BREAKING NEWS: Large Scale Terrorist Attack in France -- Multiple Explosions, Gunfire! Death toll at - Polidicks

[QUOTE=PaperMartin;49115898]You're inside a building with bad peoples and a lot of good peoples. The police can't evacuate you because reasons. What would be your reaction if you learned they plan on blowing up the building?[/QUOTE] I don't know, run or something. I already edited post: "I am sorry for such stupid statement but this seriously angers me and puts into fear at same time. I used to be not scared of ISIS, would think: "Oh what they gonna do? Bomb somewhere in EU while they are fighting in Syria? lol" But this scares me a lot, almost to panic levels."

[QUOTE=arleitiss;49115885]I can move any second :v: To like UK or something.[/QUOTE] So can the IRA.

Catbarf you just posted the most well thought out and reasonable argument against these pseudo intellectual moralistic retards I've ever seen. Thank you for saying everything I've wanted to say but couldn't place into words.

[QUOTE=Ridge;49115845]Anybody that can be found associated with this attack; kill them and feed them to the pigs. Any body parts in these attacks that can be identified as the killers, feed to pigs. Maybe those fuckers will at least slow down if they're denied their salvation for the heroic act of murdering masses of unarmed bystanders.[/QUOTE] Yes, let's feed [I]human body parts[/I] to pigs. That'll show them! Except not.

[QUOTE=arleitiss;49115907]I don't know, run or something. I already edited post: "I am sorry for such stupid statement but this seriously angers me and puts into fear at same time. I used to be not scared of ISIS, would think: "Oh what they gonna do? Bomb somewhere in EU while they are fighting in Syria? lol" But this scares me a lot, almost to panic levels."[/QUOTE] You can't run from a nuke. And being "almost at panic level" doesn't mean you can't think before posting something,on the internet,where you have all the time you need to think.

Belgium just detained some people related to this and a french guy in Gatwick Airport in London got caught with a gun check the news

I remember that when charlie hebdo happened,some peoples said "you can kill peoples but you can't kill ideas" Sadly it apply to ISIS too

[QUOTE=kweh;49115906]wasn't that what basically fucked up Al Qaeda's power?[/QUOTE] Yeah well on one hand the US completely fucked up Al Qaeda's power, no doubt. ISIS founder was even killed back in 2006 (Al Zarqawi, if that's how it's written). Although.....if you look at how they handed the coalition government and let the army there run things was...it was awful. Recent Pentagon checks have founded out millions and millions of dollars went to the garbage in Afghanistan. Contractors embezzled the money or didn't use it as it was supposed to be used. The pay system used in order to make money reach the police and ANA officers was medieval as fuck. Like, too many middle-men that took out their %. And if you think about Iraq, which was ravaged by war, the prospect can't get any better. A quick look at the numbers of the macroeconomic indicators, and you can quickly understand how the fuck ISIS caught up like wildfire. [URL="http://www.vox.com/2015/10/7/9466633/isis-financial-records"]With all the money from extortions and ransoms (Which is the number 1 source of their money) they financed basic services for the population.[/URL] EDIT: If anyone is interested about this way of thinking, take a look at the following articles: [url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/life-in-the-islamic-state/2015/10/01/overview/[/url] [url]http://warisboring.com/articles/ignoring-abuse-of-afghan-children-is-more-than-a-moral-failure/[/url] [url]https://medium.com/war-is-boring/how-the-pentagon-lost-track-of-45-billion-5e2cc478240[/url] [url]http://warisboring.com/articles/afghanistans-militia-turned-cops-are-abusive-and-corrupt/[/url]

