Gun retailers stop selling guns and ammo to police - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Kylel999;39700069]Well normal people really don't need 30 round magazines. Those are designed for combat, which is exactly what the police would need it for..[/QUOTE] I'm sorry Piers Morgan but that's not the way things work, read the thread.

[QUOTE=teh pirate;39700058]You're obviously backing an anti-gun sentiment, you don't get to sit on the sidelines and make your side appear larger than it is by flinging big words like anecdote and strawman at people you disagree with Participate or leave [editline]24th February 2013[/editline] The burden of proof is on the accuser, not the accused[/QUOTE] I don't give a shit about the US, you can go shoot each other up all you like with the guns you so love. I'm simply telling you that posting anecdotes proves nothing. Sure the other guy should've posted statistics when making his claim, but you're the one trying to prove a point by numbers that don't mean anything, he's not.

[QUOTE=teh pirate;39699903][h2]Ah yes let's use very big font to make our point seem more valid instead of acting like civilized people Can you explain why they don't serve a purpose when we've clarified that they're very good for self & home defense? Is that not good enough for you?[/h2] [/QUOTE] He said that the rate of accidents and misuse outweighs the actual advantage of self defense. Did you not see it right in the middle of his post

[QUOTE=*Freezorg*;39700063]do your research before spouting this nonsense please and what's "most any" supposed to mean?[/QUOTE] It means that there are some that consider self defense a valid reason, but most do not.

[QUOTE=teh pirate;39700075]A lack of need does not justify a ban [editline]24th February 2013[/editline] [B]does [U]not[/U][/B][/QUOTE] But a potential danger does.

[QUOTE=Kylel999;39700103]But a potential danger does.[/QUOTE] When was the last time 30 round police seeking assault magazines were used in an actual shooting?

[QUOTE=teh pirate;39700058]You're obviously backing an anti-gun sentiment, you don't get to sit on the sidelines and make your side appear larger than it is by flinging big words like anecdote and strawman at people you disagree with Participate or leave [editline]24th February 2013[/editline] The burden of proof is on the accuser, not the accused[/QUOTE] Uh no, the burden of proof is on the one making the claims.

i can't help but laff @ america so many things are in a terrible state, and because guns have been the only thing fighting guns for years and years, they feel that they're incapable of not using guns to combat everything a lot of the world seems to be fine not solving gun problems by throwing massive numbers of plastic weapons at the problem until it disappears, and using that to justify having the guns in the first place. look at the likes of the UK, you CAN buy weapons legally, and they're also easy to buy illegally, but gun crime as a whole is tiiiiiiny. Our police force are at risk, but there was this recent survey thing where most police officers said they wouldn't want to have guns. if police have guns, criminals need guns to combat those guns. Then police and normal people need guns to defend themselves, the cycle keeps going. America has dug itself in to a big enough shithole that just outright banning guns out of nowhere would fuck up people who abide by the law, because there are so many illegally owned guns and people who won't give up the ones they own without a fight. good job edit: half the reason they're good for self defense and home defense is because gun crime is so fucking horrific in america. because there's so many guns. because criminals need to outgun police and people with guns. over here in britland, you're lucky if a home invader has a knife, let alone a gun. well, unlucky. we have a trained branch of the police that use firearms, and people are allowed to defend themselves through non lethal means (tazers/defense spray do work, but most people thin otherwise.)

[QUOTE=Kylel999;39700094]He said that the rate of accidents and misuse outweighs the actual advantage of self defense.[/QUOTE] But didn't post any proof of that. And even if this was true, his solution seems to be "give guns to nobody" which is kind of dumb.

amerca #1

[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;39700138]amerca #1[/QUOTE] land of the "everyone can have a gun! okay no no now bad people have guns now we need more guns that is the only logical solution WHY ARE THERE SO MANY GUNS HELP GIVE ME MORE GUNS i cannot move i am wading through very expensive .308 somebody cal 911"

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[QUOTE=mobrockers2;39700087]I don't give a shit about the US, you can go shoot each other up all you like with the guns you so love.[/QUOTE] This isn't an argument at all, just shitposting

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;39700087]I don't give a shit about the US, you can go shoot each other up all you like with the guns you so love.[/QUOTE] You sure do love to shitpost, don't you.

[QUOTE=mobrockers2;39700087]I don't give a shit about the US, you can go shoot each other up all you like with the guns you so love.[/QUOTE] chronic shitposter extraordinaire

