Gun retailers stop selling guns and ammo to police - Polidicks

To be honest, that's really immature acting.

[QUOTE=Disotrtion;39696835]i don't think you ever advocated a ban on guns, but you keep referring to gun ownership as a hobby. It's a individual right according to the Constitution, and verified numerous times by the supreme court. And the Constitution was intended to be a "living document" as thomas jefferson once said. We've been constantly molding the advancement of american society around the constitution without repealing any amendments. We have considered the 1st amendment when addressing internet privacy, the 14th amendment when addressing abortion. We can find a way to decrease gun violence and keep the 2nd amendment in the constitution. The founding fathers obviously didn't include amendments for these modern issues. "Because progress demands it" shouldn't become an excuse to dispose of one of the pillars of our republic. The constitution has defended the american public for 225 years, despite continued assaults, and I'll continue to hold it in high regard. and unless the 2nd Amendment is repealed, gun ownership legally remains a right of the people.[/QUOTE] Except the constitution is really a piece of shit document. The forefathers knew it wouldnt last forever and was probably missing a fuckload of laws or rights, or it needed to be updated to keep with the times. Thats why they have the amendment system. Seriously americans (i am an american) need to stop fucking acting like its a sacred document that is perfect and should never be changed/clarified. Even my US government teacher said that.

[QUOTE=codemaster85;39698840]Except the constitution is really a piece of shit document. The forefathers knew it wouldnt last forever and was probably missing a fuckload of laws or rights, or it needed to be updated to keep with the times. Thats why they have the amendment system. Seriously americans (i am an american) need to stop fucking acting like its a sacred document that is perfect and should never be changed/clarified.[B] Even my US government teacher said that.[/B][/QUOTE] Oh, your US government teacher said that? [IMG]http://sae.tweek.us/static/images/emoticons/emot-allears.gif[/IMG]

[QUOTE=HighdefGE;39696417]People who don't understand violence might wish for a world without guns but it's the worst thing that can happen and that's the kind of nightmarish world that I hope to never live in; the same kind of world that enables aggressive men to do as they please and do what they want. It's not my type of world where a men with knives can rape and murder with witnesses who are powerless to do something or where innocents are slaughtered by others much bigger and more powerful than them. More or less, I don't think even you'd want to be someplace where strength, size, and aggression are key factors to survival. You often advocate that lives must be saved, but I just can't see how that is possible if no one has the right to own guns and defend themselves. Having a gun [i]can be[/i] difference between your life and your death.[/QUOTE] I don't know man. I've lived in Australia for a year, and a half now, and I haven't been raped yet. That I know of.

Remind me why civilians need assault rifles again? That's right, they don't.

Wait, there's ammo in supply? I didn't know you could refuse to sell something you didn't have to begin with.

[QUOTE=Manatee Cat;39699059]Remind me why civilians need assault rifles again? That's right, they don't.[/QUOTE] Just asking, but do you even know what an assault rifle is? They've been heavily regulated in the US since the 1930's and more recently 1986 to the point where it's prohibitively expensive and time consuming for the majority of firearms owners to even consider attempting to purchase one. What you're more then likely thinking of are semi-automatic rifles and the likes which is what a large amount of current legislation floating around is looking to restrict. Not intending to pick a side in this but if you're going to argue gun control it helps to know what you're talking about at least, plus having supporting arguments instead of 'My opinion>your opinion'.

[QUOTE=RoboWolf;39699213]Just asking, but do you even know what an assault rifle is? They've been heavily regulated in the US since the 1930's and more recently 1986 to the point where it's prohibitively expensive and time consuming for the majority of firearms owners to even consider attempting to purchase one. What you're more then likely thinking of are semi-automatic rifles and the likes which is what a large amount of current legislation floating around is looking to restrict. Not intending to pick a side in this but if you're going to argue gun control it helps to know what you're talking about at least, plus having supporting arguments instead of 'My opinion>your opinion'.[/QUOTE] To be honest, I don't give a shit which kind of gun it is. Why would you need a gun? And the most bullshit argument ever is that it's for self defence, as 99% of the guns will never be used for self defence.

