BREAKING NEWS: Large Scale Terrorist Attack in France -- Multiple Explosions, Gunfire! Death toll at - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Cypher_09;49112863]That's all well and fucking great but what if you're sitting outside a restaurant and suddenly you're gunned down in the middle of the street by an automatic rifle, or going to see a concert in safe old Europe and on that same night you're executed viciously. The solution is to remove the [B]people [/B]doing this. Grow the fuck up.[/QUOTE] haha what? Of course it's people, that is precisely what he wrote in that twitter. I think when he wrote people he meant pointing fingers at people grouped as a religion, race or gender. That is how I see it anyway

[QUOTE=Sgt.Kickass;49112866]Have you forgot that not ALL terrorists are islamists?[/QUOTE] Most terrorist action in modern society is attributable to Islam there is no arguing against this fact.

Seeing all the extremist and racist stuff posted in this thread would make terrorists pretty happy.

[QUOTE=Mooe94;49112892]haha what? Of course it's people, that is precisely what he wrote in that twitter. I think when he wrote people he meant not pointing fingers at people grouped as a religion, race or gender. That is how I see it anyway[/QUOTE] And he's right it's nothing to do with Islam. ... ...

[QUOTE=Cypher_09;49112886]Maybe, but I think as of tonight it's gone too for for us to fight this with "love". This can't happen again in Europe and a lot of people look really naive posting shit like that[/QUOTE] You do realize that this mentality will cause millions of more deaths and probably won't fix a damn thing, right?

[QUOTE=ClauAmericano;49112831][img]http://i.imgur.com/z4klZL2.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] Yeah remember when that guy who was a.... uhm... Hm...

[QUOTE=Banhfunbags;49112897]Seeing all the extremist and racist stuff posted in this thread would make terrorists pretty happy.[/QUOTE] Care to point out the extremism here? Or are you intentionally taking the piss by calling forum posts extremism

[QUOTE=Cocacoladude;49112893]Most terrorist action in modern society is attributable to Islam there is no arguing against this fact.[/QUOTE] Please understand, it's not BECAUSE of Islam, it's RELATED to Islam. There is a stark difference. These attacks are RELATED to Islam because the people who committed them followed it. The religion itself didn't tell them to do it, it was from their own delusions of what the religion says.

[QUOTE=Cypher_09;49112904]And he's right it's nothing to do with Islam. ... ...[/QUOTE] In itself I don't think so, no. It's way more complex than that. You still can not group that many people of an issue that is way more intricate than religion = bad ideals = all 'bad' people = all bad people doing bad stuff all the time I don't know, I'm going to bed now

[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy18;49112885]I don't think even 5% of American christians would support suicide bombing in the name of Jesus. You're free to prove me wrong, but so far it seems you're deep in denial about the fact that Islam is THE most radicalized religion on Earth at the moment[/QUOTE] Who cares about other religions and why even bring it up? I'm not talking about American Christians, I'm talking about Islam and its radical counterpart. If you believe that the actions of the few represent the majority in Islam's case (which your poll clearly pointed out that it was the few's actions and not the majority's), then I'm arguing with a brick wall at this point.

[QUOTE=ClauAmericano;49112905]You do realize that this mentality will cause millions of more deaths and probably won't fix a damn thing, right?[/QUOTE] I'm not saying go to war in the M.E. I'm saying take better care of our own homes

[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy18;49112680]When was the last time you saw a radical buddhist shooting up Paris? [video=youtube;mpy7R2MM6ng]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpy7R2MM6ng[/video][/QUOTE] Minority muslims in Burma are on the verge of genocide at the hands of majority Budhhists in Burma try again

[QUOTE=kweh;49112906]Yeah remember when that guy who was a.... uhm... Hm...[/QUOTE] the [I]overwhelming majority [/I]of terrorist attacks in the western world are committed by non-muslims

[QUOTE=Banhfunbags;49112897]Seeing all the extremist and racist stuff posted in this thread would make terrorists pretty happy.[/QUOTE] People are reacting to a very real threat that just fucked them hard. It is not that difficult to think of this from a different perspective than your own. God damn all of you guys are some narrow minded dickheads. Both the people hating on Muslims as a whole and the people trying to condemn them.

