Shit's about to go down in California in November, Marijuana legalization up on the ballot - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Kybalt;21021887]Uh, I don't know if you do that, but do share how your life will be affected?[/QUOTE] We've covered that people show a lack of motivation while under the influence. In the grand scheme of things, if people are less motivated, jobs wont be an issue because no one will be making the effort to fill them. But since no one is doing the jobs, nothing will get done. I also refuse to breath in any of the smoke, and I'd be willing to bet that if marijuana is legalized, it'll be legalized for public use. I should have the right to clean air.

You guys are going of on a crazy philosophical tangent. The bottom line is that Illegal weed funds massive criminal empires in South America, as well as home Taxing weed is a huge revenue boost to the economy Weed is less dangerous than alcohol and cigarettes Banning it has not stopped mass use of the drug Prisons are filling with repeat offenders, costing tax payer money

[QUOTE=Kybalt;21021996]I'm not surprised. Not that you're Jewish, I didn't ask you what religion you were, I asked if you were religious, and I'm not surprised that you are. Is the quality of the individual above the quality of the whole?[/QUOTE] That's really a tough one, because I consider myself to side with the democratic ideology most of the time, at least, when the democratic party was all about human rights. I think the quality of the individual should be upheld and promoted as much as possible, so long as it doesn't interfere with the quality of the whole.

[QUOTE=Cael;21021998][B]We've covered that people show a lack of motivation while under the influence. In the grand scheme of things, if people are less motivated, jobs wont be an issue because no one will be making the effort to fill them. But since no one is doing the jobs, nothing will get done.[/B] I also refuse to breath in any of the smoke, and I'd be willing to bet that if marijuana is legalized, it'll be legalized for public use. I should have the right to clean air.[/QUOTE] I only wish you could comprehend how stupid your argument is. You want to keep weed illegal because it "lowers motivation while high." Despite the fact that these same people wouldn't be doing something productive anyway if they weren't high, or could create art and such while high. Further more, you're convinced that it's bad for society, and want to keep it illegal, yet you ignore how making it illegal makes people do it more and creates a criminal industry. If you don't want to breath it in, that's your business, I'm sure a law against smoking it in public would be easy to get passed. [editline]06:22PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Cael;21022040]That's really a tough one, because I consider myself to side with the democratic ideology most of the time, at least, when the democratic party was all about human rights. [B]I think the quality of the individual should be upheld and promoted as much as possible, so long as it doesn't interfere with the quality of the whole[/B].[/QUOTE] Then how the hell are you against legalization.

[QUOTE=Kybalt;21022077]I only wish you could comprehend how stupid your argument is. You want to keep weed illegal because it "lowers motivation while high." Despite the fact that these same people wouldn't be doing something productive anyway if they weren't high, or could create art and such while high. Further more, you're convinced that it's bad for society, and want to keep it illegal, yet you ignore how making it illegal makes people do it more and creates a criminal industry..[/QUOTE] If you asked the average smoker if they would rather go to work or sit around all day and smoke, what do you think the answer would be? And while you're at it, why don't you show me some [i]scientific research[/i] that people are more likely to do something because it's illegal.

[QUOTE=Cael;21022116]If you asked the average smoker if they would rather go to work or sit around all day and smoke, what do you think the answer would be?[/QUOTE] People would rather do a lot of things rather than work, I don't see where you're going with this. Millions of people in America do weed and if anything we have a shortage of work.

[QUOTE=Kybalt;21022077]Then how the hell are you against legalization.[/QUOTE] Because I believe it interferes with the quality of the whole. And, at the risk of sounding self-righteous again, I think that having a dependence on an external substance to feel good (Or just having emotions without 'earning' them) isn't healthy for anyone.

[QUOTE=johanz;20956263]If they tax it, US will become damn rich.[/QUOTE] black market weed is going to start up pretty damn fast depending on how much the tax is.

