BREAKING NEWS: Large Scale Terrorist Attack in France -- Multiple Explosions, Gunfire! Death toll at - Polidicks

[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34820016[/url] "Paris attacks were "act of war" organised by Islamic State, says France's President Hollande"

[QUOTE=Inferno564;49114714][url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34820016[/url] "Paris attacks were "act of war" organised by Islamic State, says France's President Hollande"[/QUOTE] The French 9/11 We're goin to war, boyz

Move over Russia, we want in.

I'm really curious to see how european nations will react with their border policies after these events. Due to the immigrant crisis a lot of nations were pondering about closing borders which would be in conflict with the Chengen treaty, increasing more tension between the nations and furthering a more isolationist approach to the crisis. The luxemburgish foreign minister warned that Europe might fall apart if nations keep a isolationist attitude towards their border policy. Afterall Europe is supposed to be a united and solidary union. [editline]14th November 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Inferno564;49114714][url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34820016[/url] "Paris attacks were "act of war" organised by Islamic State, says France's President Hollande"[/QUOTE] I'm still having my doubts how a successful war with a terror organisation that uses guerilla warfare and martyrdom, would look like.

I'm usually not that much of a religious guy or someone who cares about all the death they hear about in the news, as insensitive as that seems, but I truly pray for all the French people that unfortunately died today and my thoughts go out to their friends and family.

And even though this is sadly a common type of attack that, as some terrorism experts have already explained, was [I]bound[/I] to happen in France eventually, the media and the government will still decide to act like this was somehow unique to our nation and that no other place was ever victim of such violence in the history of the world before. This is exactly what happened with the Charlie Hebdo attacks. Before that happened, France's awareness of ISIS was near null (bar the occasional mention in the news) and the moment a couple of murderers appeared on French ground they started to act like ISIS had been designed from the ground up to hurt the values of the nation - so of course, after an observation that incredibly ignorant and selfish, they followed up with the also incredibly ignorant and selfish decision to crack down severely on any form of expression condoning, or at least not condemning, the actions of the Charlie Hebdo shootings. Behind the constant political masturbation regarding the amazing values of France and how republican and democratic we are, the nation constantly shits on its own denizens and basically shoves these people in a corner, which generates more of these incidents. So now we're going to have another wave of inquisition where the police arrests a ton of people for voicing their opinions however dumb or needlessly provocative.

[QUOTE=_FR_Starfox64;49114711]Video show people fleeing the theater from the back doors. [B]Graphic[/B] [video=dailymotion;x3dqzx9]http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3dqzx9_images-de-la-fusillade-au-bataclan_news[/video] EDIT:[/QUOTE] Wish I didn't watch that. The poor man at the exit pulling out his phone near the end of the video probably to say goodbyes. I really hope he was helped out of there later.

[QUOTE=_FR_Starfox64;49114711]Video show people fleeing the theater from the back doors. [B]Graphic[/B] [video=dailymotion;x3dqzx9]http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3dqzx9_images-de-la-fusillade-au-bataclan_news[/video] EDIT:[/QUOTE] I've just seen that footage on TV less than half an hour ago and fuck.. I wish I hadn't seen it. As for the French FP'ers, my condolences.

It's hard to imagine how suffering and unfair must be for the victims, I usually ignore all this and tend to come with the 'It's how the world goes' but it's just too much to have this attitude. Watching the footage tears me up and I do feel terrible. I pray for France and all the people that are suffering.

Stories like this always makes me think, what if one of my of the victims were someone I knew. My heart goes out to all the families that lost a close relative, all the mothers and fathers who will never see their little kid anymore or the kid who lost a mother or father. Why do some people fall to such violent paths?

[QUOTE=junker154;49114737] I'm still having my doubts how a successful war with a terror organisation that uses guerilla warfare and martyrdom, would look like.[/QUOTE] it would look like an ungodly amount of collateral damage. every time something like this happens, my mind wanders closer and closer to the idea that one day world leaders are going to be left with no choice but to fucking level the middle east. we're faced with an enemy that is literally holding our own morality hostage.

I just woke up, it was hard to sleep tonight. 120 deads. 200 injured (80 of them in a critical critical condition). Stay strong my friends, show no fear, we'll get our revenge. Edit : just watched the video Fuck these fuckers We're going to war

[QUOTE=junker154;49114737] I'm still having my doubts how a successful war with a terror organisation that uses guerilla warfare and martyrdom, would look like.[/QUOTE] Expect a lot more drones and fighter jets flying over the middle east. It's super expensive, but you can't IED a plane in the sky.

I really hope this doesn't become another 9/11 where people won't get over it years and years later, perpetuating this habitat of endless terror coverage and revenge circlejerking. The social damage 9/11 did to us was the shit-icing on the shit-cake. Obviously a crisis like this should be covered, but I feel like the best way to spite the perpetrators in a situation like this is to keep calm. Remember those lost, deliver justice to the perpetrators, but don't panic and make a giant deal about it, because that's [I]exactly[/I] what they want.

lets hope france doesn't do the weak-to-strong deterrence thing they got going :v:

my thoughts are that we defeat terrorism by refusing to be terrified.

