generic.Monk;39699964]YOU DON'T LIVE IN SYRIA. You live in the US, one of the richest countries in the world and the world's only hyperpower. Danger isn't lurking around every corner, you're not gambling with your life every time you go outside without 14 uzis strapped to your waist and an M60 under your pillow. You honestly sound like the one who's afraid, since you don't feel secure enough to live with your fellow men without the ability to blow someone's face off if things go south.[/QUOTE] There's no point to discussing because Americans will always be afraid of their own government and fellow citizens.

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;39699985]And a criminal will know 14 people who've misused their firearm and 0 people that used it for self defense. What's your point.[/QUOTE] wtf? Are you fishing for zings or what? What's [I]your[/I] point? Why don't you try making an argument instead of meaningless drivel like this?

[QUOTE=Generic.Monk;39699964]YOU DON'T LIVE IN SYRIA. You live in the US, one of the richest countries in the world and the world's only hyperpower. Danger isn't lurking around every corner[/QUOTE] This just in: even in the first world there's plenty of criminal-filled shitholes where you might need something serious to protect yourself with. Also you're making it sound like the US is the only first world country that allows civilian ownership of firearms and carrying for self-defense, while actually you can do the same thing in a lot of EU states.

[QUOTE=jimhowl33t;39700005]This just in: even in the first world there's plenty of criminal-filled shitholes where you might need something serious to protect yourself with. Also you're making it sound like the US is the only first world country that allows civilian ownership of firearms and carrying for self-defense, while actually you can do the same thing in a lot of EU states.[/QUOTE] What? No. In the first world, [I]everyone[/I] wears a nice suit and drives a nice car and lives in a nice house with nice neighbors and would never think about wronging someone else. Ever. Period. No matter what.

[QUOTE=teh pirate;39700001]wtf? Are you fishing for zings or what? What's [I]your[/I] point? Why don't you try making an argument instead of meaningless drivel like this?[/QUOTE] Your little anecdote means nothing, post actual statistics if you want to prove anything.

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;39700021]Your little anecdote means nothing, post actual statistics if you want to prove anything.[/QUOTE] We've been through the statistics a million times and all you lot do is blow it off and say they aren't representative of how it really is, even though you don't live here and have no fucking right to tell people who do "how it is"

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;39700021]Your little anecdote means nothing, post actual statistics if you want to prove anything.[/QUOTE] Where's yours?

[QUOTE=jimhowl33t;39700005]This just in: even in the first world there's plenty of criminal-filled shitholes where you might need something serious to protect yourself with. Also you're making it sound like the US is the only first world country that allows civilian ownership of firearms and carrying for self-defense, while actually you can do the same thing in a lot of EU states.[/QUOTE] Self defense is not a valid reason to get a permit in most any EU country, hunting or sports however is in most EU country's. Even in the UK you can get a permit for a shotgun, it's just much, much harder than in the US. [editline]24th February 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Zillamaster55;39700030]Where's yours?[/QUOTE] Why should I post statistics? I'm not the one making a claim here, I'm simply telling that guy that his anecdote is no evidence of anything.

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;39700038]Self defense is not a valid reason to get a permit in most any EU country, hunting or sports however is in most EU country's. Even in the UK you can get a permit for a shotgun, it's just much, much harder than in the US.[/QUOTE] And as an American I think that's a fucking shame and that anyone ought to be able to defend themselves and others without fear of prosecution but that's my personal opinion and it's not my place to tell Europeans how to run their countries So who are you to come in here and tell Americans how to run America?

[QUOTE=teh pirate;39700027]We've been through the statistics a million times and all you lot do is blow it off and say they aren't representative of how it really is, even though you don't live here and have no fucking right to tell people who do "how it is"[/QUOTE] Show me where I've done this in the four posts I've made in this thread. [editline]24th February 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=teh pirate;39700049]And as an American I think that's a fucking shame and that anyone ought to be able to defend themselves and others without fear of prosecution but that's my personal opinion and it's not my place to tell Europeans how to run their countries So who are you to come in here and tell Americans how to run America?[/QUOTE] Seriously, show me where I've done that? I've only asked you to post statistics and nothing more.

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;39700038]Self defense is not a valid reason to get a permit in most any EU country, hunting or sports however is in most EU country's. Even in the UK you can get a permit for a shotgun, it's just much, much harder than in the US. [editline]24th February 2013[/editline] Why should I post statistics? I'm not the one making a claim here, I'm simply telling that guy that his anecdote is no evidence of anything.[/QUOTE] You're obviously backing an anti-gun sentiment, you don't get to sit on the sidelines and make your side appear larger than it is by flinging big words like anecdote and strawman at people you disagree with Participate or leave [editline]24th February 2013[/editline] The burden of proof is on the accuser, not the accused

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;39700038]Self defense is not a valid reason to get a permit in most any EU country, hunting or sports however is in most EU country's.[/QUOTE] do your research before spouting this nonsense please and what's "most any" supposed to mean?

[QUOTE=TestECull;39695708]Fine by me. The police are subject to the law just the same as we are, and if we aren't allowed to buy 30 round magazines because "we don't need them" they shouldn't either. Watch the restrictions disappear overnight.[/QUOTE] Well normal people really don't need 30 round magazines. Those are designed for combat, which is exactly what the police would need it for..

[QUOTE=Kylel999;39700069]Well normal people really don't need 30 round magazines. Those are designed for combat, which is exactly what the police would need it for..[/QUOTE] A lack of need does not justify a ban [editline]24th February 2013[/editline] [B]does [U]not[/U][/B]