BREAKING NEWS: Large Scale Terrorist Attack in France -- Multiple Explosions, Gunfire! Death toll at - Polidicks

[QUOTE=bunguer;49115525]But not only is that unrealistic but it also doesn't actually [i]solve[/i] anything, because the stability only comes from the non-muslim population. I think it's absurd that if another person is turned radical, the people that have the prejudice are to blame for his radicalization, surely you can't mean that? Because if you are, you might as well call all of them potential terrorists and then good luck controlling the prejudice of millions of people. It is annoying and uncomfortable to have the society in large to be awry of you because of your nationality or religious choices, but the blame is not on that society.[/QUOTE] Again, you're misunderstanding. I'm saying this is how extremists groups recruit, not necessarily how they form. I should probably stop using the word radicalised as if it's solidly defined. Any individual is personally responsible for taking part in violent terror-based acts or joining an organisation that uses those tactics, but a society that accidentally encourages this through prejudice is certainly at fault and is ultimately helping to further the goals of those organisations.

[url=http://whatever.scalzi.com/2015/11/14/paris/]Opinion piece by John Scalzi[/url], definitely worth the quick read.

[QUOTE=gman003-main;49115744][url=http://whatever.scalzi.com/2015/11/14/paris/]Opinion piece by John Scalzi[/url], definitely worth the quick read.[/QUOTE] Basically, don't be Le Pen and the FN Turns out.... Since becoming leader of the party in 2011, Marine Le Pen has focused mostly on the perceived threat against the secular value system of the French Republic. She has criticised Muslims, for what she sees as their intents to impose their own values on the country.[169] Following the Arab Spring rebellions in several countries, she has been active in campaigning on halting the migration to Europe of Tunisian and Libyan immigrants.[170]

Watching the video of those people fleeing and bleeding to death on the street makes me feel so helpless. I wish more people had emergency or combat medicine experience, if I was there I would be running back and forth picking up people until my bones and muscle broke.

[QUOTE=Jarokwa;49115653]shoot them with silenced guns[/QUOTE] You should never become a general.

[QUOTE=Intoxicated Spy;49115508]And a good way to get arrested[/QUOTE] Very optimistic.

[QUOTE]Syrian who passed through Greece on refugee route one of Isis killers Syrian passport found on Paris murder belonged to refugee who passed through Greece The holder of a Syrian passport found near the body of one of the gunmen who died in Friday night’s attacks in Paris passed though Greece in October, a Greek minister told Reuters[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2015/nov/14/paris-terror-attacks-attackers-dead-mass-killing-live-updates[/url]

Godammit, people are saying don't go to paris for travel, because shit like this happened. Well then you might as well not get out of your fucking room then

One of my friend is a student doctor, she was at work in an hospital in the suburb of Paris. They waited all night for patients, ready to operate, but nobody arrived in time to be saved. They all died on the way to the hospital.

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[QUOTE=NapyDaWise;49115818]One of my friend is a student doctor, she was at work in an hospital in the suburb of Paris. They waited all night for patients, ready to operate, but nobody arrived in time to be saved. They all died on the way to the hospital.[/QUOTE] Maybe I'm making a huge assumption but if more people knew what tourniquets or direct pressure was it could have helped. I was never formally instructed on a tourniquet until I joined the Navy, I feel like it should be a basic thing in Health class during primary or secondary school.

Anybody that can be found associated with this attack; kill them and feed them to the pigs. Any body parts in these attacks that can be identified as the killers, feed to pigs. Maybe those fuckers will at least slow down if they're denied their salvation for the heroic act of murdering masses of unarmed bystanders.

In case you guys talk politics,remember this: Jean Marie lepen think the gas chamber weren't important,and in general is pretty much a nazi. Marine lepen is the same but at least she's smart enough not to show it. So don't listen to them.

[QUOTE=Ridge;49115845]Anybody that can be found associated with this attack; kill them and feed them to the pigs. Any body parts in these attacks that can be identified as the killers, feed to pigs. Maybe those fuckers will at least slow down if they're denied their salvation for the heroic act of murdering masses of unarmed bystanders.[/QUOTE] Why do you think I suggested "reformatting" them? We have the technology.

