BREAKING NEWS: Large Scale Terrorist Attack in France -- Multiple Explosions, Gunfire! Death toll at - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;49112946]Nah he's using the same line of reasoning you are so[/QUOTE] I'm just saying it makes sense that people are fucking angry at Muslims in light of this attack.

I hate being the cliched asshole thats like "Both sides are dumb" but both closing your eyes and ears yelling "lalalala terrorism has no religion" for PC points as well as saying that all muslims should be nuked off the face of the planet are really dumb and non-conductive ways to solving this problem.

[QUOTE=asteroidrules;49112954]Anyone wanna point out that these were coordinated with terrorist bombings in Lebanon and Iraq? Or do we just not care about those innocent civilians because they're not white.[/QUOTE] or probably because this is a lot closer to home for the western world.

[QUOTE=killerteacup;49112786][URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_attitudes_towards_terrorism[/URL] You should read statistics before running your mouth. [B]Older men are much less likely to be extremist than 16-24 year olds.[/B] Also you might notice that statistics above show that the countries with the four largest muslim populations all oppose extremism with a huge majority, statistics taken solely from muslims in that country[/QUOTE] "fighting aged men" Just what exactly do you think fighting aged is? hint: its not senior citizens

[QUOTE=Duck M.;49112958]I hate being the cliched asshole thats like "Both sides are dumb" but both closing your eyes and ears yelling "lalalala terrorism has no religion" as well as all muslims should be nuked off the face of the planet are really dumb and non-conductive ways to solving this problem.[/QUOTE] You're completely right, both sides seem incapable of considering the other's viewpoint and its leading to some pretty stupid shit.

Can we stop using a tragedy to push your hateful, shitty agendas or any agendas

[QUOTE=asteroidrules;49112954]Anyone wanna point out that these were coordinated with terrorist bombings in Lebanon and Iraq? Or do we just not care about those innocent civilians because they're not white.[/QUOTE] Theres not confirmation that this has been the case, however they may be related. It's more reported on because its France, a place that hasn't been a war zone since World War Two

Radical Islam is absolutely one of the major religions tied to terrorism. That does not mean [B]all[/B] of Islam is tied to terrorism. Simultaneously, because larger portion terrorists happen to be radical Muslims, that does not make [B]all[/B] of Muslims terrorists.

[QUOTE=gman003-main;49112930]Islam wasn't the cause of this. Islam was the [I]excuse[/I] used by those who did this.[/QUOTE] We know this, but, maybe theres something bad with the religion itself to cause this? Maybe its taken to extremism easier or something? I don't know... Or maybe, as you said, it really is an excuse, now that I think about it. Maybe its just a bunch of fucknuts who want to start shit, and then blame Islam, making it out to be a thing of religion.

[QUOTE=Aldawolf;49112968]Can we stop using a tragedy to push your hateful, shitty agendas or any agendas[/QUOTE] 100% agree but there needs to be an important distinction between pushing agendas and desperately looking for solutions to this problem thats been plaguing the planet for the past ~30 years

[QUOTE=Cocacoladude;49112956]I'm just saying it makes sense that people are fucking angry at Muslims in light of this attack.[/QUOTE] You are right though, I dont see why people are complaining, that's what usually happens. after 7/7 there was a giant mount of hysteria and hate of muslims because of the attacks, although the attackers were all british they were still "muslim".

Islam is part of it but it is not the only underlying factor so saying "Islam is a shitty religion" is being ignorant of just how much SHIT goes into terrorism. It's more than just the religion, there are dozens of factors as to why Islamic terrorism is a problem and the religion itself is just a fraction of it.

[QUOTE=WitheredGryphon;49112971]Radical Islam is absolutely one of the major religions tied to terrorism. That does not mean [B]all[/B] of Islam is tied to terrorism. Simultaneously, because larger portion terrorists happen to be radical Muslims, that does not make [B]all[/B] of Muslims terrorists.[/QUOTE] Not to be inflammatory or anything, but isnt "Radical Islam is absolutely one of the major religions tied to terrorism" indicative of an issue with the religion itself

[QUOTE=cr2142;49112977]You are right though, I dont see why people are complaining, that's what usually happens. after 7/7 there was a giant mount of hysteria and hate of muslims because of the attacks, although the attackers were all british they were still "muslim".[/QUOTE] People are complaining because treating innocent people like shit not only does nothing to help, it pushes said people further towards isolationism from the majority and closer to extremism. Shitting on innocent people is never justified, ever.

[QUOTE=Aldawolf;49112984]Islam is part of it but it is not the only underlying factor so saying "Islam is a shitty religion" is being ignorant of just how much SHIT goes into terrorism. It's more than just the religion, there are dozens of factors as to why Islamic terrorism is a problem and the religion itself is just a fraction of it.[/QUOTE] Absolutely, but Islam being "a part of it" is more than should be allowed

[QUOTE=Duck M.;49112989]Not to be inflammatory or anything, but isnt "Radical Islam is absolutely one of the major religions tied to terrorism" indicative of an issue with the religion itself[/QUOTE] Radical Islam =/= Islam. It is a problem inherent to a subsection of people, but not to the followers as a whole. Is there a problem with Radical Islam? Yes. Is there a problem with Islam as a religion? No.