[QUOTE=flippy645;20957332]weed is bad for you you know that right?[/QUOTE] Your right, but it's no worse than smoking cigarettes. It just has a better effect and it isn't addictive ( in most cases anyway )

[QUOTE=Cael;21022116][B]If you asked the average smoker if they would rather go to work or sit around all day and smoke, what do you think the answer would be?[/B] And while you're at it, why don't you show me some [i]scientific research[/i] that people are more likely to do something because it's illegal.[/QUOTE] If you asked the average "gamer" if s/he would rather go to school or sit around playing games all day, what do you think the answer would be? This argument proves nothing. As for your second point, see prohibition in the 1920s. [quote]By the 1920s The United States and the provinces within Canada had adopted prohibition (a law forbidding the sale of alcohol)[1].[B] It was during that era that North America gave birth to some of the largest crime syndicates[/B], most vicious criminals, and mafia leaders. Al Capone, Bugs Moran, Johnny Torrio, The Purple Gang, and Peter Licavoli became household names[2]. For the Mafia and the gangsters, prohibition meant employment, easy money, good times, shiny new cars, and new suits[3]. The tainted money, prostitution, loan sharking, bookmarking, extortion and other criminal rackets paled in comparison to the intake from bootlegging[4]. [B]Prohibition created an atmosphere that allowed crime to fester, an atmosphere which the mafia exploited.[/B] [B]Less than a year after prohibition after the legislation was enacted, more than 900,000 cases of liquor were being shipped to the border cities for what was allowed as private consumption[/B][5]. In the area of Windsor, Ontario Canada alone,[B] the per capita consumption of liquor increased from a pre- 1914 level of 9 gallons to a staggering 102 gallons by 1924 while it was technically illegal to drink[6].[/B] This mass consumption created a high demand for liquor products and the mafia in Canada and in The United States was able to provide for this through numerous interconnected and highly efficient transport methods.[/quote] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mafia_during_Prohibition[/url] Follow the links for the things in brackets to see where they are cited from.

[QUOTE=Cael;21022151]Because I believe it interferes with the quality of the whole. And, at the risk of sounding self-righteous again, I think that having a dependence on an external substance to feel good (Or just having emotions without 'earning' them) isn't healthy for anyone.[/QUOTE] legalize everything we waste too much money trying to crack down on the drug trade and what the fuck do you care if someone is getting high? does it really affect you?

[QUOTE=Billiam;21022132]People would rather do a lot of things rather than work, I don't see where you're going with this. Millions of people in America do weed and if anything we have a shortage of work.[/QUOTE] I guess I wasn't being clear. I meant, if they had work that day, and had the option of either working or staying home to get stoned, which would they more likely act on?

[QUOTE=Cael;21022151]Because I believe it interferes with the quality of the whole.[/QUOTE] Prohibition leads to more arrests, deaths, and wastes tax payer money. If you're worried about the quality of the whole you'd more likely be supporting legalization. [QUOTE=Cael;21022151]And, at the risk of sounding self-righteous again, I think that having a dependence on an external substance to feel good (Or just having emotions without 'earning' them) isn't healthy for anyone.[/QUOTE] Ban vidya games, ban pornography, ban books.

[QUOTE=Cael;21022116]If you asked the average smoker if they would rather go to work or sit around all day and smoke, what do you think the answer would be? And while you're at it, why don't you show me some [I]scientific research[/I] that people are more likely to do something because it's illegal.[/QUOTE] work so they could buy more weed

[QUOTE=BrickInHead;21022168]and what the fuck do you care if someone is getting high? does it really affect you?[/QUOTE] I've already been over how I think it will affect me.

[QUOTE=Cael;21022177]I guess I wasn't being clear. I meant, if they had work that day, and had the option of either working or staying home to get stoned, which would they more likely act on?[/QUOTE] People do both for a reason, both offer incentive. But most likely a person would choose to go to work.

[QUOTE=Cael;21022177]I guess I wasn't being clear. I meant, if they had work that day, and had the option of either working or staying home to get stoned, which would they more likely act on?[/QUOTE] I guess I wasn't being clear. I meant, if they had work that day, and had the option of either working or staying home to play video games, which would they more likely act on?

[QUOTE=Billiam;21022179]Prohibition leads to more arrests, deaths, and wastes tax payer money. If you're worried about the quality of the whole you'd more likely be supporting legalization.[/QUOTE] So you're saying we need to give into the selfish desires of humans? [QUOTE=Billiam;21022179]Ban vidya games, ban pornography, ban books.[/QUOTE] Completely different things. Whether it's porn, games, or books, you're experiencing the sensations through your senses (In the case of books, reading them, and then your brain interpreting the words as 'memories'.) and you are [i]feeling[/i] the emotions. Substances just bypass the experience part and tell your brain what to feel.