[QUOTE=kweh;49115906]wasn't that what basically fucked up Al Qaeda's power?[/QUOTE] We [i]destroyed[/i] Al-Qaeda. Seriously, the near-dissolution of Al-Qaeda is the clearest proof that this 'killing extremists only makes them martyrs!!!' line is bogus. But, we built a Shi'ite government in Iraq headed by politicians with a history of repressing Sunnis, then pulled out. A Shi'ite government in a Shi'ite majority country with no barriers to ethnic repression is not a stable system, and it comes as no surprise that when a Sunni extremist organization (ISIS) came into town, the Sunni minority in Iraq was basically ready for anyone but their current government. The military campaign is relatively easy, it's the nation-building afterwards that's hard, and the American public is too mercurial and short-sighted to stay the course long enough to make it work. The French, however, have had a good track record ever since they learned from their mistakes in Algeria. If anyone can successfully lead the effort to rebuild the Middle East into a functional region, it'd be France.

Hopefully now ISIS can be eradicated via a full-front operation and not pussy-footed around by everyone except the Kurds, Russia, and US's occasional drone strikes. It's very apparent that they want a war, I don't understand how many more civilians have to die before this problem is taken as seriously as how serious the damage caused to innocent bystanders.

But our current government is too fucking unstable to do anything. Hollande is basically weak,and nearly all the politician that want to be president are either racists,sexist,or liar.

[QUOTE=PaperMartin;49115962]But our current government is too fucking unstable to do anything. Hollande is basically weak,and nearly all the politician that want to be president are either racists,sexist,or liar.[/QUOTE] A government isn't limited to its president though.

[QUOTE=catbarf;49115949]We [i]destroyed[/i] Al-Qaeda. Seriously, the near-dissolution of Al-Qaeda is the clearest proof that this 'killing extremists only makes them martyrs!!!' line is bogus. But, we built a Shi'ite government in Iraq headed by politicians with a history of repressing Sunnis, then pulled out. A Shi'ite government in a Shi'ite majority country with no barriers to ethnic repression is not a stable system, and it comes as no surprise that when a Sunni extremist organization (ISIS) came into town, the Sunni minority in Iraq was basically ready for anyone but their current government. The military campaign is relatively easy, it's the nation-building afterwards that's hard, and the American public is too mercurial and short-sighted to stay the course long enough to make it work. The French, however, have had a good track record ever since they learned from their mistakes in Algeria. If anyone can successfully lead the effort to rebuild the Middle East into a functional region, it'd be France.[/QUOTE] Ya, but we still got one big ugly problem: What do with Kurdistan. It's a key player in the region, maybe the only functional democracy apart from Israel and Iran, and the most "occident" prone of all the nations apart from Israel. Turkey Iran and UAE don't want a free kurdistan. And if we push them to be under one banner with the rule of another majority, it's going to be a huge clusterfuck. So it will be if we decided to let them have their own nation. The aforementioned countries would just completely flood the regions with weapons, money and trained fighters which would make it even worse.

[QUOTE=_Axel;49115973]A government isn't limited to its president though.[/QUOTE] but if our president doesn't have the balls to take decisions,nothing will happen.

[QUOTE=catbarf;49115949] The military campaign is relatively easy, it's the nation-building afterwards that's hard, and the American public is too mercurial and short-sighted to stay the course long enough to make it work. The French, however, have had a good track record ever since they learned from their mistakes in Algeria. If anyone can successfully lead the effort to rebuild the Middle East into a functional region, it'd be France.[/QUOTE] It's weird, we (the US) didn't try to do anything like we did in Europe during the occupation of Iraq, we just kinda handed it over to someone that we thought would work with us and more or less buggered out [editline]14th November 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Cutthecrap;49115990]Ya, but we still got one big ugly problem: What do with Kurdistan. It's a key player in the region, maybe the only functional democracy apart from Israel and Iran, and the most "occident" prone of all the nations apart from Israel. Turkey Iran and UAE don't want a free kurdistan. And if we push them to be under one banner with the rule of another majority, it's going to be a huge clusterfuck. So it will be if we decided to let them have their own nation. The aforementioned countries would just completely flood the regions with weapons, money and trained fighters which would make it even worse.[/QUOTE] In a sense, Iraq should not exist as a country. It sounds extreme but if you look at the pants-on-head retarded designs of the postwar agreements made by France and Britain you can see why it needs to be divvied up properly.

