BREAKING NEWS: Large Scale Terrorist Attack in France -- Multiple Explosions, Gunfire! Death toll at - Polidicks

[QUOTE=CoixNiro;49114294]Is it really necessary to get this riled up over a completely benign post? Fuck you idiot.[/QUOTE] I'd snip off those last 3 words, if I were you. Just to be safe.

[QUOTE=coldroll5;49114167]It's a perfectly normal reaction.[/QUOTE] its not

There are no words to describe this scumbag, coward behaviour. My condolences to the family and friends of those that fell victim to those brutal attacks. I sincerely hope that a solution will be found that does not breed more hate and violence.

The same shit happened in Lebanon 2 days ago... AND NOBODY GAVE A SHIT!!!?

[QUOTE=Zakuvo99;49114440]The same shit happened in Lebanon 2 days ago... AND NOBODY GAVE A SHIT!!!?[/QUOTE] Plenty of people give a shit but obviously a western country with a larger social media presence is gonna get more coverage, use your brain man

[QUOTE=Duck M.;49114395]its not[/QUOTE] The U.S. did a fuck lot more than make angry comments when we were attacked by terrorists, and we weren't actively taking hundreds of thousands of them in at the time. This attack is ESPECIALLY disgusting considering how much the EU is currently sacrificing to try and take in so many immigrants/refugees. If this is the result of trying to be a good Samaritan I don't expect Europeans to be so loose about the letting in hundreds of thousands of people, any of whom could be planning to replicate similar attacks.

[QUOTE=Coolboy;49114419]There are no words to describe this scumbag, coward behaviour. My condolences to the family and friends of those that fell victim to those brutal attacks. I sincerely hope that a solution will be found that does not breed more hate and violence.[/QUOTE] the only solution is to strike at the circumstances that permit terrorist groups to recruit more members to their "causes." Many of those enrolled often do it for a square meal, to support their families, and as a way of fighting back against a world they feel has disenfranchised them. Not everybody's in it for the ideology as such, but they're willing to believe what they must to support themselves, particularly if they have nothing but a bellyful of anger and want a means of taking it out on somebody else. The ideological fanatics simply channel this to their own purposes. Setting up a stable economy that's not based off of oil, and actual democracies, instead of religious dictatorships, in the countries which form the main pool for recruitment, will go a long way if nothing else to put a check on the number of folks who sign up because of starvation and/or disenchantment/disenfranchisement. Educating people to think for themselves and to shun radicalism and radical movements, instead of believing blindly in their religion and what their religious authorities tell them. Make them understand that an eye for an eye, especially for perceived slights, only makes both parties blind. Teach them that their womenfolk are to be treated equally and with respect, and not as objects to be controlled. It's time that people started doing the right things to deal with this, instead of taking the easy way out by starting more and more wars. Quite simply put it's impossible to stop all attacks in a guerilla situation short of completely extirpating the group and its support base, which is impossible. And there are so many other things that could be done that doesn't involve more wars and violence, yet how far can those who've been directly affected by these tragedies turn the other cheek without wanting to take revenge on those who've hurt them?

My dad just told me about all of this. Fucking hell will they ever leave us alone?

[QUOTE=DatHarry;49114074]hmm.. i'm flying to london heathrow and plan on taking the london underground for a few hours in less than a week, this threat concerns me... probably just empty fear mongering but somewhat unsettling[/QUOTE] God damnit harry dont you die on me. Be careful.

