BREAKING NEWS: Large Scale Terrorist Attack in France -- Multiple Explosions, Gunfire! Death toll at - Polidicks

[QUOTE=DMGaina;49113445] That's more or less what I tried to say. I said that that the attacks have nothing to do with refugees in general.[/QUOTE] Fair enough.

I awoke to check Facebook, and one of my French friends had marked herself as safe, I thought that it was a prank after the Hebdo events earlier in the year. Jesus christ. :cry:

[QUOTE=DogGunn;49113426]When 65% of the 'refugees' are men... something has gone wrong. Unless of course 2/3 of their population are men.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.factcheck.org/2015/09/stretching-facts-on-syrian-refugees/[/url] [quote]UNHCR’s data show that 50.5 percent of refugees are women. Females age 18 to 59 make up 23.9 percent of the refugees, while males in that age group make up 21.8 percent. Even younger males — age 12 to 17 — represent 6.5 percent of refugees, while females that age are 6.1 percent. The majority of refugees — 51.1 percent — are under age 17, including 38.5 percent who are younger than 12 years old. These numbers were as of Sept. 6. We have seen a different set of UNHCR numbers cited on a few conservative websites — figures for refugees and migrants who have tried to enter Europe by crossing the Mediterranean Sea. There have been more than 400,000 such “sea arrivals” in 2015, and 51 percent are Syrian. The rest have come mainly from nine other countries. Most of these refugees and migrants have been men — 72 percent — but these are not figures on Syrian refugees or even solely the 200,000-some Syrians who have been willing to take some type of boat to reach Europe by sea.[/quote]

[QUOTE=Pvt. Tibbles;49113443]-garbage- Well now. How crude.[/QUOTE] It's a fucking meme troll on the Steam forums seriously what did you expect Report and move on

What are the odds that on the night of this shitstorm, Adult Swim shows the Family Guy episode where Peter injures himself in a skydiving incident (on a fake Eiffel Towel in Vegas of all things) and then meets a muslim that he takes after before having to be stopped by the end of the episode because he doesn't realize they're secretly a radical the entire time? Christ, what a fucked up day. Here's hoping France and the EU and NATO don't go blind with rage in retaliation.

[QUOTE=Pvt. Tibbles;49113443]- Well now. How crude.[/QUOTE] This really isnt relevant at all...

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;49113345][B]Wow[/B][/QUOTE] Can you really blame him? Accepting what, 800,000 refugees in Germany is not sustainable. It overloads the civil services and a lot of people going to Europe are more economically driven, than war driven. Are there refugees that truly need help? Yes. But their numbers are being overshadowed by ungrateful liars. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you are accepted into a country belonging to the EU, does that not greatly improve ease of access into other countries? Even if that weren't the case, if a refugee walked all the way to Croatia to hitch a ride, they sure as hell can walk into other countries inside European Union. Can we guarantee out of 800,000 refugees, maybe even a quarter of them are completely incompatible with Western ideals? France was somewhat responsible with its program. Some 20,000 refugees over an extended period of time. Regardless, they've been hit twice over one year. Besides that, calling someone racist over being dubious of Islam is incorrect. Islam spans dozens of countries in multiple regions. The main criticism of Islam is the ratio of people who hold violent beliefs, which is in high contrast with the now relatively low amount of violent ideals held by Christians, Catholics, etc. Criticizing Islam does not make you an xenophobic, cold blooded zealot. It makes you a concerned individual. It's like human emotions are slowly being devoured. Being disgusted with the current refugee situation is a very human reaction. Shaming people and calling them names does nothing but inflame the beliefs of [I]both[/I] parties bickering at each other. We can see this happening on this very thread. We all may as well face the music: Much like the violent crusades of centuries past, both religions were violent. Christianity has evolved, along with Catholics, Jews, you name it - but Islam remains an outlier. Criticism and concern =/= Racism. Trying to paint the two together is as sensationalist and misleading as what you are trying to discourage.

