Gun retailers stop selling guns and ammo to police - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Iago;39696285]I'm not a conservative you have no idea what my political views are, that is generalization.[/QUOTE] thats like complaining that you're not someone with red hair after i wrote a statement addressing people with red hair

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;39696273]i don't trust cops with guns anymore than i'd trust average people with guns so yeah if average people can't have them i don't think cops should either[/QUOTE] That sort of hippy logic doesn't' fly around her.

I'm honestly fine with this. If politicians want to restrict the kind of firearms and ammunition that civilians can own, that is within their authority. However, police are civilians too. They are NOT military, so they too should not have access to military-grade weapons that civilians cannot own. But, this move doesn't matter, the big gun manufacturers would never give up the revenue.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;39696273]i don't trust cops with guns anymore than i'd trust average people with guns so yeah if average people can't have them i don't think cops should either[/QUOTE] So the cops just sit there while we have a person with an illegally aquired gun just waving it around. Sounds like a genius fucking idea to me.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;39696290]Oh god, CTD is on that list :v: No one will have it from them, civilian or police alike, without having to sell all of their belongings.[/QUOTE] For someone who isn't obsessed with firearms, what is CTD?

[QUOTE=Kopimi;39696239] hi hello this isn't generalization this is literally what you guys have been saying and if you haven't then i'm not talking about you thanks[/QUOTE] Not that I really like the idea of people owning big guns all over but you're basically saying "im not generalizing but im generalizing" If us Americans really want to start talking about owning firearms then at least we should start by cutting down on crime. Not selling guns to the police is a step completely backwards from what should be done. Even then, nobody should really need a heavy weapon for defense.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;39696266]i seriously dont understand how you guys fall back on "lets just treat the underlying social issues that cause crime" as if eradicating the very fucking concept of poverty in the united states is somehow more reasonable than you writing your name and address on a piece of paper before you buy your gun[/QUOTE] Nobody is saying that, besides poverty is as much of a factor since all different kinds of people commit crimes with guns.

Most anti-gun people don't dislike guns. They dislike people who like guns.

[QUOTE=Pepsi-cola;39696311]For someone who isn't obsessed with firearms, what is CTD?[/QUOTE] 'Cheaper Than Dirt' Also known as: Lies Jacked their prices up 600% during the panic buys, and pulled a large portion of their cheap products off of the market.

[QUOTE=Iago;39696320]Nobody is saying that, besides poverty is as much of a factor since all different kinds of people commit crimes with guns.[/QUOTE] Gang violence is mostly poverty but people think as them as irrelevant.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;39696298]thats like complaining that you're not someone with red hair after i wrote a statement addressing people with red hair[/QUOTE] You implied that everybody not agreeing with you in this thread is a conservative.

[QUOTE=Rusty100;39696206]Good job completely ignoring the issue that guns make it exponentially easier to murder people, en masse, as they were explicitly designed for. Yes we should also fix society or whatever, but a very large step in that is removing as many guns as we can.[/QUOTE] That has never done anything and never will do anything to help stop crime or murder. The idea that removing guns from the hands of civilians will somehow magically reduce crime has been shattered in scientific studies and analysis of crime rates over and over again, and the idea that it will help is only fuelled by irrational hoplophobes who are ignorant, often wilfully, of the factual evidence that exists, which clearly says that access to guns is NOT what causes crime or mass murder. Australia's gun buyback did nothing to help Australia's murder or crime rates, they were going down already, and continued to go down at the same rate, all it did was essentially steal thousands of dollars of people's private property in the false name of "public safety." And as a matter of fact, Australia now has as many guns known in the country as before the buyback, not to mention all the guns people buried instead of handing them in.

[QUOTE=Rusty100;39696206]Good job completely ignoring the issue that guns make it exponentially easier to murder people, en masse, as they were explicitly designed for. Yes we should also fix society or whatever, but a very large step in that is removing as many guns as we can.[/QUOTE] People who don't understand violence might wish for a world without guns but it's the worst thing that can happen and that's the kind of nightmarish world that I hope to never live in; the same kind of world that enables aggressive men to do as they please and do what they want. It's not my type of world where a men with knives can rape and murder with witnesses who are powerless to do something or where innocents are slaughtered by others much bigger and more powerful than them. More or less, I don't think even you'd want to be someplace where strength, size, and aggression are key factors to survival. You often advocate that lives must be saved, but I just can't see how that is possible if no one has the right to own guns and defend themselves. Having a gun [i]can be[/i] difference between your life and your death.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;39696212]rusty literally never said any of that in this thread lol by the way i love how recently the facepunch gun club has taken to crying about "underlying social issues that cause crime", psychological health and alternative sources of violent crime even though 90% of you guys are also the facepunch young republicans club who are obsessed with free markets and asking poor people in social climates that breed violent crime to pick themselves up by their bootstraps. you aren't fooling anybody when you cry about psychological health and poverty in one thread then turn around and talk about how welfare and socialized healthcare are the root of all evil[/QUOTE] I don't know where you've gotten any of this from. I know what poverty is and I don't think any single solution will fix it. I have no problem with government assistance, it doesn't take a genius to see that the average person anymore is so far in a hole from the moment they're born nothing they can do of their own power will get them out of it. I can't get a job or an education because I don't have the initial funds for any of it. I was born poor, i've lived poor, and i've resigned to the notion that unless something changes i'll die poor. People need help, it should be the government's duty to improve the living standards of society as a whole without being intrusive. Mental health is really a non-issue when it comes to violent crime, just like mass shootings. They're insignificant, no matter how tragic they are. Poverty is the root of nearly all crime. Desperate people resorting to desperate ends, or being brought up in an impoverished environment that encourages crime. Yet instead of attention being brought to this, instead of vast reforms aimed at improving the living standard of the poor and providing to the needs of their people, the government focuses on legislation that criminalizes millions of innocent people, including me, who are literally not part of the issue at all just because they're more visible and easy to blame. That's reprehensible to the utmost degree.