[QUOTE=WitheredGryphon;49112913]Who gives cares about other religions and why even bring ti up? I'm not talking about American Christians, I'm talking about Islam and it's radical counterpart. If you believe that the actions of the few represent the majority in Islam's case (which your poll clearly pointed out that it was the few's actions and not the majority's), then I'm arguing with a brick wall at this point.[/QUOTE] What the fuck are you talking about? There were quite a few countries in which a minority said "never." The point is, why import mass quantities of people when at least 1/3 of them are radicals that support suicide bombing?

[QUOTE=Mooe94;49112911]In itself I don't think so, no. It's way more complex than that. You still can not group that many people of an issue that is way more intricate than religion = bad ideals = all 'bad' people = all bad people doing bad stuff all the time I don't know, I'm going to bed now[/QUOTE] Dude stop being afraid of being called racist. you're not we get it

People are quick to blame "religion" - well .... guess what the world's central bankers (the so-called International Community) are trying to eliminate? That's right. Every religion except paganism and the Climate deity mother-earth God. They take control of the religious, subvert their groups with poisonous ideology and dirty money and turn them against the targets that make geopolitical sense for them. Extreme ideology and intent to cause harm is the problem here. Pious types tend not to go around murdering people.

[QUOTE=Cocacoladude;49112847]Your own referencing of Wikipedia seems pretty damning however that a significant portion of Muslims do in fact condone violence in some way or another. From the article you decided to reference. Now I don't know about you. But those are some pretty significant portions of the population. You can go ahead and claim the majority is against such acts. But when almost a quarter of the population based on your source is cool with this kind of shit. There is a problem somewhere in their ideology.[/QUOTE] Let's take it into account: 90% of the people that it cannot often be justified - 70% of the population believe only rarely can it be justified. 70% again in turkey believe only rarely. In Indonesia, which is the country in the world with the largest muslim population, 71% of Muslims believe it is never justified, and 89% believe it is only rarely justified. The Pew Research center poll shows that 72% of Muslims believe violence against civilians is never justified, and in the US, 81% of Muslims oppose violence. 16-24 year olds are the most likely to incite violence. Considering most of Facepunch is 16-24 and advocating killing them all I think its fair to say that 16-24 year olds are just more violent in general. Perhaps the results aren't as encouraging as what you want but the statistics do show, without a shadow of a doubt that if we're going to generalise muslims, we should be doing it based on what most Muslims believe, and what most Muslims ACTUALLY believe is that terrorism is wrong. Furthermore, the statistics show that way less than a quarter is 'cool' with it. The number for those who think it is 'often' justified is less than 10%. Maybe a significant problem exists in the middle east with this but I'd just like to point out that if you do pay attention to these statistics and still think Islam needs to be wiped out, then 1.57 billion people exist in the world, and you're advocating wiping out say, 1.49 billion people who will never commit a terrorist attack in their life [I]at worst[/I]. That's saying that 5% of Muslims are likely to commit terrorist attacks and it's probably more like 1-2%.

[QUOTE=bananarBanana;49112918]the [I]overwhelming majority [/I]of terrorist attacks in the western world are committed by non-muslims[/QUOTE] "game changing terrorist attacks"?

[QUOTE=Aldawolf;49112917]Minority muslims in Burma are on the verge of genocide at the hands of majority Budhhists in Burma try again[/QUOTE] Does that somehow invalidate Muslim extremism? Extremism of all forms are bad, and all are inexcusable regardless of race/religion or whatever.

[QUOTE=The Party Spy;49112910]Please understand, it's not BECAUSE of Islam, it's RELATED to Islam. There is a stark difference. These attacks are RELATED to Islam because the people who committed them followed it. The religion itself didn't tell them to do it, it was from their own delusions of what the religion says.[/QUOTE] Islam wasn't the cause of this. Islam was the [I]excuse[/I] used by those who did this.