[QUOTE=Ridge;49115845]Anybody that can be found associated with this attack; kill them and feed them to the pigs. Any body parts in these attacks that can be identified as the killers, feed to pigs. Maybe those fuckers will at least slow down if they're denied their salvation for the heroic act of murdering masses of unarmed bystanders.[/QUOTE] No, use their organs to save a pigs life.

[QUOTE=Ridge;49115845]Anybody that can be found associated with this attack; kill them and feed them to the pigs. Any body parts in these attacks that can be identified as the killers, feed to pigs. Maybe those fuckers will at least slow down if they're denied their salvation for the heroic act of murdering masses of unarmed bystanders.[/QUOTE] first, they're already dead, and according to "their" interpretation of islam they're now living it up in heaven and are pals with their god. And second, when we come down to their level, we become no better than they are. Barbarism in response to barbarism is useless.

[QUOTE=soulharvester;49115158]Literally everyone already agrees that ISIS needs to be dealt with, this hasn't changed that. The problem is, that they aren't some formal organization that you can force a surrender from or destabilize and dismantle. This is an insurgency, and there really is nothing you can do militarily to stop it that doesn't include unreasonable amounts of collateral damage.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=soulharvester;49115174]They're not a legitimate state, they're a terrorist group that relies on blending in with the innocent to protect themselves. They have no negotiating power, they have no terms of surrender, they have no borders and they have no army. This is not a kind of war we're used too and we have to recognize that it can not be fought the way we've fought in the past. edit: No, this is NOT a conventional war. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about if you think that we can just drive a bunch of tanks into the middle east blow up some tents that say "ISIS" and leave. What happens when they get to the middle east? "Oh look, there's a bunch of muslims here, fancy that, where's ISIS??" and no matter how many of their members they find and kill their presence there will only strengthen their resolve. You can't fight ISIS with bullets.[/QUOTE] This is such bullshit. ISIS isn't an insurgency. They use insurgent tactics, but their power base comes from territory that they have occupied and controlled, and extort tithes from. ISIS has [I]formed a state[/I] (hint: it's in their name) in much of Iraq and Syria where they represent the political leadership and military control over the regions. A conflict with a de facto state, fighting for control over their territory, would be about as 'conventional' as it can get. By the way, are you aware that Kurdish forces have [URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/13/world/middleeast/sinjar-isis-iraq-syria.html"]retaken Sinjar[/URL]? You wanna know how they did it? They [I]shot the fuckers[/I] (with bullets!) and took the territory. There are certainly still ISIS sympathizers in the region but now ISIS doesn't have geographic, political, military, or economic control over Sinjar. That's a win. By your logic Nazi Germany could never take France circa 1940, because French Resistance fighters remained. Scattered insurgent resistance is not the same as statehood. And you don't need to crack open a history textbook to know that in the case of France, getting invaded and their government dismantled didn't 'strengthen their resolve', it completely removed them from the war as a military power until someone came in to bail them out. They presented a thorn in the side of German occupiers but they weren't waging any wars or exerting serious influence over what used to be their country. How about Russia and Chechnya? Russia suffered repeated insurgent attacks at the hands of Chechen insurgents based in Grozny. Russia invaded Grozny and dismantled the Chechen government and replaced it with a puppet state. The Chechen insurgents remained, scattered across the countryside, but lost their power base and since the 90s have been little more than a nuisance. Have you been to Somalia? I have. Back in the 90s it was a real shithole run by a series of warlords who asserted control over parts of Mogadishu. Then the UN intervened, the US took out a number of key players, and the slow process of economic rebuilding began. With the leaders and organizers dead or defunct and a viable economy being rebuilt, violent extremism loses support and power and today is well on its way out, with organizations like Al-Shabaab representing a last-gasp attempt to retain control through terror rather than through popular and economic support. Killing leadership and mopping up isolated cells has been an [B]extremely[/B] effective strategy in combating Al-Qaeda, in combating the Taliban, in cleaning up Mogadishu, when the French fought Algerian insurgents, in the recent French operations in Mali, in a whole host of other examples that I would be overjoyed to open my textbooks and list if you're still not convinced. When these groups assume statehood, all it does it put a bigger bullseye on their heads and make them easier to target. In the last 18 hours there have been a plethora of pseudo-intellectuals coming out of the woodwork to tell us all about how military action can't combat extremism. They have no knowledge of military history and seem to think that simplistic platitudes somehow constitute a viable military policy, and are entirely ignorant of the [I]numerous[/I] examples of successful counter-insurgency military campaigns. In fact, in military analysis it's not a question of whether military action works against insurgencies (spoilers: it does), the issue is always how to balance military needs against collateral damage and alienating the local population- which stops being a problem when the insurgents are kind enough to assert statehood and present overtly military targets and leadership to destroy. This is going to end in blood, and sooner or later ISIS is going to get annihilated through conventional warfare. The question you should be asking is how, once the military operation is complete, we're going to rebuild the region to prevent the ethnic and tribal tensions that led to the present instability, develop viable economies that dissuade extremism as a means of income, and build functioning non-partisan governments that adequately represent their people. This 'violence never solves anything!!!' mantra is useless to that goal, and amounts to little more than holier-than-thou moral masturbation.

