• Terrorists achieve military superiority over Ukraine
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[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;47203758]Point out the "shit" part of my posts. I want criticism, constructive criticism, which I believe you have because you wouldn't just throw an insult at me with nothing to back it up(right guys, right?).[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=MuffinZerg;47202335]I want the people to stop dying and living in poverty and dillusion. [b]Ukraine currently has nothing but fear to show to their people. They had a lot of time to prepare projects of reforms and tell their people: here is what we are going to do with the economy, here's how you all get jobs again. [/b] [b]Instead there is just fear, militarisation, absolute brainwashing. Seriously, they jail every journalist that says something thay don't like (Коцаба, Шарий ). Only thing they ever talk about is Russian aggresaion. When Poroshenko comes to EU he talks about nothing but Russian agression.[/b] [b]They also burned people alive and showed it live on national TV and shelled cities with millions of people. Rebels so far shelled Mariupol, Ukrainian army shelled Lugansk and Donetsk for a year non stop, the cities are basically ruins now. [/b] Soverign nation my ass. More like soverign oligarchic dictatorship. I don't want this to exist, the craziness of them is miles away from russian craziness. [highlight]So I choose the lesser evil, lesser for the people of Ukraine.[/highlight][/QUOTE] There.
[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;47203758]Point out the "shit" part of my posts. I want criticism, constructive criticism, which I believe you have because you wouldn't just throw an insult at me with nothing to back it up(right guys, right?).[/QUOTE] But each time somebody posts obvious refutals of your posts you just turn around and start decrying them as 'propaganda' or 'fake'. That's just to begin with. You also ignore certain glaring problems with the policies and decisions taken by Czar, oops, President Putin and the Russian Parliament. Most of what he's up to now is just playing the extreme nationalism card, no more. I've personally got nothing against a certain degree of nationalism or nationalistic fervor, it's just that blind nationalism is unhealthy at best and dangerous at worst. Just my two cents here.
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;47203794]There.[/QUOTE] That is my personal opinion. This is how I see the situation. I thought the idea of this subforum is to discuss events in the world, exchange our views of situations. How exactly is this shitposting? Opinions are banned or what? I find your opinion very one sided and exactly what they call russophobic, but I don't insult you over it.
[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;47202335]I want the people to stop dying and living in poverty and dillusion. Ukraine currently has nothing but fear to show to their people. They had a lot of time to prepare projects of reforms and tell their people: here is what we are going to do with the economy, here's how you all get jobs again. Instead there is just fear, militarisation, absolute brainwashing. Seriously, they jail every journalist that says something thay don't like (Коцаба, Шарий ). Only thing they ever talk about is Russian aggresaion. When Poroshenko comes to EU he talks about nothing but Russian agression. They also burned people alive and showed it live on national TV and shelled cities with millions of people. Rebels so far shelled Mariupol, Ukrainian army shelled Lugansk and Donetsk for a year non stop, the cities are basically ruins now. Soverign nation my ass. More like soverign oligarchic dictatorship. I don't want this to exist, the craziness of them is miles away from russian craziness. So I choose the lesser evil, lesser for the people of Ukraine.[/QUOTE] I considered you a somewhat better poster than Karimatrix right up until this post here.
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;47203813]But each time somebody posts obvious refutals of your posts you just turn around and start decrying them as 'propaganda' or 'fake'. That's just to begin with. You also ignore certain glaring problems with the policies and decisions taken by Czar, oops, President Putin and the Russian Parliament. Most of what he's up to now is just playing the extreme nationalism card, no more. I've personally got nothing against a certain degree of nationalism or nationalistic fervor, it's just that blind nationalism is unhealthy at best and dangerous at worst. Just my two cents here.[/QUOTE] So essentially I have got a different opinion on things that are apparently "obvious", that makes me a shitposter. I never denied the extreme nationalism card and never said it's any good. I find it very concerning too, which I stated multiple times. So I dont know where you are getting this from.
I think the idea that Ukraine needs Russian intervention because they're talking about the foreign invasion creeping across their country rather than long-term economic plans is absolutely fucking bonkers.