[QUOTE=Aldawolf;49112984]Islam is part of it but it is not the only underlying factor so saying "Islam is a shitty religion" is being ignorant of just how much SHIT goes into terrorism. It's more than just the religion, there are dozens of factors as to why Islamic terrorism is a problem and the religion itself is just a fraction of it.[/QUOTE] yes but simultaneously that doesn't make the statement "Islam is a shitty religion" wrong

[QUOTE=Duck M.;49112989]Not to be inflammatory or anything, but isnt "Radical Islam is absolutely one of the major religions tied to terrorism" indicative of an issue with the religion itself[/QUOTE] Or maybe an issue with the people using it to radicalize other people as a result of decades of mismanaged foreign policy by western powers and a pretty decadent state of affairs to this day? I dunno.

[QUOTE=WitheredGryphon;49112809]...What?? "Well if some of the Germans supported Hitler they may as well have all been Nazis."[/QUOTE] But that's exactly what happened to the Germans after word war 2. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denazification#Responsibility_and_collective_guilt[/url] Why else would there have been the need to expel all the Germans living in eastern europe?

this is going to fuck up France so much.. Front Nationale will gain so so much more in the polls and the surveillance laws will be so much more comprehensive

[QUOTE=GrizzlyBear;49112990]People are complaining because treating innocent people like shit not only does nothing to help, it pushes said people further towards isolationism from the majority and closer to extremism. Shitting on innocent people is never justified, ever.[/QUOTE] Yup its true, thats why bloody hate the racist groups in my country (Britain First and EDL in particular) because it is literally shitting on people that are completely fine living in our country. Honestly the way how I see it is that both our cultures are different, while for most people its fine to get along with it and cope with the different life, others its quite literally a different world that "affects" their way of life, that alongside the shit that has been happening in the middle east ever since israel was formed have definitely shifted middle eastern views on the western world. Thats my opinion.

[QUOTE=asteroidrules;49112954]Anyone wanna point out that these were coordinated with terrorist bombings in Lebanon and Iraq? Or do we just not care about those innocent civilians because they're not white.[/QUOTE] is your brain fucking plugged in correctly

[QUOTE=Turing;49113013]this is going to fuck up France so much.. Front Nationale will gain so so much more in the polls and the surveillance laws will be so much more comprehensive[/QUOTE] Agreed. Also the whole of Europe will feel this

[QUOTE=WitheredGryphon;49113003]Radical Islam =/= Islam. It is a problem inherent to a subsection of people, but not to the followers as a whole. Is there a problem with Radical Islam? Yes. Is there a problem with Islam as a religion? No.[/QUOTE] People are generally similar and generally want the same things. I don't think it's ever really justified to say that there's something wrong with a group of people. But an idea that those people believe? Those can be fucked up.

[QUOTE=WitheredGryphon;49113003]Radical Islam =/= Islam. It is a problem inherent to a subsection of people, but not to the followers as a whole. Is there a problem with Radical Islam? Yes. Is there a problem with Islam as a religion? No.[/QUOTE] Fair enough, but the ideas behind any radical religion have to be there in the religion for them to be practiced by radicals. Just because more moderate and well-adjusted followers of the religion ignore them doesnt keep them from existing. So yeah, I hate to tip my fedora here but the world would probably be better off with Religion as a whole at this point

So what does the rest of the world do? At what time and at what moment do we stand up and finally say no? Is there a solution? Is there an answer? This will cause issues, security and war wise... this is just the beginning. What are we to do but be overly vigilant.

[QUOTE=Cypher_09;49113024]Agreed. Also the whole of Europe will feel this[/QUOTE] I have a feeling that France will not hold back one gram of their military power, this will be an event remembered in history books as the beginning of something major.... I do not know what this will bring, but it will not die down

I can 100% envision a world where the roles are reversed; Islam is a peaceful reformed religion and people ignore the hateful doctrines of it but maybe have a bias against gay people, but no one is stoned to death and the majority of people are rather secular in their religion However these Islamic secular paradises interfered in Christian Europe and carved arbitrary borders out of Empires and Christian extremism is at it's height: gays are stoned by Christians, anyone who critisizes the dictator of Burgandy dissapears from the streets and maybe even civil wars envelope Europe and refugees go to the benevolent Ottomans who have a crisis. Circumstances lead to terrorism, not religion itself.

[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;49113022]is your brain fucking plugged in correctly[/QUOTE] report and move on

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;49113029]People are generally nice and generally want the same things. I don't think it's ever really justified to say that there's something wrong with a group of people. But an idea that those people believe? Those can be fucked up.[/QUOTE] I agree, and certain beliefs depending on your culture versus theirs will vary and it's okay to dislike that. But to hate a group of people that did nothing wrong other than happen to share a religion that has radical followers who commit acts of terrorism is unacceptable.