[QUOTE=Timebomb575;39697815]Wait what So in Australia you arent allowed to shoot someone if they attack you with a knife? What are you supposed to do? Engage them in hand to hand combat in a fair and gentlemanly fashion?[/QUOTE] i don't make the law dude, that's just how it is. if you use what is deemed as excessive force against your attacker, you too will be charged for it.

[QUOTE=Rusty100;39699371]i don't make the law dude, that's just how it is. if you use what is deemed as excessive force against your attacker, you too will be charged for it.[/QUOTE] fortunately that's not how it is in the US so it's not considered excessive force to shoot the guy trying to stab you to death for the 20 bucks in your wallet

[QUOTE=Rusty100;39699371]i don't make the law dude, that's just how it is. if you use what is deemed as excessive force against your attacker, you too will be charged for it.[/QUOTE] And you're OK with that? I would figure they would at least count attempting to stab someone "lethal force" which could be responded to in kind with a gun (in self defense). All that seems to do to me is make criminals out of people who might need to defend themselves

[QUOTE=Manatee Cat;39699341]To be honest, I don't give a shit which kind of gun it is. Why would you need a gun? And the most bullshit argument ever is that it's for self defence, as 99% of the guns will never be used for self defence.[/QUOTE] cite source pls

[QUOTE=Manatee Cat;39699341]To be honest, I don't give a shit which kind of gun it is. Why would you need a gun? And the most bullshit argument ever is that it's for self defence, as 99% of the guns will never be used for self defence.[/QUOTE] As has been stated many times before, a hobby isn't about 'need'. Many firearms owners own firearms not for defence but for say sports shooting or hunting and never intend to use it to shoot someone and as such defence is not the only legitimate reason to own one. Personally as much as the self defence argument does irk me at times, it's just like why we have smoke detectors in homes. We don't have them because we expect fires, we have them in case fires happen. Likewise many don't have firearms with the intent to kill someone, but have one in case the situation forces them to.

[QUOTE=RoboWolf;39699579]As has been stated many times before, a hobby isn't about 'need'. Many firearms owners own firearms not for defence but for say sports shooting or hunting and never intend to use it to shoot someone and as such defence is not the only legitimate reason to own one. Personally as much as the self defence argument does irk me at times, it's just like why we have smoke detectors in homes. We don't have them because we expect fires, we have them in case fires happen. Likewise many don't have firearms with the intent to kill someone, but have one in case the situation forces them to.[/QUOTE] I'm planning on getting a concealable handgun soon. I don't expect to have to use it, but I don't want to be the guy whose body they find in an alley in downtown, and having already been in a situation where a firearm was needed to defend my home, I've seen how effective they are at saving the day.

[QUOTE=teh pirate;39699596]I'm planning on getting a concealable handgun soon. I don't expect to have to use it, but I don't want to be the guy whose body they find in an alley in downtown, and having already been in a situation where a firearm was needed to defend my home, I've seen how effective they are at saving the day.[/QUOTE] Which is my point, those who get a firearm for self defence obviously acknowledge that the possibility may arise wherein they will have to use it but most hope it doesn't happen. As I said, you don't have it because you expect it, you have it in case it does happen.

[QUOTE=Marbalo;39699693]when your citizens are panic buying firearms for self-defense it speaks volumes about the rotten police force you employ.[/QUOTE] It doesn't matter how good the police force is, if I'm being attacked out of the blue, I don't have time to call 911, and if somehow I did, the police could simply not possibly get there in time I'm absolutely floored that people outside of the US are so reliant on police they literally expect them to be there as soon as something bad happens to save the day

love how much of a gun owner circlejerk these threads turn into

[QUOTE=Generic.Monk;39699765]love how much of a gun owner circlejerk these threads turn into[/QUOTE] Is this the only thing you're going to say or are you going to bring up a point, because your useless shitbabbling is starting to get really annoying.