[QUOTE=Kybalt;21022236]I guess I wasn't being clear. I meant, if they had work that day, and had the option of either working or staying home to play video games, which would they more likely act on?[/QUOTE] Fuck video games, I know people who'd skip work for ANYTHING if they had the option, but they don't, because people need money because people have bills.

[QUOTE=Kybalt;21022236]I guess I wasn't being clear. I meant, if they had work that day, and had the option of either working or staying home to play video games, which would they more likely act on?[/QUOTE] Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot that video games create a physiological dependency.

[QUOTE=Cael;21022248]So you're saying we need to give into the selfish desires of humans? [B]Completely different things[/B]. Whether it's porn, games, or books, you're experiencing the sensations through your senses (In the case of books, reading them, and then your brain interpreting the words as 'memories'.) and you are [i]feeling[/i] the emotions. Substances just bypass the experience part and tell your brain what to feel.[/QUOTE] Both trigger a release of dopamine.

[QUOTE=Cael;21022190]I've already been over how I think it will affect me.[/QUOTE] fuck if i've read the thread i'm too busy smokin weed

[QUOTE=Cael;21022248]So you're saying we need to give into the selfish desires of humans?[/QUOTE] So you're saying the good of the whole isn't what's at stake here? [QUOTE=Cael;21022248]Completely different things. Whether it's porn, games, or books, you're experiencing the sensations through your senses (In the case of books, reading them, and then your brain interpreting the words as 'memories'.) and you are [I]feeling[/I] the emotions. Substances just bypass the experience part and tell your brain what to feel.[/QUOTE] That's bad because...?

[QUOTE=Billiam;21022259]Fuck video games, I know people who'd skip work for ANYTHING if they had the option, but they don't, because people need money because people have bills.[/QUOTE] But if you have that attitude, mixed with the decision-impairment of marijuana, you would probably end up with people skipping out on work anyway, before realizing that they need to money to buy more.

[QUOTE=Cael;21022264]Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot that video games create a physiological dependency.[/QUOTE] Oh I'm sorry that I forgot about how weed causes physical addiction. Oh wait it doesn't. [editline]06:33PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Cael;21022288]But if you have that attitude,[B] mixed with the decision-impairment of marijuana[/B], you would probably end up with people skipping out on work anyway, before realizing that they need to money to buy more.[/QUOTE] If they are high then that means that they made the decision to stay home while sober. That's like saying we should ban alcohol because people will get drunk and forget to go to work. This obviously isn't a problem with alcohol so why would it be an issue with weed? Further more, weed has been intertwined with humanity since 8000BC. It's banning has been a very recent thing, (1930s) and it was banned for a horrible reason.

[QUOTE=Billiam;21022286]So you're saying the good of the whole isn't what's at stake here?[/QUOTE] I'm saying that if you allow something because people are going to do it anyway, then you might as well do away with the justice system. [QUOTE=Billiam;21022286]That's bad because...?[/QUOTE] I guess this is my opinion, that a fake emotion is not healthy.

[QUOTE=Cael;21022288]But if you have that attitude, mixed with the decision-impairment of marijuana, you would probably end up with people skipping out on work anyway, before realizing that they need to money to buy more.[/QUOTE] hey i'll make shit up with no source to back up my claims you assume weed users are like heroiin addicts, too high to do anything but sit around

[QUOTE=Cael;21022264]Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot that video games create a physiological dependency.[/QUOTE] it does. [QUOTE=Kybalt;21022299]Oh I'm sorry that I forgot about how weed causes physical addiction. Oh wait it doesn't.[/QUOTE] it does. both affect brain physiology by re-routing reward pathways to include the affected areas of the brain

[QUOTE=Cael;21022329]I'm saying that if you allow something because people are going to do it anyway, then you might as well do away with the justice system.[/QUOTE] victimless crime

[QUOTE=Cael;21022288]But if you have that attitude, mixed with the decision-impairment of marijuana, you would probably end up with people skipping out on work anyway, before realizing that they need to money to buy more.[/QUOTE] This is based on...? People can hate something, but realize their needs, if they don't why does that matter in regards to the whole? Someone can fill that position easy. [editline]05:35PM[/editline] [QUOTE=PrismatexV8;21022348]victimless crime[/QUOTE] This. [editline]05:36PM[/editline] [QUOTE=PrismatexV8;21022332]hey i'll make shit up with no source to back up my claims you assume weed users are like heroiin addicts, too high to do anything but sit around[/QUOTE] This too.