[QUOTE=phaedon;49114079]are pretty far apart. If you regard feeding and housing refugees as money wasters (or at least view the cost negatively), then they are by definition detriments to both the state and the average Joe, as they consume resources from the country's budget. So under which conditions should well off countries help them? Altruism implies some level of personal detriment. [/quote] From a monetary cost perceptive, strictly interpreted, yes. I would say most countries could redirect some amount of spending to helping refugees without having a noticeable negative impact on any one person or the country as a whole. More generally though, that is my point; countries should put their own people first. [quote]Furthermore, at the very least feeding and housing refugees at least has some tangible effect. Coast guard patrols' only function thus far has been rescuing sinking ships or acting as a ferry. It makes absolutely no sense to expand into a huge border control operation if the principle is already flawed. If they are within EU's borders, the deed is done, you can't push them back into Turkey. Ships can't act as the sea-equivalent of a razorwire fence. They are going to enter Europe anyway, so the point is moot. At the very least, a redistribution would ensure that the whole burden wouldn't fall on a couple of countries, and thus limit the culture clash effect.[/quote] I agree, the principle is flawed and the refugees will make it in regardless, but not because it's infeasible to stop the vast majority, but because the EU isn't willing to do so. [quote]I am not sure what you are referring to here. There's the possibility of displacing the bulk of Balkan asylum seekers from Germany because, well you know, they presumably have documentation and there isn't an active war in the Balkans.[/QUOTE] That was in reference to an article I recalled seeing about people being evicted from their housing as the government was offering better pay to house refugees. Not that that was necessarily the intent of the government, but none the less.

I'm surprised there are so many people here who actually believe that the solution to stop planned mass killings of innocent people - is to plan mass killings of innocent people. If you started killing thousands of innocent people unrelated to the minority of the extremists, this would cause more to join the extremists, especially if your intent is genocide. Why do you want war so badly? I hope my family is okay, I haven't heard from them.

[QUOTE=Incoming.;49114175]Frankly, the only way you can is to threaten to sink the boat. That's one of the biggest cans of worms you can open. [/QUOTE] I don't think it's all that complicated. Board the boat, get all of the people off the boat, sink the boat, sail over to wherever the boat came from and drop them off. The biggest problem might be figuring out where the boat came from. [QUOTE=phaedon;49114322]Turning back refugees wouldn't happen in a vacuum. You would burden someone else, and that other state would probably not respond very kindly.[/QUOTE] That other state--every state really--has the same option to refuse to let the refugees in in the first place. [editline]14th November 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=CaptainHijacks;49114500]I'm surprised there are so many people here who actually believe that the solution to stop planned mass killings of innocent people - is to plan mass killings of innocent people. If you started killing thousands of innocent people unrelated to the minority of the extremists, this would cause more to join the extremists, especially if your intent is genocide. Why do you want war so badly? [/QUOTE] I think, or like to think I guess, they are just angry--which is understandable.

Is it true they started lining people up one by one in the concert hall in mass execution?

[QUOTE=Vasili;49114515]Is it true they started lining people up one by one in the concert hall in mass execution?[/QUOTE] and they chucked a grenade at the hostages they'd shot when the police broke in to ensure no survivors.

Sorry for this but I couldn't find this info on the OP nor read the whole comments. Are the attackers related to ISIS in any way? And fuck.. I've got a ticket for an upcoming metal concert over here and I think I'm not going just in case.

[QUOTE=AhoyMate;49114535]Sorry for this but I couldn't find this info on the OP nor read the whole comments. Are the attackers related to ISIS in any way? And fuck.. I've got a ticket for an upcoming metal concert over here and I think I'm not going just in case.[/QUOTE] They strongly suspect IS at the moment, and they say its also possible that the perpetrators could be locals. Nothing has been confirmed yet.

Is there actual confirmation this is refugee related attack? Doesn't seem to be anything to point to that conclusion yet.

[QUOTE=Vasili;49114570]Is there actual confirmation this is refugee related attack? Doesn't seem to be anything to point to that conclusion yet.[/QUOTE] there's nothing to relate this to anything to do with the refugees.

How does this happen? How did we get here. Are we no longer safe?

[QUOTE=CaptainHijacks;49114500]I'm surprised there are so many people here who actually believe that the solution to stop planned mass killings of innocent people - is to plan mass killings of innocent people. If you started killing thousands of innocent people unrelated to the minority of the extremists, this would cause more to join the extremists, especially if your intent is genocide. Why do you want war so badly? I hope my family is okay, I haven't heard from them.[/QUOTE] I'm suprised there are so many people who still actually argue this old shit discussion that is clearly misplaced here and more suited for a private discussion or another thread. I'd rather prefer to talk about the actual events instead of that neverending same discussion about islam that shits up every thread. That said I agree with you though.