[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;47203822]That is my personal opinion. This is how I see the situation. I thought the idea of this subforum is to discuss events in the world, exchange our views of situations. How exactly is this shitposting? Opinions are banned or what? I find your opinion very one sided and exactly what they call russophobic, but I don't insult you over it.[/QUOTE] You joke at the serious fact that your country is supplying a rebel insurgency with weaponry and heavy equipment. We point out links to said weaponry/equipment as coming from Russia, you play it off as "Well it doesn't matter, is there a difference between a Russian AK and a Ukrainian AK?" We point out obvious betrayals of the Geneva Convention, you say "I don't believe they apply here" though the language of the Conventions are as clear as could fucking be and any and all rebuttals you had to it had no ground to stand on. We post videos of Russian troops and equipment moving near to Ukraine, and of the same forces and equipment spotted in Ukraine, you deny them or just outright walk past the subject. You want to play Russo-phobia because you don't know what to do anymore.
[QUOTE=catbarf;47203873]I think the idea that Ukraine needs Russian intervention because they're talking about the foreign invasion creeping across their country rather than long-term economic plans is absolutely fucking bonkers.[/QUOTE] Well except its a civil war. Pro russian or not, the rebels are not Russian. You completely misinterpreted everything I said. If ukrainian government had any economic plans it would be a different story. But nothing long term appeared so far. The rulers are incompetent, so they should go. Or at least accept the minsk agreements, actually give donbass some autonomy, hold constitutional elections there and start rebuilding the economy. That would satisfy me completely because the stupid war would end. Kiev showed complete inability to go in that direction, so this most likely wont happen until the rulers change. You see, I think of Ukraine first and Russian agression second, you do the oposite.
[QUOTE=Melnek;47203510]"hold up buddy let me tell you thing or two about your own country and president" lol, so what if you're lithuanian? have you ever lived under communism? do you know what if it feels like to be forcefully displaced from your home? maybe some members of you family told you some stories, but at the end of the day you hold as much credibility on this subject as he does. being lithuanian or a any other baltic states citizen doesn't suddenly grant more weight to what you say. also, there [i]is[/i] a big difference between modern monarchies and dictatorships, just like there's also a really big difference between dictatorships and an authoritarian republics. no actually, the bigger the country the harder it is the manage. you would understand this basic concept if you didn't think the world operates like an RTS game. there is more to building a nation than just natural resources and land. i didn't even know where to begin with this retarded and more importantly condescending post but i did my best[/QUOTE] In case you haven't noticed MuffinZerg is the one saying that Russia is entitled to Ukraine because Ukraine's current economy/government is shit. It's like saying the USA is entitled to Cuba. He is completely ignoring his own country and raving on about Ukraine. Damn right I sound condescending. Pointing out that I'm Lithuanian has nothing to do with giving me credibility. And yes all I know about living under Soviet rule does come from my family, and yes I realise that it wasn't even the same government. Just pointing out that the queen example doesn't even phase me, even if she was literally Hitler, she is no queen of mine. You should really try harder if this is the part of my post you put the most energy to. The last part I can accept. It is a bit ridiculous of me to suggest that land size alone can make a huge difference for an economy of a country, especially considering how useless a lot of Russian landmass really is. Still It's unfair to compare Ukrainian or Baltic states' economy to Russia.
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;47203919]You joke at the serious fact that your country is supply a rebel insurgency with weaponry and heavy equipment. We point out links to said weaponry/equipment as coming from Russia, you play it off as "Well it doesn't matter, is there a difference between a Russian AK and a Ukrainian AK?" We point out obvious betrayals of the Geneva Convention, you say "I don't believe they apply here" though the language of the Conventions are as clear as could fucking be and any and all rebuttals you had to it had no ground to stand on. We post videos of Russian troops and equipment moving near to Ukraine, and of the same forces and equipment spotted in Ukraine, you deny them or just outright walk past the subject. You want to play Russo-phobia because you don't know what to do anymore.[/QUOTE] Sorry, I wont debate with you over things we already debated a thousand times. This post is anything but constructive.
[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;47203822]That is my personal opinion. This is how I see the situation. I thought the idea of this subforum is to discuss events in the world, exchange our views of situations. How exactly is this shitposting? Opinions are banned or what? [B]I find your opinion very one sided and exactly what they call russophobic, but I don't insult you over it.[/B][/QUOTE] OH MAN don't disagree with MuffinZerg or you're a Russophobe! What a great set of rebuttals you have, anything that isn't in compliance with your opinions are either subjective, propaganda or russophobic, no matter how much anecdotal and cited evidence there is. You are not keeping your mind open to any outside perspective at all. That's why everyone's calling you brainwashed.
The fact that you don't see anything wrong with the red highlighted section of your post I quoted is almost maddening.
