BREAKING NEWS: Large Scale Terrorist Attack in France -- Multiple Explosions, Gunfire! Death toll at
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I'm watching the news and apparently there was another attack. They're not sure it's credible though.
[QUOTE=Wii60;49110950]Red Plan has been activated
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_red_plan[/url][/QUOTE]
Glad to know that there's a good plan in place in this event, the worst case scenario right now is more panic and a disorganized relief
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;49110886]Well that's just a good example of why not to play proxy war with islamic extremists.[/QUOTE]
Except that's what we always do.
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;49110896]what? what the fuck are you on about?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Shalaska;49110897]I've never seen someone outright admit to insanity before.[/QUOTE]
They're going to use this as an excuse to start mass genocide, is what I'm suggesting. Everyone will read of this, and go "get rid of them terrists" just like when the towers fell.
If it's ISIS, these hostages are not being kept to make a deal with the police. ISIS doesn't do that, and they know their demands would never be met. The gunmen won't make it out alive unless captured.
I can imagine ISIS are just rounding up the hostages and preparing to behead them all or something, I mean think about it from ISIS perspective - they are terrorists and they want to make a show of force in the French capital... a horrendous show of force - over 100 hostages executed.
French special forces should be going in now.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;49110903]Literally suggesting genocide. Fantastic.[/QUOTE]
I'm noting that this will lead to genocide, not endorsing it, you moron.
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BBC news asking people on the phone how many bodies they can see. what the fuck
[editline]14th November 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=DohEntertainmen;49110975]I'm noting that this will lead to genocide, not endorsing it, you moron.[/QUOTE]
then join people who are against genocide against innocent people
Who's willing to bet all or most of those terrorists were already known by intelligence services?
Reports of a firefight with police, trying to find more information now.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;49110962]Well the alternative is sitting around letting them massacre more and more civilians, both those in the west and in the middle east.
I'd say it's a much better solution than that. The problem is the west never finish the job, they always pull out half way through which has been shown to be disastrous in this occasion.[/QUOTE]
So something is better than nothing?
Even if that something will probably just make things worse in the long term?
Some mass media sources saying that now 60 people are killed.
[QUOTE=lyna;49110611]Maybe finally people will realize that we have to wipe out the middle east[/QUOTE]
Yeah, this worked out so well the last time.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;49110812]You mean get completely obliterated to the point that they barely exist and have no chance of organising a proper attack on the west ever again?[/QUOTE]
Are you arguing that our campaign in the Middle East was a success? If that was supposed to be victory, it came at an incredibly high cost. The entire point of insurgency tactics is [I]not[/I] to meet in open battle, but to blend into the populace and force your adversary to waste obscene amounts of money and lives in an ultimately fruitless effort to quash your organization. Even in the event that you are able to squash the influence of a particular group enough to make them effectively obsolete as a threat, you haven't taken out the [I]real[/I] enemy yet: the conditions that allowed that threat to burgeon and ensure that another will take its place. This is exactly how ISIS got its start.
You can't fight extremism with pure military force. You can fight [I]extremists,[/I] but others will replace them. Even worse, the greater your show of force in fighting those extremists, the [I]more[/I] will rise up to replace them. Direct military action feeds into their propaganda networks, driving up recruitment rates and splinter factions. This is what makes insurgency, particularly religious extremism, such a dangerous thing to face.
[QUOTE=kurva;49110777]Nope. Expect more "I'll walk with you" hashtags or stuff like;
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How is this a bad thing? A reminder that violently radicalized Muslims make up a fraction of 1% of the entire Muslim population. Muslims are not the enemy here, [I]extremism[/I] is.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;49110961]"These people"
Like, the innocent people, Muslims too, in Basra who have to deal with ISIS every day? The Royhinga who are literally being forced from their homes and marginalized in Burma?
Do they matter less? Do they? Are they not as important as "your people"
Jesus, and to think that people consider [I]me[/I] conservative[/QUOTE]
I got sad news for you. You're on your own in this world. When the world meets fan (which will be very soon) you will see this to be very true.
[QUOTE=_Axel;49110986]Who's willing to bet all or most of those terrorists were already known by intelligence services?[/QUOTE]
Careful. That kind of talk will get you labeled as a terrorist.
Next, you'll say that someone paid them to do this.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;49110991]So something is better than nothing?
