BREAKING NEWS: Large Scale Terrorist Attack in France -- Multiple Explosions, Gunfire! Death toll at - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Nitro836;49114712]It depresses me how much hatred and senseless violence some people are capable of showing.[/QUOTE] And in the end, for what? What do they expect to accomplish with these barbaric actions? They just enrage the world and get on its sights and marked for death, and end up not pushing whatever their hairballed agenda is.

[QUOTE=Tidusete;49115033]Read in twitter some reports of gunfire in Bagnolet. Also, catalonian Mossos d'esquadra found a burnt car filled with multiple european license plates and a number of mobile phones ready to be activated, it's unknown if it's related to the attacks.[/QUOTE] It is indeed firecrackers. A friend who lives in the street where the sounds were heard confirmed it.

The guy who turn that video went outside help the victims and he took a bullet in his arm doing this He's name is Daniel Psenny. [IMG]http://imageresize.org/Output/a37d9217-ff95-4262-b7f8-14706fa9e371.jpg[/IMG]

Holy shit that video So many people could have been saved if everyone knew how to do the fireman's carry

I guess France is going to war again. The world needs to unite and pull out this weed that's spreading to europe. Now we're not even safe in europe anymore. I hope the world unites from these attacks and openly declare war on IS.

[QUOTE=MILKE;49115129]I guess France is going to war again. The world needs to unite and pull out this weed that's spreading to europe. Now we're not even safe in europe anymore. I hope the world unites from these attacks and openly declare war on IS.[/QUOTE] [url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1493581&p=49112182&viewfull=1#post49112182[/url]

This doesn't make any sense, why would ISIS do this? I know they're evil fuckers but strategically they must gain something from this...

[QUOTE=ridinmybike;49115144]This doesn't make any sense, why would ISIS do this? I know they're evil fuckers but strategically they must gain something from this...[/QUOTE] In the letter ISIS published, they targeted places like restaurants, clubs and the stadium because it's where people go privately for pleasure. They wanted to attack people in the least likely places where they can do the most amount of terror, both physically and psychologically. Really terrifying stuff.

[QUOTE=MILKE;49115129]I hope the world unites from these attacks and openly declare war on IS.[/QUOTE] Literally everyone already agrees that ISIS needs to be dealt with, this hasn't changed that. The problem is, that they aren't some formal organization that you can force a surrender from or destabilize and dismantle. This is an insurgency, and there really is nothing you can do militarily to stop it that doesn't include unreasonable amounts of collateral damage. The only long term solution would be to practically settle military bases all over the middle east and enforce peace until stable governments can be brought into power, and then you have to maintain them for several generations so as to establish a sense of permanency and systems that allow the people there to live in peace. The problem is that people are short-sighted and will force you to pull out half-way through the process and waste all the effort whilst creating groups of people who hate your guts.

[QUOTE=soulharvester;49115158]Literally everyone already agrees that ISIS needs to be dealt with, this hasn't changed that. The problem is, that they aren't some formal organization that you can force a surrender from or destabilize and dismantle. This is an insurgency, and there really is nothing you can do militarily to stop it that doesn't include unreasonable amounts of collateral damage. The only long term solution would be to practically settle military bases all over the middle east and enforce peace until stable governments can be brought into power, and then you have to maintain them for several generations so as to establish a sense of permanency and systems that allow the people there to live in peace. The problem is that people are short-sighted and will force you to pull out half-way through the process and waste all the effort whilst creating groups of people who hate your guts.[/QUOTE] Except they're not an insurgency, they're a full on state. This isn't like al Qaeda where it's some people living in the mountains in tin pot training camps.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;49115163]Except they're not an insurgency, they're a full on state. This isn't like al Qaeda where it's some people living in the mountains in tin pot training camps.[/QUOTE] The French are going to go medieval on their asses. You're spot on that, in the Middle East, they are waging a conventional war. They will wipe clean all the people affiliated with ISIS, leave the place a wreck -Because, let's face it, they won't stay around cleaning up- and will leave ME again. Guess what will happen in 2 decades?

They're not a legitimate state, they're a terrorist group that relies on blending in with the innocent to protect themselves. They have no negotiating power, they have no terms of surrender, they have no borders and they have no army. This is not a kind of war we're used too and we have to recognize that it can not be fought the way we've fought in the past. edit: No, this is NOT a conventional war. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about if you think that we can just drive a bunch of tanks into the middle east blow up some tents that say "ISIS" and leave. What happens when they get to the middle east? "Oh look, there's a bunch of muslims here, fancy that, where's ISIS??" and no matter how many of their members they find and kill their presence there will only strengthen their resolve. You can't fight ISIS with bullets.