I wouldn't be surprised if this ends in even more widespread Islamophobia and attacks against mosques and refugee communities. Then again maybe that's what ISIS wants, so much hatred for what people perceive as the cause that the result is more recruits coming out of Europe.

[QUOTE=Passing;49114582]How does this happen? How did we get here. Are we no longer safe?[/QUOTE] We are still very safe, these attacks happen very rarely and whilst the loss of life is very tragic, in the larger picture it doesn't really matter(for your safety that is). Not saying that this isn't tragic and that whatever group that did this doesn't deserve to get wiped off the face of the earth. If you fear your life, that is giving what they want. That is the entire point of an attack like this to spread fear into people. And you live in Australia where such attacks are even rarer.

[QUOTE=CaptainHijacks;49114500]I'm surprised there are so many people here who actually believe that the solution to stop planned mass killings of innocent people - is to plan mass killings of innocent people. If you started killing thousands of innocent people unrelated to the minority of the extremists, this would cause more to join the extremists, especially if your intent is genocide. Why do you want war so badly? I hope my family is okay, I haven't heard from them.[/QUOTE] Just got news, everyone in my family were out of harms way. I'm relieved but I don't feel much better about this entire thing.

[QUOTE=Passing;49114582]How does this happen? How did we get here. Are we no longer safe?[/QUOTE] While I don't want to downplay this absolutely horrific tragedy, I'd like to remind you that you are safe. These terrorist attacks get a lot of press for how dramatic they are, but the likelihood of actually dying in one is minimal. 3250 people died in traffic accidents in France [in 2013, latest available statistic] Obviously we should mourn the dead, and actions should be taken to prevent further attacks. Furthermore we should ask ourselves what conditions can lead people to become as depraved as the attackers. But we must not forget the relative scale of the tragedy when we write legislation or when we decide to go to war.

Reminder that terrorists aren't always Muslims, however if that appears to be the case, then it wouldn't surprise me.

[QUOTE=mac338;49114669]While I don't want to downplay this absolutely horrific tragedy, I'd like to remind you that you are safe. These terrorist attacks get a lot of press for how dramatic they are, but the likelihood of actually dying in one is minimal. 3250 people died in traffic accidents in France [in 2013, latest available statistic.[/QUOTE] I do agree with you but this is probably the first time that a lot of europeans don't feel safe and made them aware on how far reaching this eastern conflict is. Of course I'm not counting criminal rates or financial fears. But in my 23 years in Europe I never felt this uncomfortable, feeling like a target.

Why is France getting so many terrorist attacks as of late? They really haven't even done much in the middle-east to justify any of this. Any more of these and it can really fuck up entire europe, this really is the opposite what we need now. Right-wing is on the rise as it is and these attacks just escalate it all. Goddamn can't this just stop already.

Dunno if this is new, but reports are IS has a video claiming the attacks. from BBC live update ticker ([URL]http://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-34815972[/URL]) [QUOTE]Islamic State claim Posted at 10:01 There are reports on Twitter that the media arm of the Islamic State group - the Al-Hayat Media Centre - has claimed responsibility for the attack. The BBC Monitoring team has looked into the reports: Western journalists on Twitter in the past hour have reported that IS published a claim through the Al-Hayat Media Center. Initial research suggests these reports possibly are based on IS supporters reposting a November 2014 French-language Al-Hayat Media Center video and tagging it with hashtags associated with the Paris attack. We have not yet seen a claim of responsibility. [/QUOTE]

Video show people fleeing the theater from the back doors. [B]Graphic[/B] [video=dailymotion;x3dqzx9]http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3dqzx9_images-de-la-fusillade-au-bataclan_news[/video] EDIT: [QUOTE=BBC] Francois Hollande has said the Islamic State is behind the attack in Paris, which he called an "act of war". Mr Hollande said the attacks had been planned and organised from abroad with help from inside France. He also declared three days of national mourning.[/QUOTE]

It depresses me how much hatred and senseless violence some people are capable of showing.