BREAKING NEWS: Large Scale Terrorist Attack in France -- Multiple Explosions, Gunfire! Death toll at - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Warriorx4;49113009]Or maybe an issue with the people using it to radicalize other people as a result of decades of mismanaged foreign policy by western powers and a pretty decadent state of affairs to this day? I dunno.[/QUOTE] except, again, this conflict has been going on for centuries. It wasn't invented by the west.

My heart goes out to the victims and the victim's families. [QUOTE=Cocacoladude;49112956]I'm just saying it makes sense that people are fucking angry at Muslims in light of this attack.[/QUOTE] Well, yeah. I'm almost certain that any German inmigrants that left Germany in the early '30s as they watched the Nazis gain power, certainly didn't have a good time in the height of WWII. It's way too easy to generalize. "-Da fuck are you doing here, ya kraut bastard? GTFO of my store before before I shoot your nazi-lovin' ass" Somewhere in the US, circa '40

[QUOTE=WitheredGryphon;49113003]Radical Islam =/= Islam.[/QUOTE] Your "[B]=/=[/B]" isn't that clear and simple anymore...

[QUOTE=Aldawolf;49113038]I can 100% envision a world where the roles are reversed; Islam is a peaceful reformed religion and people ignore the hateful doctrines of it but maybe have a bias against gay people, but no one is stoned to death and the majority of people are rather secular in their religion However these Islamic secular paradises interfered in Christian Europe and carved arbitrary borders out of Empires and Christian extremism is at it's height: gays are stoned by Christians, anyone who critisizes the dictator of Burgandy dissapears from the streets and maybe even civil wars envelope Europe and refugees go to the benevolent Ottomans who have a crisis. Circumstances lead to terrorism, not religion itself.[/QUOTE] Sure, but "ignoring the hateful doctrines" means that they still exist, and we have to start questioning the merits of belief systems that have them

[QUOTE=Turing;49113037]I have a feeling that France will not hold back one gram of their military power, this will be an event remembered in history books as the beginning of something major.... I do not know what this will bring, but it will not die down[/QUOTE] "President Hollande promised a "pitiless" response to Friday's acts of terror. "We are going to lead a war,"" Their usage of the word "pitiless" is harrowingly similar to "merciless", if you catch my meaning [sp]It's not going to be pretty[/sp]

[QUOTE=Cypher_09;49113039]report and move on[/QUOTE] he didn't break any rules, but all of his opinions sure are fucking awful

[QUOTE=Duck M.;49112989]Not to be inflammatory or anything, but isnt "Radical Islam is absolutely one of the major religions tied to terrorism" indicative of an issue with the religion itself[/QUOTE] It depends on how you look at it. Virtually the same stuff happened with Christianity before (but with less casualties due to less advanced warfare at the time), so I'd consider it more of an issue with other factors than with something specific to the religion.

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;49113042]except, again, this conflict has been going on for centuries. It wasn't invented by the west.[/QUOTE] No doubt. I'll give you one good guess as to why the west is feeling the bulk of it now. [QUOTE=Aldawolf;49113038] Circumstances lead to terrorism, not religion itself.[/QUOTE] Bam.

[QUOTE=King of Limbs;49113035]So what does the rest of the world do? At what time and at what moment do we stand up and finally say no? Is there a solution? Is there an answer? This will cause issues, security and war wise... this is just the beginning. What are we to do but be overly vigilant.[/QUOTE] Well hopefully through the light of this we see Russia and USA/Europe get a long to some degree to end this bullshit. one could hope

[QUOTE=Cypher_09;49113049]"President Hollande promised a "pitiless" response to Friday's acts of terror. "We are going to lead a war,"" Their usage of the word "pitiless" is harrowingly similar to "merciless", if you catch my meaning [sp]It's not going to be pretty[/sp][/QUOTE] Does France have anything similar to the Patriot Act?

[QUOTE=Warriorx4;49113009]Or maybe an issue with the people using it to radicalize other people as a result of decades of mismanaged foreign policy by western powers and a pretty decadent state of affairs to this day? I dunno.[/QUOTE] The fact that its capable of being used to such ends is a problem

[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;49113050]he didn't break any rules, but all of his opinions sure are fucking awful[/QUOTE] yeah I was sort of half serious with that. but coming in here to throw "white privileged!" at us right now

[QUOTE=Nicolas;49113046]Your "[B]=/=[/B]" isn't that clear and simple anymore...[/QUOTE] Radical Muslims who act on their beliefs should not be considered or treated the same as their moderate counterparts who have not.

[QUOTE=Duck M.;49113047]Sure, but "ignoring the hateful doctrines" means that they still exist, and we have to start questioning the merits of belief systems that have them[/QUOTE] Judaism has hateful Doctorines. Christianity has hateful doctorines. But we as a society choose to ignore them for the better and they have little violent impact in our daily lives. Islam could be in the same boat as us had the past 200 years not happened.

I'll tell you what though, this story does feel like the start of something that is going to spark something pretty major anyone remember the thread on SomethingAwful that was posted just a minute or two after 9/11, everyone was saying the exact same thing.

