Shit's about to go down in California in November, Marijuana legalization up on the ballot - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Mr_Sun;21021405]Ive had a drug expert lecture this to me for 2 hours each for the past month. maybe they are pulling it out of their ass. And I dont think Facepunch has any doctors now do we?[/QUOTE] They could be. Either way I demand a source.

[QUOTE=Nyaos;21021444]Carl Sagan said something about weed, it being a shame that such a wonderful mind expanding drug is barred from public use. [editline]04:49PM[/editline] Eating food changes the way your brain works. You're hungry, pissed off, depressed, then you inject this special pizza drug into your stomach and then suddenly you feel much better! Fucking mind altering pizza substance.[/QUOTE] that would be neurotransmitters and a Synapse but thats natural to humans. the way weed works isnt natural. but neither is nicotine or alcohol... so I guess this is just a start to another drug we dont really need. [editline]10:52PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Billiam;21021498]They could be. Either way I demand a source.[/QUOTE] *something* Harrison, of *SOMETHING OR OTHER* Washington, USA with a Doctorate in Human physiology, Anatomy and something else. I have another lesson tomorrow on this so Ill ask her some questions I have from reading this thread. ill try to enlighten you guys but who knows. maybe shes secretly a heroine addict with some form of mental retardation and is feeding us the wrong information. thats the problem with teachers now days, you never know what the fuck they are doing.

[QUOTE=Mr_Sun;21021503]that would be neurotransmitters and a Synapse but thats natural to humans. the way weed works isnt natural. but neither is nicotine or alcohol... so I guess this is just a start to another drug we dont really need.[/QUOTE] If you're gonna legalize alcohol and tobacco, then Weed should be legalized in all fairness. Either that or you ban all of them, and I'm really not thinking that is a good idea. Tobacco use has dropped in the US simply due to education (and a bit of help from taxing to be fair). Banning shit doesn't help anything, it just exasperates the problem. Maybe we can execute people for smoking weed like Singapore does.

[QUOTE=Mr_Sun;21021405]Ive had a drug expert lecture this to me for 2 hours each for the past month. maybe they are pulling it out of their ass. And I dont think Facepunch has any doctors now do we?[/QUOTE] Someone find thisispain

[QUOTE=Mr_Sun;21021503]that would be neurotransmitters and a Synapse but thats natural to humans. [B]the way weed works isnt natural[/B]. but neither is nicotine or alcohol... so I guess this is just a start to another drug we dont really need. [editline]10:52PM[/editline] *something* Harrison, of *SOMETHING OR OTHER* Washington, USA with a Doctorate in Human physiology, Anatomy and something else.[/QUOTE] What. How can something not be natural. Anything in the universe is natural, what the fuck? Also, [quote=Wiki]Pharmacology [B]The pharmacological actions of THC result from its binding to the cannabinoid receptor CB1[/B], located mainly in the central nervous system, and the CB2 receptor, mainly present in cells of the immune system.[B] It acts as a partial agonist on both receptors, i.e., it activates them but not to their full extent. The psychoactive effects of THC are mediated by its activation of the CB1 receptor[/B], which is the most abundant G protein-coupled receptor in the brain. The presence of these specialized receptors in the brain implied to researchers that endogenous cannabinoids are manufactured by the body, so the search began for a substance normally manufactured in the brain that binds to these receptors, the so-called natural ligand or agonist, leading to the eventual discovery of anandamide, 2-arachidonyl glyceride (2-AG), and other related compounds known as endocannabinoids. This story resembles the discovery of the endogenous opiates (endorphins, enkephalins, and dynorphin), after the realization that morphine and other opiates bind to specific receptors in the brain. In addition, it has been shown that cannabinoids, through an unknown mechanism, activate endogenous opioid pathways involving the μ1 opioid receptor, precipitating a dopamine release in the nucleus accumbens. The effects of the drug can be suppressed by the CB1 cannabinoid receptor antagonist rimonabant (SR141716A) as well as opioid receptor antagonists (opioid blockers) naloxone and naloxonazine.[12] The mechanism of endocannabinoid synaptic transmission is thought to occur as follows: First, transmission of the excitatory neurotransmitter glutamate causes an influx of calcium ions into the post-synaptic neuron. Through a mechanism not yet fully understood, the presence of post-synaptic calcium induces the production of endocannabinoids in the post-synaptic neuron. These endocannabinoids (such as anandamide), then, are released into the synaptic cleft, where binding occurs at cannabinoid receptors present on pre-synaptic neurons, where they modulate neurotransmission. Thus, this form of neurotransmission is termed retrograde transmission, as the signal is carried in the opposite direction of orthodox propagation, which previously was thought to be exclusively one way. THC has mild to moderate analgesic effects, and cannabis can be used to treat pain. The mechanism for analgesic effects caused directly by THC or other cannabinoid agonists is not fully understood. Other effects include relaxation; euphoria; altered space-time perception; alteration of visual, auditory, and olfactory senses; anxiety; disorientation; fatigue; and appetite stimulation (colloquially known as "the munchies"). The mechanism for appetite stimulation in subjects is believed to result from activity in the gastro-hypothalamic axis. CB1 activity in the hunger centers in the hypothalamus increases the palatability of food when levels of a hunger hormone ghrelin increase as food enters the stomach. After chyme is passed into the duodenum, signaling hormones such as cholecystokinin and leptin are released, causing reduction in gastric emptying and transmission of satiety signals to the hypothalamus. Cannabinoid activity is reduced through the satiety signals induced by leptin release. It also has anti-emetic properties, and also may reduce aggression in certain subjects. THC has an active metabolite, 11-Hydroxy-THC, which may also play a role in the analgesic and recreational effects of cannabis. The α7 nicotinic receptor antagonist methyllycaconitine can block self-administration of THC in rats comparable to the effects of varenicline on nicotine administration.[13][14][/quote] How is that not natural?