[QUOTE=Crazy Ivan;49113366]By the metrics this graph presents, there is no comparable nature. Furthermore, it's nearly impossible to determine what the "cause" of the the radical fighter's recruitment is from this graph, let alone from what we presently know. Do you know what efforts are being made to recruit? How deeply embedded the infrastructure of those recruitment are? Are people dissatisfied with their standard of living, or are they being lead to dissatisfaction by demagogues?[/QUOTE]This was my counterpoint though, there really isn't any way to definitely say that people "alienating them, abusing them, and heaping collective guilt on them" (to use your words as an example) isn't the cause and neither is "bending over backwards" for "the Muslims" a good cause either. Really at the end of the day the per capita amount between the countries seems to be skewed toward the smaller countries, the raw amount of persons exported does not matter. If there's a significant cultural factor that makes radical Muslims in Denmark, Sweden, and Belgium (or a collection of factors) pack up and go fight for their stupid theocracy then holy shit we need to get on finding out what that is. France, by comparison, may be pumping out more total but if there isn't some driving force outside of general extremism that's specifically making them do that then does it really matter? (and we don't know that for certain, since this is a per capita measurement over an unknown period of time or just in general, as you said the graph isn't exactly descriptive) What is known for sure though is Tunisia has exported a [I]lot[/I] of fighters, this is significant because Daesh has had a morale problem for some time now and especially among fighters originating from Western countries. Africans and Middle Easterners are simply accustomed to the harsh reality of conflict, it's an unfortunate thing to say but it is a fact given the political nature of those countries in the last century. Tunisians, Jordanians, and the slowly-increasing number of fighters from other countries are definitely a concern, especially if they are the dominant population on Daesh's frontlines. Fortunately Daesh has lost a great many of it's veteran units, some of which come from conflicts as far away as Cechnya and Libya, and they have repeatedly suffered strategic disappointments despite some gains against FSA positions in Syria's south. What is troubling about this tragic attack is the shift from fighters [I]leaving[/I] European countries and committing major attacks in major European cities, do remember that this follows a handful of other related incidents and additionally the theft of weapons, explosives, and grenades from a military base. France can respond by bombing the shit out of the Middle East but there seems to be a lack of preparedness for domestic attacks, which has unfortunately resulted in the deaths of a great many innocent people. [editline]13th November 2015[/editline] Not that I expect the French authorities to take this on the chin by the way. They will definitely be looking inward a hell of a lot more after this much like we did after 9/11, and contrary to the "dohoho lol french military power kek what is that" running joke the French DST (basically their FBI) does [U]not[/U] fuck around.

