BREAKING NEWS: Large Scale Terrorist Attack in France -- Multiple Explosions, Gunfire! Death toll at - Polidicks

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[QUOTE=trjr1123;49114014]Hopefully MaxOfS2D was part of the casualties.[/QUOTE] no however much of a ass people think he is, he doesn't deserve death for it.

[QUOTE=trjr1123;49114014]Hopefully MaxOfS2D was part of the casualties.[/QUOTE] what is wrong with you

[QUOTE=trjr1123;49114014]Hopefully MaxOfS2D was part of the casualties.[/QUOTE] Wtf dude? Yeah, Max tended to be a bad poster, but that's no reason to wish he would die in a horrific attack.

[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;49113933]ISIS 'claims responsibility' for Paris attacks after hundreds killed across French city [url]http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/619363/Islamic-State-ISIS-Twitter-Paris-attacks[/url] Well, shit. This won't end well...[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Some fans even boasted London, Rome and Washington DC would hit by the next horror attacks.[/QUOTE] hmm.. i'm flying to london heathrow and plan on taking the london underground for a few hours in less than a week, this threat concerns me... probably just empty fear mongering but somewhat unsettling

[QUOTE=trjr1123;49114014]Hopefully MaxOfS2D was part of the casualties.[/QUOTE] what kinda pussy logs into an alt just for this lmao

[QUOTE=DaMastez;49113879]And feeding and housing however many refugees doesn't cost a shit-ton of money, while also creating various issues caused by clashes of cultures and negatively impacting citizens of nations who are displaced to house refugees? The actual refugees (as in, not the extremists who are trying to sneak in, which I suspect are a small minority anyway) have done nothing to deserve the situation they are in, and the more well off countries should attempt to help them. However, those countries should not do so at the detriment to themselves and their people, as is happening now.[/QUOTE] These bits: [QUOTE=DaMastez;49113879]And feeding and housing however many refugees doesn't cost a shit-ton of money[/quote] [quote]However, those countries should not do so at the detriment to themselves and their people, as is happening now.[/quote] and this: [quote]the more well off countries should attempt to help them[/quote] are pretty far apart. If you regard feeding and housing refugees as money wasters (or at least view the cost negatively), then they are by definition detriments to both the state and the average Joe, as they consume resources from the country's budget. So under which conditions should well off countries help them? Altruism implies some level of personal detriment. Furthermore, at the very least feeding and housing refugees at least has some tangible effect. Coast guard patrols' only function thus far has been rescuing sinking ships or acting as a ferry. It makes absolutely no sense to expand into a huge border control operation if the principle is already flawed. If they are within EU's borders, the deed is done, you can't push them back into Turkey. Ships can't act as the sea-equivalent of a razorwire fence. [quote]while also creating various issues caused by clashes of cultures[/quote] They are going to enter Europe anyway, so the point is moot. At the very least, a redistribution would ensure that the whole burden wouldn't fall on a couple of countries, and thus limit the culture clash effect. [quote] and negatively impacting citizens of nations who are displaced to house refugees?[/quote] I am not sure what you are referring to here. There's the possibility of displacing the bulk of Balkan asylum seekers from Germany because, well you know, they presumably have documentation and there isn't an active war in the Balkans.

[QUOTE=phaedon;49113998]And if you check my original post, I don't contest that. I am arguing that you can't seriously enforce any set of criteria without their co-operation. And considering that the non-refugees are economic immigrants, they have no reason not to tear up their documentation.[/QUOTE] I'm not entirely in agreeal with as much of a defeatist attitude as simply giving up on patrolling the Greek waters. I'm certain that if easier routes, not unlike the one mentioned are properly patrolled something can be done. The link you cited before is actually a double edged sword. There's plenty of countries [particularly in the east] that are reluctantly accepting the agreement at best. This also reminds me of cases where refugees refused to leave buses, trains, etc because of how they wanted to be in richer or warmer places. If a lot of these asylum seekers behave this way, this is a serious slap in the face for redistribution. My question is, what does the ICJ really have as ammunition should those penalties not be paid? From the current stands of this situation, the "refugees" have everything to gain and [exempting their lives] very little to lose. Germany and Sweden are beginning to prove themselves foolhardy in their handling of the large numbers they have accepted. Regardless of what the EU plans as distribution, theres plenty of examples where villages have increased in population over seven times with [URL="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/sumte-german-village-with-100-residents-and-zero-infrastructure-told-to-take-in-750-refugees-a6717591.html"]nothing but refugees[/URL]. I see the entire thing being a large lose/lose. If the EU refuses more migrants, they come across as cold, even cruel and racist. Undoubtedly there are people that truly need help. On the other, controlling the flow is proving disastrously hard to achieve. [QUOTE]They are going to enter Europe anyway, so the point is moot. At the very least, a redistribution would ensure that the whole burden wouldn't fall on a couple of countries, and thus limit the culture clash effect.[/QUOTE] See: [URL="http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/616883/Europe-migrant-crisis-Britain-Germany-Angela-Merkel"]villages still being swamped as of Nov 5[/URL] Explain why a redistribution program set in September is resulting vastly undistributed clumps in November.