[QUOTE=DeeCeeTeeBee;39700164]land of the "everyone can have a gun! okay no no now bad people have guns now we need more guns that is the only logical solution WHY ARE THERE SO MANY GUNS HELP GIVE ME MORE GUNS i cannot move i am wading through very expensive .308 somebody cal 911"[/QUOTE] Kinda would like to butt in here... Not everyone can get a gun. Under [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_Control_Act_of_1968]GCA 68'[/url], [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act"]NFA 34'[/URL], and some points in [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_Owners_Protection_Act"]FOPA 86'[/URL]; several cases of things such as the NCIS(criminal background/mental background checks via 4473), waiting periods, and otherwise have been implemented within the United States. This is far from allowing everyone to own a firearm, and in some respects the 4473 is somewhat bullcrap in the respects if you are charged with a felony once in your life(drug possesion being one of those), you can never touch a firearm or handle one. IIRC, one of the guys in the gun club can't go hunting with his dad because of this.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;39700261]Kinda would like to butt in here... Not everyone can get a gun. Under [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_Control_Act_of_1968]GCA 68'[/url], [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act"]NFA 34'[/URL], and some points in [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_Owners_Protection_Act"]FOPA 86'[/URL]; several cases of things such as the NCIS(criminal background/mental background checks via 4473), waiting periods, and otherwise have been implemented within the United States. This is far from allowing everyone to own a firearm, and in some respects the 4473 is somewhat bullcrap in the respects if you are charged with a felony once in your life(drug possesion being one of those), you can never touch a firearm or handle one. [B]IIRC, one of the guys in the gun club can't go hunting with his dad because of this.[/B][/QUOTE] boo hoo, a serial killer in training can't stalk and murder innocent creatures with his brand new assault rifle!

[QUOTE=teh pirate;39700115]When was the last time 30 round police seeking assault magazines were used in an actual shooting?[/QUOTE] So that suddenly makes it not a risk lol [editline]24th February 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=DeeCeeTeeBee;39700164]land of the "everyone can have a gun! okay no no now bad people have guns now we need more guns that is the only logical solution WHY ARE THERE SO MANY GUNS HELP GIVE ME MORE GUNS i cannot move i am wading through very expensive .308 somebody cal 911"[/QUOTE] You clearly don't know anything about US law [editline]24th February 2013[/editline] [I]anything[/I]

[QUOTE=Kylel999;39700094]He said that the rate of accidents and misuse outweighs the actual advantage of self defense. Did you not see it right in the middle of his post[/QUOTE] By this logic the Federal Government's rate of accidents and misuse outweighs the actual advantage of 'law enforcement'.

[QUOTE=Kylel999;39700069]Well normal people really don't need 30 round magazines. Those are designed for combat, which is exactly what the police would need it for..[/QUOTE] yes because the police's sole purpose is to engage in 30-round-mag-requiring combat with the evil forces of Cobra.

[QUOTE=Rusty100;39696028]alrighty have fun living in a backwards gun zealot country while the rest of the world just laughs at you i guess?[/QUOTE] Gun culture is the worst. See: this thread.

[QUOTE=rilez;39701064]Gun culture is the worst. See: this thread.[/QUOTE] yes look at these professional moderators engaging in circlejerks and ignoring debate rules that they themselves are supposed to enforce

[QUOTE=rilez;39701064]Gun culture is the worst. See: this thread.[/QUOTE] yeah this thread just reached a new low

[QUOTE=teh pirate;39701144]yes look at these professional moderators engaging in circlejerks and ignoring debate rules that they themselves are supposed to enforce[/QUOTE] I was under the impression that Garry just hovered over his keyboard and took a giant shit on it. Whatever letters the shit touched are bound to randomly elect new moderators. It's nice that the majority of this forum does not approve of the moderators and their childish actions yet no moderators even try to shape up or disprove the fact.

"the moderators disagree with me, they are shit moderators by default"

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;39701704]"the moderators disagree with me, they are shit moderators by default"[/QUOTE] That's not what people are saying at all, actually.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;39701704]"the moderators disagree with me, they are shit moderators by default"[/QUOTE] You contribute nothing to a discussion when you enter it by calling everyone paranoid gun nuts and then going into another thread and banning someone who does the same type of thing in a different argument. It's hypocrisy at it's finest. It's not even disagreeing, it's straight up insulting or flaming a large amount of people.

[QUOTE=Rusty100;39696028]alrighty have fun living in a backwards gun zealot country while the rest of the world just laughs at you i guess?[/QUOTE] you have genuinely awful opinions when it comes to gun control [editline]24th February 2013[/editline] i mean just look at how dumb that sentence sounds

[QUOTE=Apache249;39699002]Oh, your US government teacher said that? [IMG]http://sae.tweek.us/static/images/emoticons/emot-allears.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE] Well arnt you edgy and dont add literally nothing to the conversation.

[QUOTE=No_Excuses;39695865]But the point of the police are to protect civilians. Should they not have a tactical advantaged over the average person?[/QUOTE] there's a great giant flaw when you look at it this way. sure the police need to keep the peace and sure they need an edge. but how much of an edge do they need? and then ask yourself the question, if america had no other choice than to go into all out revolution or civil war, that was necissary to take power away from those who do not deserve it.... what the fuck are normal civilians going to do? the right to bear arms was made up in mind that if america fucks itself to much the citizens can take up arms and unfuck the situation. granted it was probably kept in mind that's a last ditch sort of thing. [editline]24th February 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Rusty100;39695967]Oh, yeah, good idea, stop selling them to the only people who actually need them.[/QUOTE] and what complete and utter bullshit. if they need them so bad then why isn't Brittan overrun with crime?