[QUOTE=Incoming.;49113489]Can you really blame him? Accepting what, 800,000 refugees in Germany is not sustainable. It overloads the civil services and a lot of people going to Europe are more economically driven, than war driven. Are there refugees that truly need help? Yes. But their numbers are being overshadowed by ungrateful liars. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you are accepted into a country belonging to the EU, does that not greatly improve ease of access into other countries? Even if that weren't the case, if a refugee walked all the way to Croatia to hitch a ride, they sure as hell can walk into other countries. Can we guarantee out of 800,000 refugees, maybe even a quarter of them are completely incompatible with Western ideals? France was somewhat responsible with its program. Some 20,000 refugees over an extended period of time. Besides that, calling someone racist over being dubious of Islam is incorrect. Islam spans dozens of countries in multiple regions. The main criticism of Islam is the ratio of people who hold violent beliefs, which is in high contrast with the now relatively low amount of violent ideals held by Christians, Catholics, etc. Criticizing Islam does not make you an xenophobic, cold blooded zealot. It makes you a concerned individuals. It's like human emotions are slowly being devoured. Being disgusted with the current refugee situation is a very human reaction. Shaming people and calling them names does nothing but inflame the beliefs of [I]both[/I] parties bickering at each other. We all may as well face the music: Much like the violent crusades of centuries past, both religions were violent. Christianity has evolved, along with Catholics, Jews, you name it - but Islam remains an outlier. Criticism and concern =/= Racism. Trying to paint the two together is as sensationalist and misleading as what you are trying to discourage.[/QUOTE] It goes without saying that a) we should be providing assistance to refugees, not economic immigrants, b) refugees shouldn't be passing through several secure countries even if their treatment in some of them are shit. Well, so what? How do you differentiate refugees and economical immigrants? Sure, Germany can try deporting all the Balkan asylum seekers. That's several hundred thousands. And then? How many asylum seekers do you think carry full documentation, including actual refugees? How do you pick which country to deport them to? Well, you can't. So you are either going to [B]a) [/B]distribute them, [B]b) [/B]send them back to the first EU country of entry, [B]c)[/B] send them back to the first non-EU country of entry which you can identify. [B]c)[/B] is pure daydreaming, because you can't force a country like Turkey to accept them, and they'll just try to get back into Europe anyway. [B]b)[/B] means you fuck over Italy and Greece, who will be unable to care for millions of asylum seekers on their own, so they will just let them pass through anyway, and you are back to square one. [quote]Besides that, calling someone racist over being dubious of Islam is incorrect. [/quote] There are both good and bad Muslims just like there are both good and bad Christians/Atheists/Buddhists/whatever. Assuming that someone is bad simply because of their religion is discrimination, and it's really not much different than racial discrimination. If you want to criticize Islam, be my guest, but that doesn't make generalizing against muslims OK.

Why do we follow human rights when we deal with these subhuman rats Burn them alive, bomb them , whatever If they don't want to be nice why do we have to tiptoe around all the poor civilams they disguise themselves as

So has anything in Paris changed in the last hour or two?

My family prays for the people of Paris. Let's hope that there isn't another attack, and that the supposed rumors of an attack on other major cities are just rumors. A co-worker has family in Paris, so hoping they're safe too.

[URL="https://vine.co/v/iBb2x00UVlv"]Explosion heard on tape[/URL] It's all too real.

[QUOTE=Ogopogo;49113469][URL]http://www.factcheck.org/2015/09/stretching-facts-on-syrian-refugees/[/URL][/QUOTE] Where the fuck are they getting their data from? UNHCR's own data says 65% are men. With 14% women, and the rest children. [URL]http://data.unhcr.org/mediterranean/regional.php[/URL] I'm talking about those that are reaching Europe. Not those that are registered as refugees.

[QUOTE=QUILTBAG;49113473]It's a fucking meme troll on the Steam forums seriously what did you expect Report and move on[/QUOTE] Did before I even posted it here. :ok:

[QUOTE=Billy-Bobfred;49113536]Why do we follow human rights when we deal with these subhuman rats Burn them alive, bomb them , whatever If they don't want to be nice why do we have to tiptoe around all the poor civilams they disguise themselves as[/QUOTE]Bombing indiscriminately only breeds animosity and adds credence to everything they say, it's as important to actively kill them as it is to undermine their legitimacy and credibility. Removal of the threat can only be achieved through the absolute invalidation of their ideology. There's also the question of environment, something that another poster in this thread addressed. Simply put: if there's no economic and political disenfranchisement of the common individual then they will have no need to turn to extremism. They blame their situation on Western corruption of their religion which has served as a stable pillar of their culture for millennia, if [I]we[/I] didn't exist to spread our godless infidel ways, turning their children into materialistic slaves and their women into cheap whores, then [I]their lives[/I] would be better. Literally destroying everything they have is abso-fucking-lutely the worst course of action. [editline]13th November 2015[/editline] Oh, and do you remember that one picture of that guy protesting that cartoon depicting Mohammad with a bomb on his head? Holding up a sign that says "FREEDOM GO TO HELL" and shouting? Essentially their view is Western democracy and what we view and label as freedom is a clear, active threat to their religion and by extension their culture. It's honestly a concern among the conservative Muslim population in the Middle East that Western civilization may very well cause all Islamic nations to crumble and devolve into chaos.