Gee Rustly I can't believe that you still think taking guns away from law abiding citizens=less crime. I'm pretty sure people disproved this to you hundreds of times already.

[QUOTE=mastermaul;39696429]I don't know where you've gotten any of this from. I know what poverty is and I don't think any single solution will fix it. I have no problem with government assistance, it doesn't take a genius to see that the average person anymore is so far in a hole from the moment they're born nothing they can do of their own power will get them out of it. I can't get a job or an education because I don't have the initial funds for any of it. I was born poor, i've lived poor, and i've resigned to the notion that unless something changes i'll die poor. People need help, it should be the government's duty to improve the living standards of society as a whole without being intrusive. Mental health is really a non-issue when it comes to violent crime, just like mass shootings. They're insignificant, no matter how tragic they are. Poverty is the root of nearly all crime. Desperate people resorting to desperate ends, or being brought up in an impoverished environment that encourages crime. Yet instead of attention being brought to this, instead of vast reforms aimed at improving the living standard of the poor and providing to the needs of their people, the government focuses on legislation that criminalizes millions of innocent people, including me, who are literally not part of the issue at all just because they're more visible and easy to blame. That's reprehensible to the utmost degree.[/QUOTE] im sorry remind me again what these "vast reforms" are and how they are somehow more realistic than you just registering your gun? [editline]24th February 2013[/editline] because gun control proponents have a nice juicy list of detailed solutions to the gun violence problem in america yet for some reason all i hear is a vague reference to "vast reform" and passing mentions of poverty and mental health in america [editline]24th February 2013[/editline] in fact its almost as if you guys are just latching on to the first counter-solution that doesn't involve your hobby being inconvenienced without actually thinking about what your solution would entail realistically!

[QUOTE=Kopimi;39696459]im sorry remind me again what these "vast reforms" are and how they are somehow more realistic than you just registering your gun? [editline]24th February 2013[/editline] because gun control proponents have a nice juicy list of detailed solutions to the gun violence problem in america yet for some reason all i hear is a vague reference to "vast reform" and passing mentions of poverty and mental health in america [editline]24th February 2013[/editline] in fact its almost as if you guys are just latching on to the first counter-solution that doesn't involve your hobby being inconvenienced without actually thinking about what your solution would entail realistically![/QUOTE] Yes because all of the gun control measures proposed so far are composed of "just" registering your gun If that's all it was and all it could ever amount to I'd happily register my firearms. But with that comes limits on how many you can own, limits on how much ammunition you can keep for your guns, that sort of shit.

[QUOTE=No_Excuses;39695865]But the point of the police are to protect civilians. Should they not have a tactical advantaged over the average person?[/QUOTE] Training, communications, the rest of their gear, access to flashbangs, access to other departments and helicopters equipped with thermal vision don't count as a tactical advantage over average joe? As it stands I can walk into any gun shop in the land and walk out carrying more firepower than your average LPD cop has. LPD issues a Glock 17 to every officer, and a lot of them carry either a pump-action shotgun or AR15 in the trunk of the squad car, not really all that hard to top. Having more firepower doesn't mean I have a tactical advantage over said cop, however.

Holy shit half you people act like police are going to be left with nothing but tasers and nightsticks. This isn't going to stop police from having any ammo, it's just making it slightly harder and more expensive to do so. It's not trying to choke out law enforcement, it's to get their attention. It's a protest.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;39696459] in fact its almost as if you guys are just latching on to the first counter-solution that doesn't involve your hobby being inconvenienced without actually thinking about what your solution would entail realistically![/QUOTE]I shouldn't have to give up my hobby because some wackjobs can't control themselves. That's all there is to it.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;39696459]im sorry remind me again what these "vast reforms" are and how they are somehow more realistic than you just registering your gun? [editline]24th February 2013[/editline] because gun control proponents have a nice juicy list of detailed solutions to the gun violence problem in america yet for some reason all i hear is a vague reference to "vast reform" and passing mentions of poverty and mental health in america [editline]24th February 2013[/editline] in fact its almost as if you guys are just latching on to the first counter-solution that doesn't involve your hobby being inconvenienced without actually thinking about what your solution would entail realistically![/QUOTE] And can you please tell us why America should waste hundreds of billions of dollars trying to enact a registry that has been a proven failure both in America already as well as just about every other country it's been tried in? Registration never helps solve crimes because criminals never register their guns, nor do they tend to leave the gun behind at the crime scene, which means even if it is registered the cops will never find it because they don't have any way to trace it to its owner because they don't have any way to identify the gun. There are, however, documented cases abroad, and evidence in America, that registration can and does lead to confiscation. California intends on enacting confiscation, Missouri dems were trying, and New York almost enacted it as well, not to mention the confiscation of all pistols and semi-autos in Britain and almost all of them in Australia as well, and the various confiscations that go on in Canada. It is therefore more than unfounded paranoia to assume that registration can indeed lead to confiscation, not to mention it would cost hundreds of billions of dollars to accomplish nothing beneficial for crime, all it would do is create a database of America's most law-abiding citizens for absolutely no good reason.