Natural to the human body. sorry should have put that in.

There's a bigger point to this. It doesn't matter whether or not weed is bad for you, as keeping it illegal makes more people use it and funds a huge criminal underworld.

[QUOTE=Mr_Sun;21021503] *something* Harrison, of *SOMETHING OR OTHER* Washington, USA with a Doctorate in Human physiology, Anatomy and something else. [/QUOTE] What I mean is find me a study suggesting ingestion of marijuana leads to mental retardation as you age. [editline]04:58PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Mr_Sun;21021587]Natural to the human body. sorry should have put that in.[/QUOTE] What about aspirin and chemotherapy?

[QUOTE=Mr_Sun;21021587]Natural to the human body. sorry should have put that in.[/QUOTE] Maybe next time you can take the time to read the block of text. [quote][B]The presence of these specialized receptors in the brain implied to researchers that endogenous cannabinoids are manufactured by the body, so the search began for a substance normally manufactured in the brain that binds to these receptors, the so-called natural ligand or agonist, leading to the eventual discovery of anandamide[/B][/quote] [editline]05:59PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Mr_Sun;21021587]Natural to the human body. sorry should have put that in.[/QUOTE] Also, appeal to nature fallacy. [quote]Appeal to nature is a fallacy of relevance consisting of a claim that something is good or right because it is natural, or that something is bad or wrong because it is unnatural or artificial. In this type of fallacy nature is often implied as an ideal or desired state of being, a state of how things were, should be, or are: in this sense an appeal to nature may resemble an appeal to tradition.[/quote]

[QUOTE=Billiam;21021614]What about aspirin and chemotherapy?[/QUOTE] Yeah, because taking a pill for your pain is just as bad as wasting your day in a smoky haze.

[QUOTE=Cael;21021682]Yeah, because taking a pill for your pain is just as [B]bad as wasting your day in a smoky haze[/B].[/QUOTE] Weed relieves pain, also, I thought you were gone? See there you go being a self righteous asshole. Who the fuck are you to say how people should spend their time?

[QUOTE=Cael;21021682]Yeah, because taking a pill for your pain is just as bad as wasting your day in a smoky haze.[/QUOTE] Good sir, you seem to forget that marijuana is just as potent in relieving pain and other medical conditions. And that non-prescription pills like aspirin have proved to be deadly. I myself would rather have someone sit down on a couch and enjoy themselves than OD on medicine. Besides, what's so bad about wasting a day if you enjoy it? Is it really a waste if you're having fun in a relatively safe manner?

[QUOTE=Cael;21021682]Yeah, because taking a pill for your pain is just as bad as wasting your day in a smoky haze.[/QUOTE] You assume everyone that smokes weed is a lazy bum. Again, Carl Sagan. That's like assuming every homosexual is a flamer that hits on every guy.

[QUOTE=Billiam;21021712]Good sir, you seem to forget that marijuana is just as potent in relieving pain and other medical conditions. And that non-prescription pills like aspirin have proved to be deadly. I myself would rather have someone sit down on a couch and enjoy themselves than OD on medicine. Besides, what's so bad about wasting a day if you enjoy it?[B] Is it really a waste if you're having fun[/B] in a relatively safe manner?[/QUOTE] You didn't read the thread earlier did you? Cael doesn't like fun.

[QUOTE=Kybalt;21021710] See there you go being a self righteous asshole. Who the fuck are you to say how people should spend their time?[/QUOTE] Is this the same guy who said if he was in power he would remove all non-essentials or something? [editline]05:04PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Kybalt;21021739]You didn't read the thread earlier did you? Cael doesn't like fun.[/QUOTE] Ah, so he is.

[QUOTE=Kybalt;21021710]Weed relieves pain, also, I thought you were gone? See there you go being a self righteous asshole. Who the fuck are you to say how people should spend their time?[/QUOTE] I was gone. Then I went to sleep, woke back up, and saw you (plural) being just as ignorant as you were yesterday. And I honestly don't care if you think I'm self righteous, because humans are naturally stupid, and more often than not, their hands need to be held.

[QUOTE=Billiam;21021742]Is this the same guy who said if he was in power he would remove all non-essentials or something?[/QUOTE] Yes.