[QUOTE=DogGunn;49113564]Where the fuck are they getting their data from? UNHCR's own data says 65% are men. With 14% women, and the rest children. [URL]http://data.unhcr.org/mediterranean/regional.php[/URL][/QUOTE] It's right there, in the article: [quote]We have seen a [url=http://data.unhcr.org/mediterranean/regional.php]different set of UNHCR numbers[/url] cited on a few conservative websites — figures for refugees and migrants who have tried to enter Europe by crossing the Mediterranean Sea. There have been more than 400,000 such “sea arrivals” in 2015, and 51 percent are Syrian. The rest have come mainly from nine other countries. Most of these refugees and migrants have been men — 72 percent — but these are not figures on Syrian refugees or even solely the 200,000-some Syrians who have been willing to take some type of boat to reach Europe by sea.[/quote] Exact same url and stuff.

[QUOTE=phaedon;49113534]It goes without saying that a) we should be providing assistance to refugees, not economical immigrants, b) refugees shouldn't be passing through several secure countries even if their treatment in some of them are shit. Well, so what? How do you differentiate refugees and economical immigrants? Sure, Germany can try deporting all the Balkan asylum seekers. That's several hundred thousands. And then? How many asylum seekers do you think carry full documentation, including actual refugees? How do you pick which country to deport them to? Well, you can't. So you are either going to [B]a) [/B]distribute them, [B]b) [/B]send them back to the first EU country of entry, [B]c)[/B] send them back to the first non-EU country of entry which you can identify. [B]c)[/B] is pure daydreaming, because you can't force a country like Turkey to accept them, and they'll just try to get back into Europe anyway. [B]b)[/B] means you fuck over Italy and Greece, who will be unable to care for millions of asylum seekers on their own, so they will just let them pass through anyway, and you are back to square one. There are both good and bad Muslims just like there are both good and bad Christians/Atheists/Buddhists/whatever. Assuming that someone is bad simply because of their religion is discrimination, and it's really not much different than racial discrimination.[/QUOTE] I'm not sure what your point is. I never said there weren't good and bad, in fact, I allured to the opposite. I never said assuming someone is bad because of their religion was acceptable, but criticizing Islam itself is well worth the cause. There is an option you never mentioned, even though it seems fairly straightforward: Limit the amounts of refugees allowed to enter the border to a rate in which not only can services maintain their quality of care, but also at a pace that allows at least a rudimentary form of background check. Even if background checks are deemed ineffective, this does not remove from the basic principle of government and its general purpose: A stable and safe environment. This means you can't shove hundreds of people into villages the size of a single street. How would I pick the country they go back to? Send them to whatever country wants them. If no country wants them, then send them back to Egypt. Granted, there are probably other solutions I can't conjure up, I still hold fast that destabilizing your own country is no way to do it. Two wrongs don't make a right. There's better solutions than swamping villages and cities with numbers they can't handle.

[QUOTE=DogGunn;49113564]Where the fuck are they getting their data from? UNHCR's own data says 65% are men. With 14% women, and the rest children. [URL]http://data.unhcr.org/mediterranean/regional.php[/URL] I'm talking about those that are reaching Europe. Not those that are registered as refugees.[/QUOTE] Since you apparently didn't even click the link I'll just link the one they used [URL]http://data.unhcr.org/syrianrefugees/regional.php[/URL] The one you mention is also linked too. Hell the quote from the post your quoting directly mentions it