Apparently there's been a breach of a roadblock by four heavily armed men?

[QUOTE=soulharvester;49115174]They're not a legitimate state, they're a terrorist group that relies on blending in with the innocent to protect themselves. They have no negotiating power, they have no terms of surrender, they have no borders and they have no army. This is not a kind of war we're used too and we have to recognize that it can not be fought the way we've fought in the past. edit: No, this is NOT a conventional war. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about if you think that we can just drive a bunch of tanks into the middle east blow up some tents that say "ISIS" and leave. What happens when they get to the middle east? "Oh look, there's a bunch of muslims here, fancy that, where's ISIS??" and no matter how many of their members they find and kill their presence there will only strengthen their resolve.[/QUOTE] Except they do have boarders. They also military equipment and money. This all or nothing mentality is just silly, yes you can't totally destroy them but you can severely limit them, just like how we massively limited Al Qaeda, Al Qaeda where close to being bankrupt at one point, totally incapable of having the effectiveness they used to have.

[QUOTE=JohanGS;49115193]Apparently there's been a breach of a roadblock by four heavily armed men?[/QUOTE] Source?

[QUOTE=Sonic4Ever;49115002]I think our security forces are pathetically weak. Their attacks were perfectly coordinated. We clearly aren't. You'd think something could have been done after the attack on the stadium to quickly catch up on the other assaults. But then I'm no security or military expert so I'm probably talking out of my ass. It's worrying that all these people died when they just tried to enjoy the night. Now you won't eat pizza or go to a gig in the capital without feeling insecure. I'm frightened. Or maybe I'm just total chicken[/QUOTE] They responded as soon as they could, and definitely faster than for instance, the Indian security forces when 26/11 hit here. You should understand that guerilla attacks can never be 100% prevented. Plans can be made in as little as a few days to weeks for a major strike of this nature, and information about such events may not even reach intelligence agencies and security forces because either the whole thing slips under the radar somehow, or legitimate info falls by the wayside because of the sheer volume of threats that have to be sorted through. Also, no form of security is foolproof. Anybody with enough determination and the right tools (and not even the right tools, in some cases, but on determination alone) can bypass any known security measure. All you can do is learn from bitter experience and hope you can allow for preventing what led to the failure of the security net the next time an event of this nature can occur.

[QUOTE=D3vils Buddy;49115196]Source?[/QUOTE] Swedish newspaper (dn.se)

[QUOTE=ridinmybike;49115144]This doesn't make any sense, why would ISIS do this? I know they're evil fuckers but strategically they must gain something from this...[/QUOTE] Their ideal and culture is so different to what we're accustomed to especially in the western world in this day and age that they might as well be invaders from outer space. ISIS is a throwback to the middle ages with an alien psychology and world view. What did the sentient human beings in Jonestown gain?

This wont be the fall of EU. The real demise is going to come when islamic parties are going to form with mass supporters. Too much PC and democracy has its price.

[QUOTE=Jackpody;49115151]In the letter ISIS published, they targeted places like restaurants, clubs and the stadium because it's where people go privately for pleasure. They wanted to attack people in the least likely places where they can do the most amount of terror, both physically and psychologically. Really terrifying stuff.[/QUOTE] I know that, but what do they gain from this? They did this for a reason that could possibly help them, otherwise this is just pointless killing

[QUOTE=ridinmybike;49115241]I know that, but what do they gain from this? They did this for a reason that could possibly help them, otherwise this is just pointless killing[/QUOTE] Trying to cause fear and scare the western world. Really, I don't think they thought this out at all, only thing they seem to have done is prove that, now more than ever, we need to unite and get rid of them. Also this time we should stay there and make sure groups like this can never get of the ground, at least till the region is stable.