[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;47203946]Well except its a civil war. Pro russian or not, the rebels are not Russian.[/QUOTE] Right, and the US invasion of Iraq was just supporting the oppressed Sunni minority in an Iraqi civil war :rolleyes: It's a Russian-backed 'civil war' where Russian troops are using Russian weapons to fight the Ukrainian government. It stopped being an internal affair and started being a foreign invasion the second a foreign power intervened to seize land. [QUOTE=MuffinZerg;47203946]If ukrainian government had any economic plans it would be a different story.[/QUOTE] They can't make economic plans when they aren't even sure if they'll remain a country, now can they? There are more important things to deal with. [QUOTE=MuffinZerg;47203946]The rulers are incompetent, so they should go.[/QUOTE] Through a democratic election by their people, not a fucking invasion. Russia is in no position to complain about Ukraine's political situation, invade and make things worse, and then complain that the Ukrainians don't want to negotiate. Of course they don't want to negotiate. Of course they're not going to agree to settlements that involve giving up their land for no reason other than the fact that Russia invaded it.
[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;47203963]Sorry, I wont debate with you over things we already debated a thousand times. This post is anything but constructive.[/QUOTE] Oh come on; I actually want your response to what he said
[QUOTE=Buck.;47203947]In case you haven't noticed MuffinZerg is the one saying that Russia is entitled to Ukraine because Ukraine's current economy/government is shit. It's like saying the USA is entitled to Cuba.[/QUOTE] i have now read all his posts again and he never says or even implies this, the bulk of this thread is (as usual) misinterpreting arguments and jumping to conclusions, basically strawmanning the shit out of counterarguments and then rating eachother zing [QUOTE=Buck.;47203947]He is completely ignoring his own country and raving on about Ukraine. Damn right I sound condescending.[/QUOTE] maybe because all the rest of the world is doing is raving on about russia while completely ignoring ukraine? why is proposing different ideas or perspectives on complex subjects looked down upon? why is that a bad thing?
[QUOTE=Melnek;47204241]i have now read all his posts again and he never says or even implies this, the bulk of this thread is (as usual) misinterpreting arguments and jumping to conclusions, basically strawmanning the shit out of counterarguments and then rating eachother zing[/QUOTE] In response to someone pointing out that Russia is infringing on Ukraine's sovereignty: [QUOTE=MuffinZerg;47202335]Soverign nation my ass. More like soverign oligarchic dictatorship. I don't want this to exist, the craziness of them is miles away from russian craziness. [B][U]So I choose the lesser evil, lesser for the people of Ukraine.[/U][/B][/QUOTE] As if Russia is doing them a favor with their activities. [QUOTE=Melnek;47204241]maybe because all the rest of the world is doing is raving on about russia while completely ignoring ukraine? why is proposing different ideas or perspectives on complex subjects looked down upon? why is that a bad thing?[/QUOTE] Russia is proxy-invading a neighboring country for annexation, a dangerous move for the entire international community. Of course everyone is raving on about Russia. Ukraine isn't being ignored, just because they're not as widely talked about as a madhouse dictatorship with territory issues doesn't mean they're being ignored. I'm not frustrated with his viewpoint as much as I'm frustrated with him essentially being faced with counter arguments, and turning his face up and away and closing his eyes and telling us to talk to the hand because he's not listening.
[QUOTE=Melnek;47204241]i have now read all his posts again and he never says or even implies this, the bulk of this thread is (as usual) misinterpreting arguments and jumping to conclusions, basically strawmanning the shit out of counterarguments and then rating eachother zing maybe because all the rest of the world is doing is raving on about russia while completely ignoring ukraine? why is proposing different ideas or perspectives on complex subjects looked down upon? why is that a bad thing?[/QUOTE] Why do people always resort to the word "strawmanning" it's such an overused buzzword to try and bolster your argument now.
[QUOTE=Smallheart;47203986]OH MAN don't disagree with MuffinZerg or you're a Russophobe! What a great set of rebuttals you have, anything that isn't in compliance with your opinions are either subjective, propaganda or russophobic, no matter how much anecdotal and cited evidence there is. You are not keeping your mind open to any outside perspective at all. That's why everyone's calling you brainwashed.[/QUOTE] I never said it. Stop with the extremes. Only Sith deal in absolutes.