[QUOTE=phaedon;49113585]It's right there, in the article: Exact same url and stuff.[/QUOTE] I read the article. And it doesn't address the point. These are the people that, at the moment, are being offered housing, food and other shelter. Until they're sorted out, those that are registered with the UNHCR are not going to be offered refuge. The people that are causing the current crisis in Europe are 65% men. [editline]14th November 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=YouWithTheFace.;49113595]Since you apparently didn't even click the link I'll just link the one they used [URL]http://data.unhcr.org/syrianrefugees/regional.php[/URL] The one you mention is also linked too. Hell the quote from the post your quoting directly mentions it[/QUOTE] Since you didn't read the post they were responding to, let me that your post is irrelevant. It was my mistake for assuming that the person who posted the link originally actually had relevant context to my post and had therefore posted a relevant section of that page. They hadn't.

[url]https://youtu.be/xKzKeVUrHqc?t=46[/url] Did Paris not take the warnings? Time for America to roll in.

[QUOTE=asteroidrules;49113293]I'd like to apologize for miswording things that badly and try to make my initial point a bit clearer: As of yet it seems quite a lot more people are trying to blame Islam and Muslims in general for the attacks. It does seem likely that an Islamist group was responsible. The problem that has arisen is quite a lot of the people rushing to blame are using it as an excuse to make it out like Islam is some sort of global conspiracy against Europeans. To do this however they have to ignore almost a third of the people killed today because almost a third of the targets were Muslims in Middle Eastern nations. My intent was not to belittle the people killed in France, rather to point out that people are clearly belittling the people killed elsewhere because they're not as politically useful as the ones killed in France. Also as of yet the majority of outrage and conspiracy theories being built around this seem to be coming from non-French users, Mr. American.[/QUOTE] You know, I'd actually consider believing you if you didn't continuously try to pull the moral high ground card everywhere.

You guys act like the refugees are at fault here when these terrorists are the reason why refugees are moving to Europe.

[QUOTE=Banhfunbags;49113615]You guys act like the refugees are at fault here when these terrorists are the reason why refugees are moving to Europe.[/QUOTE] Would you rather people act like Islam is at fault?

You asked where they were getting the data from and I linked it. How is it irrelevant? I wasn't responding to the other post. I was responding to the one where it asked where it got the info. Which was the one you posted...

[QUOTE=asteroidrules;49113137]Attacking innocent civilians is a horrible thing to do. I just find it noteworthy and sad that so many people are willing to overlook a large portion of the victims of today's attacks because they want to push their xenophobic agenda.[/QUOTE] please shut the fuck up you insensitive bastard "oh ur only caring becuz there white dont be rrrracist"

[QUOTE=YouWithTheFace.;49113622]You asked where they were getting the data from and I linked it. How is it irrelevant? I wasn't responding to the other post. I was responding to the one where it asked where it got the info. Which was the one you posted...[/QUOTE] Yeah I added some more context to the post. Fair enough though. I understand your point.

[QUOTE=asteroidrules;49113293]I'd like to apologize for miswording things that badly and try to make my initial point a bit clearer: As of yet it seems quite a lot more people are trying to blame Islam and Muslims in general for the attacks. It does seem likely that an Islamist group was responsible. The problem that has arisen is quite a lot of the people rushing to blame are using it as an excuse to make it out like Islam is some sort of global conspiracy against Europeans. To do this however they have to ignore almost a third of the people killed today because almost a third of the targets were Muslims in Middle Eastern nations. My intent was not to belittle the people killed in France, rather to point out that people are clearly belittling the people killed elsewhere because they're not as politically useful as the ones killed in France. Also as of yet the majority of outrage and conspiracy theories being built around this seem to be coming from non-French users, Mr. American.[/QUOTE] "miswording" thats your excuse every fucking time every goddam time why are you not permabanned for being a shitstirrer?

how much do you wanna bet that asteroidrules wouldnt have even said anything like that if iraq and lebanon were covered and not france

[QUOTE=DogGunn;49113619]Would you rather people act like Islam is at fault?[/QUOTE] How about neither?