[QUOTE=Billiam;21021712]Good sir, you seem to forget that marijuana is just as potent in relieving pain and other medical conditions. And that non-prescription pills like aspirin have proved to be deadly. I myself would rather have someone sit down on a couch and enjoy themselves than OD on medicine. Besides, what's so bad about wasting a day if you enjoy it? Is it really a waste if you're having fun in a relatively safe manner?[/QUOTE] I'm all for medicinal use if it's completely necessary, and I'm completely against recreational drug use, but I don't say 'this drug is bad. That one isn't'.

[QUOTE=Cael;21021747]I was gone. Then I went to sleep, woke back up, and saw you (plural) being just as ignorant as you were yesterday. [B]And I honestly don't care if you think I'm self righteous,[/B] because humans are naturally stupid, and more often than not, their hands need to be held.[/QUOTE] I don't think you are self righteous, because a definition of a state of something, in this case you, isn't something that is subject to opinion. [quote=Dictionary.com] –adjective confident of one's own righteousness, esp. when smugly moralistic and intolerant of the opinions and behavior of others. [/quote] You are self righteous by definition.

[QUOTE=Cael;21021784]I'm all for medicinal use if it's completely necessary,[B] and I'm completely against recreational drug use[/B], but I don't say 'this drug is bad. That one isn't'.[/QUOTE] I'm Cael and I don't want people to have fun in ways I don't approve of.

[QUOTE=Kybalt;21021739]You didn't read the thread earlier did you? Cael doesn't like fun.[/QUOTE] Har har har. You're so funny. Grow up.

[QUOTE=Cael;21021747]And I honestly don't care if you think I'm self righteous, because humans are naturally stupid, and more often than not, their hands need to be held.[/QUOTE] Authoritarianism =/= Holding hands You're talking about banning the substance. Regulation would fit into your metaphor more properly.

[QUOTE=Cael;21021792]Har har har. You're so funny. [B]Grow up[/B].[/QUOTE] That's pretty ironic considering you're the one being intolerant of other people's life styles.

[QUOTE=Billiam;21021804]Authoritarianism =/= Holding hands You're talking about banning the substance. Regulation would fit into your metaphor more properly.[/QUOTE] I guess. My overall point at the moment is that the world would probably be a lot before off for humankind if we were less human. We have incredibly fast modes of transportation. High velocities, higher force-impacts, more casualties. We could walk, and be safe, but we're too impatient for that.

hey dont get mad at me dont kill the messenger.

[QUOTE=Kybalt;21021826]That's pretty ironic considering you're the one being intolerant of other people's life styles.[/QUOTE] I don't go around now, finding people and reporting them, do I? If marijuana is legalized, it [i]will[/i] affect my life, regardless of what your denial tells you.

[QUOTE=Cael;21021852]I guess. My overall point at the moment is that the world would probably be a lot before off for humankind if we were less human. We have incredibly fast modes of transportation. High velocities, higher force-impacts, more casualties. We could walk, and be safe, but we're too impatient for that.[/QUOTE] Happiness, growth, and living standards always seem to be high in countries with increased individual freedom. So no.

[QUOTE=Cael;21021852]I guess. My overall point at the moment is that the world would probably be a lot [B]before off[/B] for humankind if we were less human. We have incredibly fast modes of transportation. High velocities, higher force-impacts, more casualties. We could walk, and be safe, but we're too impatient for that.[/QUOTE] I'm going to assume you meant better off. Out of curiosity, are you religious? Anyway, how could the world be better off? What is your definition of better off? To what end? [editline]06:12PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Cael;21021877]I don't go around now, finding people and reporting them, do I? If marijuana is legalized, it [i]will[/i] affect my life, regardless of what your denial tells you.[/QUOTE] Uh, I don't know if you do that, but do share how your life will be affected?

[QUOTE=Kybalt;21021887]I'm going to assume you meant better off. Out of curiosity, are you religious? Anyway, how could the world be better off? What is your definition of better off? To what end?[/QUOTE] Yes, I did mean better off. I didn't get [i]much[/i] sleep. I'm Jewish, but I don't preach, or really bring up my religion unless someone asks me. I think that there are two states of quality. There's the quality of the individual, and the quality of the whole. The quality of the individual is increased with freedom, and represents a person's happiness above all else. The quality of the whole is increased with safety, and represents the ability for all the individuals to come together as a coherent, stable society.

[QUOTE=Cael;21021957]Yes, I did mean better off. I didn't get [i]much[/i] sleep.[B] I'm Jewish[/B], but I don't preach, or really bring up my religion unless someone asks me. I think that there are two states of quality. There's the quality of the individual, and the quality of the whole. The quality of the individual is increased with freedom, and represents a person's happiness above all else. The quality of the whole is increased with safety, and represents the ability for all the individuals to come together as a coherent, stable society.[/QUOTE] I'm not surprised. Not that you're Jewish, I didn't ask you what religion you were, I asked if you were religious, and I'm not surprised that you are. Is the quality of the individual above the quality of the whole?