Even if that something will probably just make things worse in the long term?[/QUOTE]
I don't think anything can honestly be worse than this. Thinning them down to nothing but a minor insurgency is a pretty good outcome as far as I'm concerned.
[QUOTE=_Axel;49110986]Who's willing to bet all or most of those terrorists were already known by intelligence services?[/QUOTE]
most people on the intelligence watchlist get other people who aren't/suspected of not being known to the authorities to do their dirty work, happened in Australia when a police worker was killed in broad daylight
wouldn't be surprised if that's the case here
I wonder, how do you stop this? You can't simply storm the place where the terrorist/organization responsible of this come from nor you can try to talk with them. What do you do to prevent this?
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49111002]Are you arguing that our campaign in the Middle East was a success? If that was supposed to be victory, it came at an incredibly high cost. The entire point of insurgency tactics is [I]not[/I] to meet in open battle, but to blend into the populace and force your adversary to waste obscene amounts of money in an ultimately fruitless effort to quash your organization. Even in the event that you are able to squash the influence of a particular group enough to make them effectively obsolete as a threat, you haven't taken out the [I]real[/I] enemy yet: the conditions that allowed that threat to burgeon and ensure that another will take its place. This is exactly how ISIS got its start.
You can't fight extremism with pure military force. You can fight [I]extremists,[/I] but others will replace them. Even worse, the greater your show of force in fighting those extremists, the [I]more[/I] will rise up to replace them. Direct military action feeds into their propaganda networks, driving up recruitment rates and splinter factions. This is what makes insurgency, particularly religious extremism, such a dangerous thing to face.
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Well no because they pulled out mid way which led to this disaster.
Telegraph is [url=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11995227/Paris-shooting-Many-feared-dead-live.html]now reporting[/url] that 30 hostages have been freed from Bataclan.
english livestream from french news place:
[url]http://www.france24.com/en/livefeed/[/url]
[QUOTE=FalconHBFS;49111008]I wonder, how do you stop this? You can't simply storm the place where the terrorist/organization responsible of this come from nor you can try to talk with them. What do you do to prevent this?[/QUOTE]
Ignore them.
Stop posting retarded opinions involving mass genocide, just because of some deranged extremists (of whatever ethnicity).
And don't even blame it on the masses of refugees that entered France recently.
It's terrible news for the French and this will lead to some "severe" output, but not mass murder.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;49111011]Well no because they pulled out mid way which led to this disaster.[/QUOTE]
It's like I'm looking into the past here.
We're doomed with people like this as the majority opinion.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;49111006]I don't think anything can honestly be worse than this. Thinning them down to nothing but a minor insurgency is a pretty good outcome as far as I'm concerned.[/QUOTE]
Except the only way to do that is to commit genocide.
If you think that's acceptable, then congratulations. You're no different from them.
[url]http://www.abc.net.au/news/abcnews24/[/url]
ABC relaying BBC world news, i dont know if it's geoblocked
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;49111007]most people on the intelligence watchlist get other people who aren't/suspected of not being known to the authorities to do their dirty work, happened in Australia when a police worker was killed in broad daylight
wouldn't be surprised if that's the case here[/QUOTE]
I don't know, there were other cases, like with Mohammed Merah, where the perpetrators themselves were already known.
Don't know if we should chalk it up to the agencies' incompetence or if that's an gamble that turned sour.
Me and my girlfriend are watching a live stream. Obama is currently speaking about it. Scary stuff.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;49111027]Cxcept the only way to do that is to commit genocide.
If you think that's acceptable, then congratulations. You're no different from them.[/QUOTE]
You don't have to commit genocide, we didnt have to commit genocide to destroy nazism and we wouldnt have to commit genocide to destroy isis. you cant make the idea go away but you can take away their power and resouces
Anybody could see this coming a mile away
Don't forget 4-3 months ago, there were warnings flaring up from BND that the recruitment and infiltration % were skyrocketing.
[QUOTE]Well no because they pulled out mid way which led to this disaster.
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The way and the objectives, plus the way it was carried, makes no room for "Mid way".
They did a disaster from the go and kept on making the same errors. Period.
IF there's a lesson to be learnt here, is to re-read the Vietnam literature about the south-north war, because politically and socially, it was just basically a re run of every stupid mistake the US could make.
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