[QUOTE=teh pirate;39699731]It doesn't matter how good the police force is, if I'm being attacked out of the blue, I don't have time to call 911, and if somehow I did, the police could simply not possibly get there in time I'm absolutely floored that people outside of the US are so reliant on police they literally expect them to be there as soon as something bad happens to save the day[/QUOTE] and I'm absolutely floored that americans feel naked and insecure without some implement of death on their person

[QUOTE=Generic.Monk;39699775]and I'm absolutely floored that americans feel naked and insecure without some implement of death on their person[/QUOTE] Would you just shut the hell up? Honestly, you're just trying to get people to flame you.

news just in: freedom of opinion is for idiots and the mentally retarded, according to scout1. if you have any kind of opinion that even remotely differs to his he will dumb you and pick apart your argument and make baseless accusations and opinions then call you out for doing the same.

[QUOTE=Generic.Monk;39699765]love how much of a gun owner circlejerk these threads turn into[/QUOTE] love how FPers parade science and scientific studies as good and wonderful until the numbers and statistics disagree with their baseless opinions, at which point the side arguing with them becomes a circlejerk of psychopaths

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;39699772]Is this the only thing you're going to say or are you going to bring up a point, because your useless shitbabbling is starting to get really annoying.[/QUOTE] I haven't posted in a gun thread in weeks; either you're exaggerating, you're a butthurt manchild who can't accept that guns might not be entirely great or you've kept a record of all my posts in gun threads. Either way take a fucking chill pill

[QUOTE=Marbalo;39699796]the purpose of the police force is not only stop crime, but also reduce it. this is what "maintaining order" means. many americans forget this and throw this out the window by [I]taking the law into their own hands[/I]. of course they can't be everywhere 24/7, and of course muggings and petty crime happens everywhere. but the fact that it happens so often in the US that people are so terrified they need to buy guns to not shit themselves whenever they leave the house is surreal. what happens if everyone just suddenly decided to take the law into their own hands? what if people start making up laws because they don't believe the government is competent enough to enact proper laws? and what happens when people start murdering others by following their own set of rules? where do you draw the line with this logic of yours[/QUOTE] do you not realize that using firearms for self defense is within the confines of law in the united states? It's not taking the law into my own hands to shoot someone who's attempting to kill me or someone near me, if I didn't react and just waited for the police to get here I'd be sitting on a morgue table the next time my family saw me

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;39699782]Would you just shut the hell up? Honestly, you're just trying to get people to flame you.[/QUOTE] THIS PERSON HAS A DIFFERENT POINT OF VIEW TO ME, LET ME JUST WHINE INEFFECTUALLY ABOUT NOTHING IN PARTICULAR ^you

In fact if you have a firearm on you and can use it to save somebody's life you are obligated to do so

[QUOTE=Generic.Monk;39699775]and I'm absolutely floored that americans feel naked and insecure without some implement of death on their person[/QUOTE] Are you surprised? If you could have the option of basically instant self defense capability as opposed to waiting for the cops, you wouldnt take iit? Even if the police are 5 minutes away, thats a long time when your life is in danger

[QUOTE=Generic.Monk;39699812]THIS PERSON HAS A DIFFERENT POINT OF VIEW TO ME, LET ME JUST WHINE INEFFECTUALLY ABOUT NOTHING IN PARTICULAR ^you[/QUOTE] That's exactly what you're doing, 0/10 trolling

[QUOTE=teh pirate;39699801]love how FPers parade science and scientific studies as good and wonderful until the numbers and statistics disagree with their baseless opinions, at which point the side arguing with them becomes a circlejerk of psychopaths[/QUOTE] what's that supposed to mean

[QUOTE=Generic.Monk;39699822]what's that supposed to mean[/QUOTE] It means the statistics don't support the conclusions you've pulled out of your ass because you're scared of guns