Aujourd'hui nous sommes tous français Ostankino Television Tower in Moscow, Russia [IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTx3q4JWEAAyOxi.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;49115854]first, they're already dead, and according to "their" interpretation of islam they're now living it up in heaven and are pals with their god. And second, when we come down to their level, we become no better than they are. Barbarism in response to barbarism is useless.[/QUOTE] It's not barbarism, it's recycling.

[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;49115854]first, they're already dead, and according to "their" interpretation of islam they're now living it up in heaven and are pals with their god. And second, when we come down to their level, we become no better than they are. Barbarism in response to barbarism is useless.[/QUOTE] I got baaaaaddd news for them.

Just nuke the fucking Syria, don't fucking care about whoever lives there, live there but don't support ISIS? Well tough luck. [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("Advocating genocide" - Craptasket))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=gman003-main;49115744][url=http://whatever.scalzi.com/2015/11/14/paris/]Opinion piece by John Scalzi[/url], definitely worth the quick read.[/QUOTE] The problem is these type of opinion pieces is that you will be hard pressed to find someone who truly believes [i]every[/i] Muslim is somehow a supporter of these actions. What I'm guessing is a more common attitude, is a moderate feeling of uneasiness in the population which is completely different. What that piece is calling for, is for the society to somehow ignore this incident and that by judging them we're playing into ISIS hand which is a pretty 'nice' way of manipulating people's opinion - no one would want to do any favors to ISIS right? What that piece fails to address is how to actually deal with this type of situation, it's very easy to share positive feelings but I didn't see any solution presented there. Pretending a problem doesn't exist and encouraging people to ignore these type of attacks is a great way of giving more votes to the far right, which would be pretty problematic imo.

The Ericsson Globe in Stockholm changed its colors. [t]https://cdn3.cdnme.se/323779/9-3/img_2357_56475340e087c330fdfb447d.jpg[/t] [editline]14th November 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=arleitiss;49115870]Just nuke the fucking Syria, don't fucking care about whoever lives there, live there but don't support ISIS? Well tough luck.[/QUOTE] Just nuke Ireland, I don't fucking care about whoever lives there, live there but don't support IRA? Well tough luck.

[QUOTE=Coyoteze;49115874]The Ericsson Globe in Stockholm changed its colors. [t]https://cdn3.cdnme.se/323779/9-3/img_2357_56475340e087c330fdfb447d.jpg[/t] [editline]14th November 2015[/editline] Just nuke Ireland, I don't fucking care about whoever lives there, live there but don't support IRA? Well tough luck.[/QUOTE] I can move any second :v: To like UK or something. I am sorry for such stupid statement but this seriously angers me and puts into fear at same time. I used to be not scared of ISIS, would think: "Oh what they gonna do? Bomb somewhere in EU while they are fighting in Syria? lol" But this scares me a lot, almost to panic levels.