[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;47204339]I never said it. Stop with the extremes. Only Sith deal in absolutes.[/QUOTE] You don't have to directly say it, it's apparent with all your responses. You're posturing and dodging the point instead of refuting it with evidence to back it up. It's really frustrating to try and debate with you for that reason.
[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;47204339]I never said it. Stop with the extremes. Only Sith deal in absolutes.[/QUOTE] I'm just gonna say it, you're country is REALLY FUCKED UP. Accept this
[QUOTE=Smallheart;47204368]You don't have to directly say it, it's apparent with all your responses. You're posturing and dodging the point instead of refuting it with evidence to back it up. It's really frustrating to try and debate with you for that reason.[/QUOTE] I don't find everyone russophobic, only purisdavid1. I cant remember a single post in SH on Ukraine crisis where he didn't throw aj jab at Russia. About his questions, when I get to my PC I will link posts I made on these topics in previous pointless debates with purisdavid. My opinions haven't changed since then so I wont type it all again. For example purisdavid failed to prove me that rebels committed warcrimes towards POWs, but he still uses the Geneva convention example saying that I somehow discarded his arguements. Of course you can always disagree with me and say that we should treat rebels like war criminals if they ever insult a POW, but do nothing about Ukrainian military shelling civillian blocks ( what purisdavid really suggested when we discussed it in the last thread where he brought up the Geneva convention for no reason). It's up to you. [editline]24th February 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=SIRIUS;47204412]I'm just gonna say it, you're country is REALLY FUCKED UP. Accept this[/QUOTE] Yeah thats true. It has been fucked since 1990's, nothing new about it.
[QUOTE=Melnek;47204241]i have now read all his posts again and he never says or even implies this, the bulk of this thread is (as usual) misinterpreting arguments and jumping to conclusions, basically strawmanning the shit out of counterarguments and then rating eachother zing maybe because all the rest of the world is doing is raving on about russia while completely ignoring ukraine? why is proposing different ideas or perspectives on complex subjects looked down upon? why is that a bad thing?[/QUOTE] how exactly do you interpret this? [QUOTE]I want the people to stop dying and living in poverty and dillusion. Ukraine currently has nothing but fear to show to their people. They had a lot of time to prepare projects of reforms and tell their people: here is what we are going to do with the economy, here's how you all get jobs again. Instead there is just fear, militarisation, absolute brainwashing. Seriously, they jail every journalist that says something thay don't like (Коцаба, Шарий ). Only thing they ever talk about is Russian aggresaion. When Poroshenko comes to EU he talks about nothing but Russian agression. They also burned people alive and showed it live on national TV and shelled cities with millions of people. Rebels so far shelled Mariupol, Ukrainian army shelled Lugansk and Donetsk for a year non stop, the cities are basically ruins now. Soverign nation my ass. More like soverign oligarchic dictatorship. I don't want this to exist, the craziness of them is miles away from russian craziness. So I choose the lesser evil, lesser for the people of Ukraine.[/QUOTE] The whole debate is only happening because of situation in Ukraine. A lot of us believe that Russia is involved or even behind the war in Ukraine and there are some that believe that Russia isn't in any way involved or in more extreme cases believe that Russia SHOULD get involved.
[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;47204443]I don't find everyone russophobic, only purisdavid1. I cant remember a single post in SH on Ukraine crisis where he didn't throw aj jab at Russia. About his questions, when I get to my PC I will link posts I made on these topics in previous pointless debates with purisdavid. My opinions haven't changed since then so I wont type it all again. For example purisdavid failed to prove me that rebels committed warcrimes towards POWs, but he still uses the Geneva convention example saying that I somehow discarded his arguements. Of course you can always disagree with me and say that we should treat rebels like war criminals if they ever insult a POW, but do nothing about Ukrainian military shelling civillian blocks ( what purisdavid really suggested when we discussed it in the last thread where he brought up the Geneva convention for no reason). It's up to you. [/QUOTE] [quote=THE GENEVA CONVENTIONS]Regarding the violations of the Ukrainian prisoners’ rights, it should be noted that under the Geneva Conventions, they cannot be paraded before media in a spectacle, or humiliated and beaten as was done in Donetsk, and reprisals cannot be taken against them. The Russians of course, who are signatories to the Conventions, are blatantly ignoring this, but parading some POWs at a press conference and showing parading about a dozen through Donetsk to the site of the trolleybus bombing and forcing them to kneel as people insulted and spat on them and slapped some. According to ‘Geneva Convention relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War, 75 U.N.T.S. 135, entered into force Oct. 21, 1950’: Article 13: ‘Prisoners of war must at all times be humanely treated. Any unlawful act or omission by the Detaining Power causing death or seriously endangering the health of a prisoner of war in its custody is prohibited, and will be regarded as a serious breach of the present Convention. In particular, no prisoner of war may be subjected to physical mutilation or to medical or scientific experiments of any kind which are not justified by the medical, dental or hospital treatment of the prisoner concerned and carried out in his interest. Likewise, prisoners of war must at all times be protected, particularly against acts of violence or intimidation and against insults and public curiosity Measures of reprisal against prisoners of war are prohibited.’ As for whether the rebels, militia, or whatever the separatist forces are called fall under the Conventions, given the fact that they are operating with and are under control of the Russian military (which is actively fighting in the east as well as official Russian government mercenary units made up of recently discharged Russian servicemen), they definitely meet the conditions as both captors and as prisoners of war, whenever that occurs. Per Article 4: ‘A. Prisoners of war, in the sense of the present Convention, are persons belonging to one of the following categories, who have fallen into the power of the enemy 1. Members of the armed forces of a Party to the conflict as well as members of militias or volunteer corps forming part of such armed forces. 2. Members of other militias and members of other volunteer corps, including those of organized resistance movements, belonging to a Party to the conflict and operating in or outside their own territory, even if this territory is occupied, provided that such militias or volunteer corps, including such organized resistance movements, fulfill the following conditions: (a) That of being commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates; (b) That of having a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance; (c) That of carrying arms openly;’ [url]https://www.icrc.org/applic/ihl/ihl.nsf/vwTreaties1949.xsp?redirect=0[/url] Under the Second Geneva Convention, it is clear that even though Russia implausibly denies involvement in the war in Ukraine, it is a party bound by the Conventions: Article 2: ‘In addition to the provisions which shall be implemented in peacetime, the present Convention shall apply to all cases of declared war or of any other armed conflict which may arise between two or more of the High Contracting Parties, even if the state of war is not recognized by one of them.’ Now, even if Russia and its propagandists, including the nominal separatists, claim they are not subjects of the Conventions, it turns out that they are. Per Common Article 3 found in all four of the Conventions, even in non-international conflicts, certain basic standards are binding: ‘In the case of armed conflict not of an international character occurring in the territory of one of the High Contracting Parties, each Party to the conflict shall be bound to apply, as a minimum, the following provisions: 1. Persons taking no active part in the hostilities, including members of armed forces who have laid down their arms and those placed ‘’hors de combat” by sickness, wounds, detention, or any other cause, shall in all circumstances be treated humanely, without any adverse distinction founded on race, colour, religion or faith, sex, birth or wealth, or any other similar criteria. To this end, the following acts are and shall remain prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever with respect to the above-mentioned persons: (a) violence to life and person, in particular murder of all kinds, mutilation, cruel treatment and torture; (b) taking of hostages; (c) outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment; (d) the passing of sentences and the carrying out of executions without previous judgment pronounced by a regularly constituted court, affording all the judicial guarantees which are recognized as indispensable by civilized peoples.’ Furthermore, if Russia and its local rebels insist this is an internal matter (which it is not, in any case), these provisions apply. Plus the separatists are legally Ukrainians, and given that Ukraine is a signatory to all of the Conventions, they are bound under the rules of ‘non-international’ conflict. [url]http://uatoday.tv/news/amnesty-international-say-militant-prisoner-abuse-broke-international-humanitarian-law-404470.html[/url][/quote] [QUOTE=purvisdavid1;47166197][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwKnPW7tNzA[/media] You can [b]NOT[/b] harm, murder, humiliate, or subject to public curiosity POW's. This is fucking clear, read what I said instead of trying to be snarky all the fucking time.[/QUOTE] [quote=The Section of the Geneva Convetion that says ^^This^^ is a fucking violation.]According to ‘Geneva Convention relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War, 75 U.N.T.S. 135, entered into force Oct. 21, 1950’: Article 13: ‘Prisoners of war must at all times be humanely treated. Any unlawful act or omission by the Detaining Power causing death or seriously endangering the health of a prisoner of war in its custody is prohibited, and will be regarded as a serious breach of the present Convention. In particular, no prisoner of war may be subjected to physical mutilation or to medical or scientific experiments of any kind which are not justified by the medical, dental or hospital treatment of the prisoner concerned and carried out in his interest. [highlight]Likewise, prisoners of war must at all times be protected, particularly against acts of violence or intimidation and against insults and public curiosity[/highlight] Measures of reprisal against prisoners of war are prohibited.’[/quote]