5th Crusade when?

[QUOTE=LoganIsAwesome;49113651]The true colors of some of you have shown, and it's quite disturbing.[/QUOTE] Cause anger over a legit massacre and the feelings it stirs up are equivalent to a person's actual opinions. All you people saying shit like this should really stop acting so fucking high. Angry people are not rational beings, shit like this is going to happen. Does this make it right? Nope, but its not their fault that terrorists portray an entire group as something its not. And you can try and say that the action of a few can't represent the majority. But when these guys are doing this shit consistently, and with horrifying results. While claiming allegiance to their religion, its easy to see how people associate them with the others.

I'm interested in the planned retaliation. There's a lot of tension all over the place right now, and I wouldn't be surprised if this was enough to usher in a new era of wars, or maybe even a world war. Unlikely, but it's possible in today's climate

[QUOTE=Zero-Point;49113935]What makes me really sick, is that mixed in with the expected "mourn/pray for France" posts in my Facebook feed, there's a disgusting amount of posts mixed in that are along the line of "Paris suffered an awful terrorist attack... THANKS, OBAMA".[/QUOTE] To be frank, political association with the United States does put you at greater risk of being targeted, mind you the sanctioned cost of not supporting them can be equally as damaging.

[QUOTE=Zero-Point;49113935]What makes me really sick, is that mixed in with the expected "mourn/pray for France" posts in my Facebook feed, there's a disgusting amount of posts mixed in that are along the line of "Paris suffered an awful terrorist attack... THANKS, OBAMA".[/QUOTE] When it's not them being affected, or if they just dont give a shit, it's easy for them to post such garbage online. That, and trying for cheap shock "humor." This attack reminded me eerily of 26/11 in India, which happened on the same principles, and caused a large amount of casualties in its own right. They only caught one of them alive, and that through the sacrifice of the officer who was able to capture him despite being badly wounded. As has been mentioned before often enough, you really can't kill an idea, the more of these people you kill the more will just spring up to replace them, dealing with the causes of radicalization is the only thing that's going to ever work in the long run.

[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;49113933]ISIS 'claims responsibility' for Paris attacks after hundreds killed across French city [url]http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/619363/Islamic-State-ISIS-Twitter-Paris-attacks[/url] Well, shit. This won't end well...[/QUOTE] I wonder if the attacks are related to the fact that jihadi jhon was killed two days ago? They probably started planning this since they blew that Russian plane out of the sky a week ago though.

[QUOTE=Incoming.;49114080]I'm not entirely in agreeal with as much of a defeatist attitude as simply giving up on patrolling the Greek waters. I'm certain that if easier routes, not unlike the one mentioned are properly patrolled something can be done.[/quote] What do you envision the border patrol doing? How do they physically stop them from crossing a maritime border? [quote]The link you cited before is actually a double edged sword. There's plenty of countries [particularly in the east] that are reluctantly accepting the agreement at best. [/quote] True. [quote]This also reminds me of cases where refugees refused to leave buses, trains, etc because of how they wanted to be in richer or warmer places. If a lot of these asylum seekers behave this way, this is a serious slap in the face for redistribution.[/quote] Yes, some eastern states have suggested that they will all leave for Germany anyway. (which begs the question, if they truly believe this, then why are they against the redistribution?) The problem with that argument is that you could tie benefits or job offers within a certain region or munincipality. Obviously they are going to miss the benefits if they are not there to receive them. And if some european employer illegally hires them in a different country, well then it's simply the responsibility of that state to find and punish the employer. It's no different than a company hiring people without a visa and paying them below the minimum wage. [quote]My question is, what does the ICJ really have as ammunition should those penalties not be paid? From the current stands of this situation, the "refugees" have everything to gain and [exempting their lives] very little to lose.[/quote] I guess this might be it: [quote]"Compulsory" jurisdiction is limited to cases where both parties have agreed to submit to its decision, and, as such, instances of aggression tend to be automatically escalated to and adjudicated by the Security Council[/quote] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Court_of_Justice[/url] I imagine that if there was a loophole this wouldn't be a problem. [quote]Germany and Sweden are beginning to prove themselves foolhardy in their handling of the large numbers they have accepted. Regardless of what the EU plans as distribution, theres plenty of examples where villages have increased in population over seven times with [URL="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/sumte-german-village-with-100-residents-and-zero-infrastructure-told-to-take-in-750-refugees-a6717591.html"]nothing but refugees[/URL]. I see the entire thing being a large lose/lose. If the EU refuses more migrants, they come across as cold, even cruel and racist. Undoubtedly there are people that truly need help. On the other, controlling the flow is proving disastrously hard to achieve.[/QUOTE] I don't think that it's just an image issue. The Eurozone is only seeing marginal growth and if Greece or Italy were seriously destabilized or turned belligerent towards the other states that would rock the boat quite a bit.