[QUOTE=bhomer2;49114962]my thoughts are that we defeat terrorism by refusing to be terrified.[/QUOTE] Doesn't work that way...

[QUOTE=bhomer2;49114962]my thoughts are that we defeat terrorism by refusing to be terrified.[/QUOTE] Beating the shit out of them would work better

[QUOTE=coldroll5;49114182]I don't know of any rational way to fix the middle east other than letting them kill each other off until one group finally becomes rational and realizes how pointless the killing is.[/QUOTE] Perpetuating the violence will never end it. Casualties and foreign military intervention only radicalise more terrorists on the long term. The stabilising solution has to come from the inside even though it can be supported by foreign troops etc. edit: taking out more structured targets instead of fighting against ideas works tho. ISIS is attempting to build a concrete institution and those can be smashed p good. [QUOTE=DaMastez;49114509]I don't think it's all that complicated. Board the boat, get all of the people off the boat, sink the boat, sail over to wherever the boat came from and drop them off. The biggest problem might be figuring out where the boat came from. That other state--every state really--has the same option to refuse to let the refugees in in the first place. [/QUOTE] You're disregarding the binding international agreements and both national and EU level laws that require EU countries to receive and process all refugee applicants individually. Turning people away en masse at the borders without reviewing them individually would be downright illegal, the process would have to start in the legislative bodies and would take quite some time. edit: if you're going to have to review every applicant (which takes half a year per average), you might as well accept the ones that qualify for refugee status. Taking people only on the basis of the right religion or skin color would also be totally illegal.

One thing I will be curious about would be numbers of military volunteers in France and the rest of the western world before and after this attack, I won't be surprised if the numbers spike a small amount.

Holy shit, this reminds me of the Mumbai attacks. :( Since France is a part of NATO, does this mean that if they call Section 5 on the IS (i.e. declaring war on them), all NATO countries are finally obliged under NATO rules to treat it as an act of war and to rid the world of these scumbags once and for all?

[QUOTE=trjr1123;49114014]Hopefully MaxOfS2D was part of the casualties. [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("Alt of Terragen" - postal))[/highlight][/QUOTE] [img]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3843429/2015-11-14%2012.50.23.jpg[/img]

I think our security forces are pathetically weak. Their attacks were perfectly coordinated. We clearly aren't. You'd think something could have been done after the attack on the stadium to quickly catch up on the other assaults. But then I'm no security or military expert so I'm probably talking out of my ass. It's worrying that all these people died when they just tried to enjoy the night. Now you won't eat pizza or go to a gig in the capital without feeling insecure. I'm frightened. Or maybe I'm just total chicken

French security forces responded just the way the should've, the entire Paris police force, GIGN, RAID and the military mobilized very quickly. If anything you should be glad you have said protectors as some countries don't.

Been comforting my french gf all night, since most of her friends live in Paris. Thankfully, none of them came to harm. The best outcome of this, would be like what Norway did after Utøya. Meaning it will bring people closer, although amidst this Syrian immigrant crisis and IS, it will probably be a lot more difficult.

Read in twitter some reports of gunfire in Bagnolet. Also, catalonian Mossos d'esquadra found a burnt car filled with multiple european license plates and a number of mobile phones ready to be activated, it's unknown if it's related to the attacks.

[QUOTE=DogGunn;49113564]Where the fuck are they getting their data from? UNHCR's own data says 65% are men. With 14% women, and the rest children. [URL]http://data.unhcr.org/mediterranean/regional.php[/URL] I'm talking about those that are reaching Europe. Not those that are registered as refugees.[/QUOTE] It's almost as though you don't read the sources. The linked source is only and exclusively looking at sea crossings. Only people who cross by boat. That's it, full stop. If you're talking about those reaching Europe, your referring to numbers for incomplete data.

[QUOTE=Zakuvo99;49114440]The same shit happened in Lebanon 2 days ago... AND NOBODY GAVE A SHIT!!!?[/QUOTE] Yes because Lebanon is another middle eastern shithole where you consider murdering each other over piece of shit religion perfectly normal. Completely contrary to that, in civilised Europe, we find this beyond any words as we would [B]never ever[/B] imagine anything like that happening.

After reading through some headlines and articles this morning, all I can say is Congratulations to ISIS. You've managed to unite the world. And they've united against you.

[QUOTE=Tidusete;49115033]Read in twitter some reports of gunfire in Bagnolet. Also, catalonian Mossos d'esquadra found a burnt car filled with multiple european license plates and a number of mobile phones ready to be activated, it's unknown if it's related to the attacks.[/QUOTE] Apparently it's firecrackers from some wedding. [editline]14th November 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Crhem van der B;49115078]Yes because Lebanon is another middle eastern shithole where you consider murdering each other over piece of shit religion perfectly normal. Completely contrary to that, in civilised Europe, we find this beyond any words as we would [B]never ever[/B] imagine anything like that happening.[/QUOTE] Let's keep it classy ok.