[QUOTE=WitheredGryphon;49113040]I agree, and certain beliefs depending on your culture versus theirs will vary and it's okay to dislike that. But to hate a group of people that did nothing wrong other than happen to share a religion that has radical followers who commit acts of terrorism is unacceptable.[/QUOTE] Hating people who've done nothing wrong is stupid, and as person you should judge other people as individuals. I don't think there's anything wrong with disliking an ideology.

[QUOTE=Aldawolf;49113069]Judaism has hateful Doctorines. Christianity has hateful doctorines. But we as a society choose to ignore them for the better.[/QUOTE] Good for us, but once again why are we accepting of belief systems that have hateful doctrines period

[QUOTE=Cypher_09;49113063]yeah I was sort of half serious with that. but coming in here to throw "white privileged!" at us right now[/QUOTE] You're seriously that desperate to deny how racist and islamophobic people are being about this?

France is going to war. [url]https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/665348285620723712[/url]

[QUOTE=Aldawolf;49113069]Judaism has hateful Doctorines. Christianity has hateful doctorines. But we as a society choose to ignore them for the better and they have little violent impact in our daily lives. Islam could be in the same boat as us had the past 200 years not happened.[/QUOTE] And if the roles were reversed I would be happily criticizing Christianity for the exact same reasons I criticize Islam.

[QUOTE=cr2142;49113073]I'll tell you what though, this story does feel like the start of something that is going to spark something pretty major anyone remember the thread on SomethingAwful that was posted just a minute or two after 9/11, everyone was saying the exact same thing.[/QUOTE] To be fair, same thing happened with the Charlie Hebdo shooting and nothing major came of it. NATO has too much to lose from re-engaging in the middle-east, considering that it would be pointless for the most part in Iraq (which at this rate should not be a country but that's a topic for another time), and intervening in Syria is a flat out no-go because of Russia's presence

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;49113061]Does France have anything similar to the Patriot Act?[/QUOTE] Not per sé but surveillance has been rampantly increased lately leading to unrest, and that's before this all happened. It'll get worse in the UK too, that's a fact (Theresa May)

[QUOTE=MerkySalt;49113011]But that's exactly what happened to the Germans after word war 2. [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denazification#Responsibility_and_collective_guilt[/URL] Why else would there have been the need to expel all the Germans living in eastern europe?[/QUOTE] Okay I'm going to stop you there. The expulsion of Germans from Eastern Europe was definitely not tied to them being nazis. It was a blatant hysteric reaction to the end of the war and thousands were caught in it, including ethnic germans or german speaking slavs that have lived in the areas for centuries. On top of that, said expulsion is still a relatively hot topic in border regions today and has only calmed down in the past ten years or so. If I were you, I wouldn't open that can of worms without understanding that that time and area was mired by post war hysteria, massive collectivist drives, resurgent patriotism and a slew of other things.

The worst part is that both doing nothing and retaliating are both gonna just make it worse, thanks extremism

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;49113075]Hating people who've done nothing wrong is stupid, and as person you should judge other people as individuals. I don't think there's anything wrong with disliking an ideology.[/QUOTE] When a section of culture turns radical to the point of harming innocent people, that's when that ideology crosses the line. But that's my opinion. I also believe it's acceptable to dislike, hate, and ignore certain parts of religion and culture (as is commonly seen in Christianity), but to hate an innocent people who follow a moderate religion is an entirely different story.

[QUOTE=asteroidrules;49113078]You're seriously that desperate to deny how racist and islamophobic people are being about this?[/QUOTE] No I'm not denying that. But fuck me to assume we would care about something on the other side of the world more than we care about something that's happening on the equivalent of our shared European soil? It isn't that we don't care, but this is closer to us and obviously our families/friends are in Paris ffs and it isn't far fetched that a lot of people would be feeling particularly full of hatred, weren't you after 9/11? (i'm not comparing anything)

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;49113083]To be fair, same thing happened with the Charlie Hebdo shooting and nothing major came of it. NATO has too much to lose from re-engaging in the middle-east, considering that it would be pointless for the most part in Iraq (which at this rate should not be a country but that's a topic for another time), and intervening in Syria is a flat out no-go because of Russia's presence[/QUOTE] Yeah i know its a bit far fetched but looking at the Hebdo shooting, that was to a degree a targeted attack at a certain group (being the Hebdo magazine), this attack just seemed plain anyone that could be killed at a certain moment; and it kinda shows just looking at the casualty rate right now.

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[QUOTE=Aldawolf;49113069]Judaism has hateful Doctorines. Christianity has hateful doctorines. But we as a society choose to ignore them for the better and they have little violent impact in our daily lives. Islam could be in the same boat as us had the past 200 years not happened.[/QUOTE] Why are we talking about the hypotheticals when we should be talking about the reality of the situation. The fact France has been subject to two major terrorist attacks by religiously-motivated individuals in less than a year is something we simply cannot sweep under the rug anymore, not with the potential for more of these attacks to occur in pretty much every part of Europe now that the migrations are hitting full-swing.

[QUOTE=Duck M.;49113091]The worst part is that both doing nothing and retaliating are both gonna just make it worse, thanks extremism[/QUOTE] Literally everyone in my family said this is what would happen when you open the floodgates and let millions of refugees in, the terrorists get in as well.