[QUOTE=iAmaNewb;49114086]5th Crusade when?[/QUOTE] ugh

[QUOTE=Derp123213;49114022]Quality post.[/QUOTE] Shit my finger slipped above I accidentally clicked the star.

I am absolutely speechless and utterly shocked. A deep feeling of dread and sadness overcame me. My girlfriend is hysterical and scared, despite both of us not living in France. Nevertheless this could happen anywhere in Europe. This made me realize that we should not be scared and pushed back by a corrupt ideology of a minor radical group. The name should be purged from the mind and spirits of the people, only attention and irrational responses will grant such a fanatic group more influence and power. Don't be scared, even if it's a major internal struggle. My thoughts go to all the victims and people that are currently involved solving this chaos. I'm lying awake the entire night struck by this tragedy, I just feel terrible. I'm not exactly the type of person who uses such big words or speech but I encourage everyone to stay vigilant. Such an act of aggression in the heart of Europe is a major blow. Yet don't let the actions of a few men discourage everybody and fill them with fear and despair. Next week I will go to concert in a major city and I can't help but feel somewhat uneasy due such acts of terrorism but this is the exact goal of such fanatics, we as a community need to deny them this success.

[QUOTE=iAmaNewb;49114086]5th Crusade when?[/QUOTE] never, stop suggesting genocide

[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;49112615]Well its a sure better start than letting them get away with their twisted shit. Inaction is not acceptable.[/QUOTE] Let the middle east solve their own problems it's not up to the rest of the world to solve everyone else problems look how Vietnam Iraq and Afghanistan turned out. As long as they don't posses wmd there's nothing that can really be done in the long run.

The worst part about the kill all muslims posts is that some of them are serious

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;49114155]never, stop suggesting genocide[/QUOTE] Exactly don't go there in the first place it just makes other countries unsafe because then the terrorists try to get over to the other countries and do more attacks. [editline]14th November 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Duck M.;49114162]The worst part about the kill all muslims posts is that some of them are serious[/QUOTE] Most them are just angry because a bunch of innocent people were killed. It's a perfectly normal reaction.

[QUOTE=phaedon;49114141]What do you envision the border patrol doing? How do they physically stop them from crossing a maritime border?[/QUOTE] Frankly, the only way you can is to threaten to sink the boat. That's one of the biggest cans of worms you can open. My argument is, if the EU collectively says "We can't continue allowing unregulated flow of asylum seekers." and sets up controlled transports, then said boat should not be in the water to begin with. But this will never happen. Overall, when you view the situation as a whole, it seems quite hopeless. With numerous watchdog groups jumping down peoples throats at the mere suggestion of turning back refugees, the political polarization is causing stagnation. I'm not saying there shouldn't be any watchdog groups, human rights, etc, but I do find the ideals of said organizations can often become outlandish. Theres plenty of examples of politicians making brash claims. A former German Communist party member came right out and said "Nazi's are bad at breeding" thus justifying the refugee influx. It's mind boggling when you think about it, there seems to be little ground. I'd like nothing more than to see all refugees that need help receive it. But there are no means of effective regulation.

I don't know of any rational way to fix the middle east other than letting them kill each other off until one group finally becomes rational and realizes how pointless the killing is.

fucking savage fucking pieces of shit

[QUOTE=Duck M.;49114162]The worst part about the kill all muslims posts is that some of them are serious[/QUOTE] There's nothing to worry about, the majority of them are all bark but no bite.

[QUOTE=CoolKingKaso;49114282]There's nothing to worry about, the majority of them are all bark but no bite.[/QUOTE] Do you really have to post this? no shit dumbass [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Flaming" - Craptasket))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Satane;49114229]Should have let the russians install communism 30 years ago. Things would have been different.[/QUOTE] Well, on the one hand, yeah, they'd probably be more stable. On the other, we're talking about the US allowing the establishment of regional communism. That's like asking a cat to allow a mouse to escape.

[QUOTE=formatme;49114284]Do you really have to post this? no shit dumbass[/QUOTE] Is it really necessary to get this riled up over a completely benign post? Fuck you idiot. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Flaming" - Craptasket))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Incoming.;49114175]My argument is, if the EU collectively says "We can't continue allowing unregulated flow of asylum seekers." and sets up controlled transports, then said boat should not be in the water to begin with.[/quote] I am not sure if this is what you have in mind, but the plan is for registration "hot spots" to be set up in Greece and Italy, which would probably be the first part of controlling the transport within the EU. As for the boat not entering the water in the first place, that requires an agreement with Turkey, and although it may happen, it will probably require serious concessions from the EU. [QUOTE]With numerous watchdog groups jumping down peoples throats at the mere suggestion of turning back refugees, the political polarization is causing stagnation. [/QUOTE] Even if we didn't have treaties we are bound to (and some of us have benefited from them in the past), Turning back refugees wouldn't happen in a vacuum. You would burden someone else, and that other state would probably not respond very kindly.