[QUOTE=Ogopogo;49115484]Fewer refugees have made it into Europe through boats than by land. So no.[/QUOTE] I think you're getting a little confused. Almost all statistics of those that have already made it to Europe are showing that it is 65% plus male adults. The only statistics that have been posted otherwise only address those registered with the UNHCR for refugee status, not those that have already made the journey to Europe.

[QUOTE=Firewarrior;49115805][URL]http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2015/nov/14/paris-terror-attacks-attackers-dead-mass-killing-live-updates[/URL][/QUOTE] Why isn't this being discussed? A refugee that ISIS bragged about infiltrating into Europe to stage an attack has happened. I mentioned this a month or so ago and no one listened: [url]http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/555434/Islamic-State-ISIS-Smuggler-THOUSANDS-Extremists-into-Europe-Refugees[/url]

Friends Arena in Stockholm has also changed their colors. [t]https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xft1/t31.0-8/12244536_863662417082147_3639665660752157183_o.jpg[/t]

[QUOTE=Vasili;49116018]Why isn't this being discussed? A refugee that ISIS bragged about infiltrating into Europe to stage an attack has happened. I mentioned this a month or so ago and no one listened: [url]http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/555434/Islamic-State-ISIS-Smuggler-THOUSANDS-Extremists-into-Europe-Refugees[/url][/QUOTE] I really don't get it. It was super predictable, all they have to do is burn their ids or passports and pretend to be a refugee and they are in Europe. That's it.

The outpouring support from all the world, standing united to help France, brings tears to my eyes

[QUOTE=Satane;49114229]Should have let the russians install communism 30 years ago. Things would have been different.[/QUOTE] It worked after America left Vietnam things went back to normal in only a couple of years. And Vietnam is largely a capitalist country now a days. Of course Vietnam was a much different beast then Vietnam due to religious extremism being the problem and not communism.

[QUOTE=catbarf;49115949]We [i]destroyed[/i] Al-Qaeda. Seriously, the near-dissolution of Al-Qaeda is the clearest proof that this 'killing extremists only makes them martyrs!!!' line is bogus. [/QUOTE] I hate to burst your bubble, but they stuck around and are stronger now. With ISIS, a dichotomy was created and people went to Al-qaeda because it seemed like the more reasonable choice between the two. Unfortunately now there are training camps and Al-Nusra is a pretty big front to it. Vice did a piece on it a few days ago: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sPY0X8SrLo[/media]

[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;49115897]I don't think they're saying that military action can't combat extremism but rather the way the US and its allies have addressed the issue, means that they can't combat extremism. The sole focus on killing the leadership and mopping up places has been totally effective at dismantling their base, today Taliban's presence in Afghanistan is almost 0, but, at the same time, the collateral damage was completely ignored and nobody gave a shot at actually trying to rebuild an economy there. And those effects will be seen once the US troops and allies completely pull off from Afghanistan. Doesn't help the fact also that UAE helps those fucks (ISIS) and Pakistan likes to fuck around just because they hate India and whoever is associated with them.[/QUOTE] Except that the Taliban is still in Afghanistan... [url]http://www.wsj.com/articles/afghanistan-city-of-kunduz-largely-under-taliban-control-1443447706[/url] Kunduz has been retaken but their presence almost 0? Bull fucking shit, apparently 6000 of their fighters died, 5000 on the Afghan side with 200 ISIL fighters being killed.

[QUOTE=Satane;49114229]Should have let the russians install communism 30 years ago. Things would have been different.[/QUOTE] Whenever an Islamic country is threatened all conflict ends and people end up uniting under the most radical fighters, the Islamists. Best to win over the MiddleEast through trade and clever diplomacy.