[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy18;49112921]What the fuck are you talking about? There were quite a few countries in which a minority said "never." The point is, why import mass quantities of people when at least 1/3 of them are radicals that support suicide bombing?[/QUOTE] the thing is that the refugees fleeing their country are most likely going to be the people that voted 'never'. Otherwise, why would they leave? It's not like we're going round and making sure that exactly 30-odd percent of the refugees are 'radical'.

[QUOTE=gman003-main;49112930]Islam wasn't the cause of this. Islam was the [I]excuse[/I] used by those who did this.[/QUOTE] Thank you, I couldn't come up with the right words to describe what I meant, cheers :v:

[QUOTE=killerteacup;49112927]Let's take it into account: 90% of the people that it cannot often be justified - 70% of the population believe only rarely can it be justified. 70% again in turkey believe only rarely. In Indonesia, which is the country in the world with the largest muslim population, 71% of Muslims believe it is never justified, and 89% believe it is only rarely justified. The Pew Research center poll shows that 72% of Muslims believe violence against civilians is never justified, and in the US, 81% of Muslims oppose violence. 16-24 year olds are the most likely to incite violence. Considering most of Facepunch is 16-24 and advocating killing them all I think its fair to say that 16-24 year olds are just more violent in general. Perhaps the results aren't as encouraging as what you want but the statistics do show, without a shadow of a doubt that if we're going to generalise muslims, we should be doing it based on what most Muslims believe, and what most Muslims ACTUALLY believe is that terrorism is wrong. Furthermore, the statistics show that way less than a quarter is 'cool' with it. The number for those who think it is 'often' justified is less than 10%. Maybe a significant problem exists in the middle east with this but I'd just like to point out that if you do pay attention to these statistics and still think Islam needs to be wiped out, then 1.57 billion people exist in the world, and you're advocating wiping out say, 1.49 billion people who will never commit a terrorist attack in their life [I]at worst[/I]. That's saying that 5% of Muslims are likely to commit terrorist attacks and it's probably more like 1-2%.[/QUOTE] You're using the reaction to a horrific attack that killed over one hundred people as a generalization that 16-24 year olds are more violent in general. This makes sense to you? Additionally you left out plenty of other countries where a much larger portion found violence acceptable. You have to take the good with the bad, don't cherry pick statistics. And then you go on to say 1-2%. Thats 1/100 or 1/50 people. That is still a fucking shitload of people. Even when the statistics suggest a higher number.

[QUOTE=The Party Spy;49112910]The religion itself didn't tell them to do it, it was from their own delusions of what the religion says.[/QUOTE] there is no difference between the two All religions are subject to interpretation. All religions are defined by what people believe they say.

[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy18;49112921]What the fuck are you talking about? There were quite a few countries in which a minority said "never." The point is, why import mass quantities of people when at least 1/3 of them are radicals that support suicide bombing?[/QUOTE] Because a large part of them are not radicals and trying to escape that exact threat. If the border policy was strengthened and these threats identified then this wouldn't have happened in the first place. Also I seriously can't believe some of you guys are supporting the person who said Islam should be removed from the West.

[QUOTE=Cocacoladude;49112939]You're using the reaction to a horrific attack that killed over one hundred people as a generalization that 16-24 year olds are more violent in general.[/QUOTE] Nah he's using the same line of reasoning you are so

[QUOTE=FalconKrunch;49112929]Does that somehow invalidate Muslim extremism? Extremism of all forms are bad, and all are inexcusable regardless of race/religion or whatever.[/QUOTE] Extremism is bad but this person is pushing for a hate of all of Islam rather than just the extremists.

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[QUOTE=The Party Spy;49112910]Please understand, it's not BECAUSE of Islam, it's RELATED to Islam. There is a stark difference. These attacks are RELATED to Islam because the people who committed them followed it. The religion itself didn't tell them to do it, it was from their own delusions of what the religion says.[/QUOTE] The faith justifies violence and backwards ideas through its texts. Christianity also does this but Christians are strangely ignorant and selective when it comes to their faith. Tons of muslims practice what the scripture says literally . Thats the problem. [url]http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-overview/[/url]