[QUOTE=Vodkavia;39696516]Secondly, how is wasting time and money at all comparable to trying to resolve the underlying issues that cause our country so many problems? More importantly, [B]who[/B] suggest it was at all feasible to completely eradicate poverty in the United States?[/QUOTE] i love that you structure your question where the only two options are "wasting time and money" and "helping poverty". ignoring that you can enact gun control legislation without wasting time or money, nobody is saying its not a good idea to address poverty in the united states, only that none of you that keep proposing this poverty-aide legislation have any idea what you actually want to do? its like saying we should solve world hunger, nobody gives a shit unless you have even a remote idea HOW you want to solve it [QUOTE=teh pirate;39696522]Yes because all of the gun control measures proposed so far are composed of "just" registering your gun If that's all it was and all it could ever amount to I'd happily register my firearms. But with that comes limits on how many you can own, limits on how much ammunition you can keep for your guns, that sort of shit.[/QUOTE] i never said all gun control measures being proposed were "just" registering your gun why are you complaining about limits on how many guns you can own / how much ammo when talking about registering firearms? i'm not for a limit on number of guns so why bother assuming once i have your name on a registry its time for an extension or something? try taking what i say at face value instead of being paranoid and assuming i'm going to start throwing in hidden laws whenever you give me some leeway

oh my god just shut up both sides of this argument need to stop flinging childish "hurr hurr this is how the opposing side sounds like they're so dumb" arguments and sit down and have a sensible fucking debate. ugh, it's like a bunch of kindergarten kids arguing whether pokemon or digimon is better

[QUOTE=kanesenpai~;39696561]oh my god just shut up both sides of this argument need to stop flinging childish "hurr hurr this is how the opposing side sounds like they're so dumb" arguments and sit down and have a sensible fucking debate. ugh, it's like a bunch of kindergarten kids arguing whether pokemon or digimon is better[/QUOTE] Welcome to politics, my friend.

[QUOTE=TestECull;39696548]I shouldn't have to give up my hobby because some wackjobs can't control themselves. That's all there is to it.[/QUOTE] what a noble justification. my hobby is stockpiling and routinely detonating nuclear weapons, why cant i have them just because some whackjobs cant control themselves? [QUOTE=Birdman101;39696542]Holy shit half you people act like police are going to be left with nothing but tasers and nightsticks. This isn't going to stop police from having any ammo, it's just making it slightly harder and more expensive to do so. It's not trying to choke out law enforcement, it's to get their attention. It's a protest.[/QUOTE] so it wont even accomplish their goal of disarming police it'll just raise the cost of running a police department (while many are already struggling with funding) and forcing the taxpayer to pay more to fund the departments? oh wow that makes it all much better!

[QUOTE=TestECull;39696548]I shouldn't have to give up my hobby because some wackjobs can't control themselves. That's all there is to it.[/QUOTE] This. If a man kills 20 people will mail stamps will I have to have a limit on my mail stamp collection too?

[QUOTE=kanesenpai~;39696561]oh my god just shut up both sides of this argument need to stop flinging childish "hurr hurr this is how the opposing side sounds like they're so dumb" arguments and sit down and have a sensible fucking debate. ugh, it's like a bunch of kindergarten kids arguing whether pokemon or digimon is better[/QUOTE] thank you so much for leading by example wait a minute

[QUOTE=Kopimi;39696557]ignoring that you can enact gun control legislation without wasting time or money[/QUOTE] I'd like to see an example where that is actually the truth.

[QUOTE=Iago;39696575]This. If a man kills 20 people will mail stamps will I have to have a limit on my mail stamp collection too?[/QUOTE] no but if tens of thousands of people die each year from mail stamp deaths i would ask you sign your name when purchasing a stamp

[QUOTE=Kopimi;39696557]i never said all gun control measures being proposed were "just" registering your gun why are you complaining about limits on how many guns you can own / how much ammo when talking about registering firearms? i'm not for a limit on number of guns so why bother assuming once i have your name on a registry its time for an extension or something? try taking what i say at face value instead of being paranoid and assuming i'm going to start throwing in hidden laws whenever you give me some leeway[/QUOTE] When anyone argues against any gun control period you are always there to call them rednecks blindly clinging to a hobby If a registry is enacted, it will inevitably be used in that manner and you know it because it serves no other purpose