[QUOTE=Falchion;49114969]Perpetuating the violence will never end it. Casualties and foreign military intervention only radicalise more terrorists on the long term. The stabilising solution has to come from the inside even though it can be supported by foreign troops etc. edit: taking out more structured targets instead of fighting against ideas works tho. ISIS is attempting to build a concrete institution and those can be smashed p good. You're disregarding the binding international agreements and both national and EU level laws that require EU countries to receive and process all refugee applicants individually. Turning people away en masse at the borders without reviewing them individually would be downright illegal, the process would have to start in the legislative bodies and would take quite some time. edit: if you're going to have to review every applicant (which takes half a year per average), you might as well accept the ones that qualify for refugee status. Taking people only on the basis of the right religion or skin color would also be totally illegal.[/QUOTE] Yes because sending them weapons and aid works really well when some of them join isis or abandon there weapons then isis gets them. Or worse they join other terror groups. Face it if boots go on the ground again it will be Vietnam 3.0 [editline]14th November 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Fort83;49116027]If ISIS wants a war, we'll give em a war.[/QUOTE] That's exactly what the fuckers want they think they'll be martyred for their bullshit religion.

Hey guys let's do absolutely nothing because what's the point?!! There will still be terrorists anyways lol. I'm smart.

[QUOTE=coldroll5;49116156]Yes because sending them weapons and aid works really well when some of them join isis or abandon there weapons then isis gets them. Or worse they join other terror groups. Face it if boots go on the ground again it will be Vietnam 3.0 [editline]14th November 2015[/editline] That's exactly what the fuckers want they think they'll be martyred for their bullshit religion.[/QUOTE] then let them be. the problem with sending people in is that nobody stayed around long enough to ensure that a repeat of the circumstances that let such groups form in the first place never repeated themselves.

[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;49116180]Hey guys let's do absolutely nothing because what's the point?!! There will still be terrorists anyways lol. I'm smart.[/QUOTE] Way to misunderstand everything. The point is that "traditional" methods will not work and will only cause more death and misery. Something new needs to be thought out.

[QUOTE=Zenreon117;49116133]I hate to burst your bubble, but they stuck around and are stronger now. With ISIS, a dichotomy was created and people went to Al-qaeda because it seemed like the more reasonable choice between the two. Unfortunately now there are training camps and Al-Nusra is a pretty big front to it. Vice did a piece on it a few days ago: [/QUOTE] Al-Nusra is an Al-Qaeda offshoot in name only. There's been recurring talk this year about whether or not Al-Nusra is moving to split from Al-Qaeda, as many of its fighters are only concerned with Syria and not with the global jihad. They're locally recruited and trained and primarily focused on the Syrian war, which makes them Al-Qaeda as much as Al-Shabaab is. The experienced fighters from the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan, the ringleaders who led Al-Qaeda as a successful international terrorist organization, are dead. What's left is a bunch of wannabe jihadists struggling to be relevant amongst bigger players. Whether they're continuing the name or not is irrelevant, the fact is that they don't have the capabilities, coordination, or motivation to wage international terrorism like their predecessors. Edit: And that's really the point. Can we kill everyone who professes a certain ideology? Hell no. But we can kill the key players who make the ideology a credible threat, and then work on the social aspects to undermine extremism as a political model for effecting change.

[QUOTE=Zenreon117;49116133]I hate to burst your bubble, but they stuck around and are stronger now. With ISIS, a dichotomy was created and people went to Al-qaeda because it seemed like the more reasonable choice between the two. Unfortunately now there are training camps and Al-Nusra is a pretty big front to it. Vice did a piece on it a few days ago: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sPY0X8SrLo[/media][/QUOTE] America also created their own enemy with Al Qaeda during the 80's when the Soviet union invaded and occupied Afghanistan by supplying weapons and ammo and training AL Qaeda and other rebel groups to fight back against the Soviets. By supplying the rebel groups in Syria and Iraq the same thing could happen again if one of the many rebel groups decides to go against the United States.