[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;47204443]I don't find everyone russophobic, only purisdavid1. I cant remember a single post in SH on Ukraine crisis where he didn't throw aj jab at Russia. About his questions, when I get to my PC I will link posts I made on these topics in previous pointless debates with purisdavid. My opinions haven't changed since then so I wont type it all again. For example purisdavid failed to prove me that rebels committed warcrimes towards POWs, but he still uses the Geneva convention example saying that I somehow discarded his arguements. Of course you can always disagree with me and say that we should treat rebels like war criminals if they ever insult a POW, but do nothing about Ukrainian military shelling civillian blocks ( what purisdavid really suggested when we discussed it in the last thread where he brought up the Geneva convention for no reason). It's up to you. [editline]24th February 2015[/editline] Yeah thats true. It has been fucked since 1990's, nothing new about it.[/QUOTE] Please feel free to glaze right over 2/3 of my point... [QUOTE=Smallheart;47203986]What a great set of rebuttals you have, anything that isn't in compliance with your opinions are either [B]subjective, propaganda[/B] [B][U]OR[/U][/B] russophobic, no matter how much anecdotal and cited evidence there is.[/QUOTE] ...and keep right on refuting everything, based on your opinion over fact.
[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;47202335] Soverign nation my ass. More like soverign oligarchic dictatorship. I don't want this to exist, the craziness of them is miles away from russian craziness. So I choose the lesser evil, lesser for the people of Ukraine.[/QUOTE] The us should invade russia because its the lesser evil.
[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;47204443]Of course you can always disagree with me and say that we should treat rebels like war criminals if they ever insult a POW, [b]but do nothing about Ukrainian military shelling civillian blocks[/b] ( [highlight]what purisdavid really suggested when we discussed it in the last thread where he brought up the Geneva convention for no reason).[/highlight] It's up to you. [/QUOTE] Now it pisses me off when you twist my fucking words. [QUOTE=MuffinZerg;47166727]Who is the war criminal? The commander, sending his men to die on purporse for no reason at all and then fleeing, or a rebel that led POW near some angry civillians (and protected him from harm)?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=purvisdavid1;47166764]Both. Also spoiler alert. He had to be protected because the rebel purposely brought him there with the intent to incite violence upon him. Because he protected him after getting attacked means nothing, he never should have taken him to the trolly bus shelling site to begin with. It's intimidation and bringing around public curiosity. It's something expressly stated in the Geneva Convention quote I gave you.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;47204534]quotes[/QUOTE] Could you please also quote all the posters that told you that it's naive to expect everyone to treat pows like friends, the rebels haven't hurt the pows or even humilated them? Just so people get a complete picture.
[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;47204584]Could you please also quote all the posters that told you that it's naive to expect everyone to treat pows like friends, the rebels haven't hurt the pows or even humilated them? Just so people get a complete picture.[/QUOTE] You mean the one guy who thought I was shocked. [QUOTE=Aman;47167354]At least from what I've seen from many many videos handling of POWs seems pretty tame. Of course there is gonna be hatred it's a civil war, but superiors always shut down ideas of executing or beating prisoners and seem to handle the whole affair pretty decently. Yeah there's the humiliation shit and minor beatings but what can ya do. In a perfect world POWs are treated perfectly but conflict isn't perfect. Compared to where in Syria no matter what side captures you there's a good chance you're simply gonna be laid down and shot in the head. [editline]18th February 2015[/editline] I'm sorry but let's be honest these mythical rules are rarely ever followed or held to a tee especially in something as dirty and personal as a civil war. I'm not condoning it but to be so shocked is to be naive.[/QUOTE] You know bringing up someone's opinion doesn't make yours better.
[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;47204584]Could you please also quote all the posters that told you that it's naive to expect everyone to treat pows like friends, the rebels haven't hurt the pows or even humilated them? Just so people get a complete picture.[/QUOTE] Do their comments change the validity of his posts and sources in relation to the concrete-ness of the Geneva convention? This is exactly what I'm talking about, you're faced with something head on, and you sidestep it with some BS counterpost that has little to nothing to do with the point at hand.
And then he disappears until another Russia/Ukraine thread and then the cycle of "you're wrong" starts again. Fuck...
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