[QUOTE=bunguer;49115871]The problem is these type of opinion pieces is that you will be hard pressed to find someone who truly believes [i]every[/i] Muslim is somehow a supporter of these actions. What I'm guessing is a more common attitude, is a moderate feeling of uneasiness in the population which is completely different. What that piece is calling for, is for the society to somehow ignore this incident and that by judging them we're playing into ISIS hand which is a pretty 'nice' way of manipulating people's opinion - no one would want to do any favors to ISIS right? What that piece fails to address is how to actually deal with this type of situation, it's very easy to share positive feelings but I didn't see any solution presented there. Pretending a problem doesn't exist and encouraging people to ignore these type of attacks is a great way of giving more votes to the far right, which would be pretty problematic imo.[/QUOTE] I already suggested a general plan of attack few pages back.

[QUOTE=arleitiss;49115885]I can move any second :v: To like UK or something.[/QUOTE] Wow. My point flew miles above your head on that one, didn't it?

[QUOTE=Intoxicated Spy;49115257]Trying to cause fear and scare the western world. Really, I don't think they thought this out at all, only thing they seem to have done is prove that, now more than ever, we need to unite and get rid of them. Also this time we should stay there and make sure groups like this can never get of the ground, at least till the region is stable.[/QUOTE] This will just piss off everyone. They can kill maybe even thousands of "infidels", but they can't kill them all before being pulverized. These attacks just further fuel the war machines spreaded out through the world, who will then hunt for them. In the end? They are no more than a bunch of simple criminals, who have nothing to lose. What bothers me now is what might be next, and if they attack Portugal or Spain, or pretty much anywhere else. There are reports (trustworthy? idk) that ISIS has said that they wanted a couple of countries, namely Portugal and Spain, because of past muslim roots. I know they can't take it all for them. That's just ridiculous, specialy for a bunch of unorganized martyric idiots, but...

[QUOTE]In the last 18 hours there have been a plethora of pseudo-intellectuals coming out of the woodwork to tell us all about how military action can't combat extremism. They have no knowledge of military history and seem to think that simplistic platitudes somehow constitute a viable military policy, and are entirely ignorant of the numerous examples of successful counter-insurgency military campaigns. In fact, in military analysis it's not a question of whether military action works against insurgencies (spoilers: it does), the issue is always how to balance military needs against collateral damage and alienating the local population- which stops being a problem when the insurgents are kind enough to assert statehood and present overtly military targets and leadership to destroy. [/QUOTE] I don't think they're saying that military action can't combat extremism but rather the way the US and its allies have addressed the issue, means that they can't combat extremism. The sole focus on killing the leadership and mopping up places has been totally effective at dismantling their base, today Taliban's presence in Afghanistan is almost 0, but, at the same time, the collateral damage was completely ignored and nobody gave a shot at actually trying to rebuild an economy there. And those effects will be seen once the US troops and allies completely pull off from Afghanistan. Doesn't help the fact also that UAE helps those fucks (ISIS) and Pakistan likes to fuck around just because they hate India and whoever is associated with them.

[QUOTE=arleitiss;49115885]I can move any second :v: To like UK or something.[/QUOTE] You're inside a building with bad peoples and a lot of good peoples. The police can't evacuate you because reasons. What would be your reaction if you learned they plan on blowing up the building?

[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;49115897]I don't think they're saying that military action can't combat extremism but rather the way the US and its allies have addressed the issue, means that they can't combat extremism. The sole focus on killing the leadership and mopping up places has been totally effective at dismantling their base, but, at the same time, the collateral damage was completely ignored and nobody gave a shot at actually trying to rebuild an economy there.[/QUOTE] wasn't that what basically fucked up Al Qaeda's power?