[QUOTE=soulharvester;49115174]They're not a legitimate state, they're a terrorist group that relies on blending in with the innocent to protect themselves. They have no negotiating power, they have no terms of surrender, they have no borders and they have no army. This is not a kind of war we're used too and we have to recognize that it can not be fought the way we've fought in the past. edit: No, this is NOT a conventional war. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about if you think that we can just drive a bunch of tanks into the middle east blow up some tents that say "ISIS" and leave. What happens when they get to the middle east? "Oh look, there's a bunch of muslims here, fancy that, where's ISIS??" and no matter how many of their members they find and kill their presence there will only strengthen their resolve. You can't fight ISIS with bullets.[/QUOTE] First of all, the "Legitimate" issue here doesn't matter. At all. A state exists, or it doesn't. Period. Are we going to argue that Taiwan is not a state just because some people don't recognize it? The classical and most accepted definition of a State is when "An entity holds the monopoly of violence inside a certain territory" and if we look at the cities ISIS [B][I]controls[/I][/B] we can clearly see nobody else has a say on what's done there but them. They are enforcing the Sharia law and stoning, burning, shooting, decapitating and whatever you can think of, to any who doesn't follow it. They have an army which is fighting in clear and defined fronts -thus, having a border- against the Kurds, against the Syrians and against the Iraq army and its allies (which at the same time are Kurds allies). The Kurds have reclaimed and taken several cities, thus forcing them to move backwards. If you check out the news, the US has waging a conventional war in a limited scale against them since they launched their major offfensives. We do not longer hear about drones strikes targeting "buildings" due to "HUMINT and IMINT" but drone strikes targeting "supply trucks. Caravans. Bunkers. Taken hills". EDIT: That's what makes them so unique in the history of middle east. Never before a group formed by terrorist cells had managed to hold ground and launch an offensive the size of the ISIS offensive. All the groups that came before or were part of them had conducted unconventional/Guerrilla/asymmetric warfare with the classical MO: Setting IEDs, making US forces bomb civilian targets, blend in with the population, infiltrate among the informants, etc etc. We weren't talking about cities being covered with IEDs, artillery being used, propaganda videos with hollywood-style production and oil rigs being blown by US strikes.

[QUOTE=Ogopogo;49115052]It's almost as though you don't read the sources. The linked source is only and exclusively looking at sea crossings. Only people who cross by boat. That's it, full stop. If you're talking about those reaching Europe, your referring to numbers for incomplete data.[/QUOTE] Those that are reaching Europe are the ones that are crossing by boat. They're resettling those people already in Europe before they start to look towards registered Syrian refugees. So yes, 65% male.

[QUOTE=ridinmybike;49115241]I know that, but what do they gain from this? They did this for a reason that could possibly help them, otherwise this is just pointless killing[/QUOTE] They gain because of the fear they struck into the hearts of the people of France. They want to prove a point that they can strike anywhere, anytime they please and that nothing can stop them. This attack is basically a big fuck you sign to europe in general, if you look at it from that angle. No killing is pointless to terrorists. They simply want to kill as many infidels as possible and gain a glorious martyrdom therewith. And some of them really like killing, as their propaganda has showcased so often. Death means nothing to these people, they see it as an honorable exit after killing infidels, no matter how innocent they might be.

[QUOTE=Intoxicated Spy;49115257]Trying to cause fear and scare the western world. Really, I don't think they thought this out at all, only thing they seem to have done is prove that, now more than ever, we need to unite and get rid of them. Also this time we should stay there and make sure groups like this can never get of the ground, at least till the region is stable.[/QUOTE] It still doesn't make any sense, why would they want to cause fear to the western world? so that they all attack ISIS? I don't know but ISIS can't really be that dumb

[QUOTE=morky;49115237]This wont be the fall of EU. The real demise is going to come when islamic parties are going to form with mass supporters. Too much PC and democracy has its price.[/QUOTE] oh yes there'll be hell to pay when the muslims :scream: take over! the problem with this idea is basically grouping the whole population of the middle-east into one giant politically unified front (when in fact there is much sectarian and political strife between and within muslim nations) and then imagining that the current refugee intake can tip the voter population distribution in favor of islamists (who all agree with eachother and form a single party which can attract the votes of every muslim).

I have a feeling they targeted Paris just because of Charlie.

same shit happened yesterday with Lebanon but it wasn't as bad here

[QUOTE=ridinmybike;49115294]It still doesn't make any sense, why would they want to cause fear to the western world? so that they all attack ISIS? I don't know but ISIS can't really be that dumb[/QUOTE] In order to fuel islamophobic flames, triggering revenge attacks against innocent muslims, enforcing the "us-vs-them" mentality and trying to gain sympathy with those same muslims so that as many of them as possible become more likely to sympathize with or even join IS.

I still feel incredibly sick from this subject...Its just so fucking surreal.