BREAKING NEWS: Large Scale Terrorist Attack in France -- Multiple Explosions, Gunfire! Death toll at - Polidicks

[QUOTE=SnakeHead;49116515]We already do that. [thumb]http://www.iwar.org.uk/psyops/resources/iraq/IZD-005.jpg[/thumb] [thumb]http://www.iwar.org.uk/psyops/resources/iraq/izd-028.jpg[/thumb][/QUOTE] These must have been used during the '03 invasion. Did we use them up until we left, or?

I just heard about this I was almost kind of expecting something like this to already happen in France.

More updates: Apparently the attack was planned in Belgium according to sources and that there have been some arrests/the attackers have been identified [url]https://news.vice.com/article/paris-attacks-live-updates?utm_source=vicenewstwitter[/url]

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;49116630]These must have been used during the '03 invasion. Did we use them up until we left, or?[/QUOTE] Yeah they're from the invasion of Iraq, I'm just pointing out to the poster above that we do use them during the start of an offensive. I have no idea if we kept using them in Iraq after the invasion but I know we still do in other parts of the world. Here's one we dropped on Syria: [thumb]http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03248/raqqa_leaflet_3248851k.jpg[/thumb]

facebook already has a "put a French flag overlay on your profile picture" button :why:

[QUOTE=InfectedPotato;49116618]My facebook feed is already flooded with people using this shit to get likes and false appreciation.[/QUOTE] These people are profiteers. Its disgusting how people can just take a a picture, slap on a caption "Share and like if you oppose *Obviously bad shit" and get rich.

I know people will brand me as being a racist and putting everyone in the same bag BUT Where are the general demonstrations by those living in the Muslim neighbourhoods against what happened yesterday? Sorry, If I were a Muslim (ethnically Spanish, but Muslim nonetheless), living in the France and a group of Muslims started bombing the fuck out of business and killing people just because they are mad fucking radicals, I would immediately try to get all my other Muslim friends and known ones together and march showing that we completely disagree with that worldview and we want them to be judged. Why would I stay quiet and watching the tv, when just right now, a group of psychofucks wanted everyone to associate what happened with the Muslim world and Caliphate and Jihad and that old shit?

[QUOTE=SnakeHead;49116698]Yeah they're from the invasion of Iraq, I'm just pointing out to the poster above that we do use them during the start of an offensive. I have no idea if we kept using them in Iraq after the invasion but I know we still do in other parts of the world. Here's one we dropped on Syria: [thumb]http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03248/raqqa_leaflet_3248851k.jpg[/thumb][/QUOTE] That's... kind of confusing looking. Can someone translate?

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49116711]These people are profiteers. Its disgusting how people can just take a a picture, slap on a caption "Share and like if you oppose *Obviously bad shit" and get rich.[/QUOTE] I've seen a few people on my feed posting vacation photos in France to commemorate this (not even recent picture, some are five years old) I get that you want to pay respects but don't people think posting that seflie you took in the Eiffel tower a few years ago because of a tragedy like this is at the very least a little tasteless?

[QUOTE=InfectedPotato;49116618]My facebook feed is already flooded with people using this shit to get likes and false appreciation.[/QUOTE] sounds like a great way to cleanse your facebook for retards

[img]http://img.tylerbundy.me/9U7pg0eR.png[/img] jesus fucking christ i need to move far the fuck away from this area

[QUOTE=Lium;49116514] There is only one path to peace, and it's war.[/QUOTE] Uhhhh.....

[QUOTE=The Rifleman;49116452]This, bomb their fucking bases back to the stone age. Destroy their equipment. Ruin their moral. Destroy the oil fields which is their income. Turn the people against them. Systematically fuck them up so damn hard they wouldn't fucking dare think about attacking another western country again.[/QUOTE] Their bases are caves or ruined buildings or campsites. They have little equipment they cannot carry with them. The people are already against them - that's [I]why[/I] there's so many refugees. The ones who stayed didn't do so because they like ISIS, they stayed because they couldn't even get to Turkey. Yes, destroying the oil fields is worth doing, but they honestly don't need that much money to operate. It will impede their ability to attack at a distance, like yesterday, but it won't stop them from being a problem. One of the fundamental problems is that there are too many poor, desperate people with nothing to lose. That's where they get their foot soldiers - people who will kill just to get a steady meal. Bombing ISIS-occupied areas only makes more potential recruits. This is not a problem we can solve with brute force. We could glass everything from the east coast of the Mediterranean to the Gulf of Oman, and that would only give extremists another cause to attack us. Yes, force will be needed. We should not hesitate to employ it when it will bring good results. But it should be just one tool we wield to dismantle them, not the only one, and it must be used with discretion.

Rabin Square in Tel Aviv: [img]http://pokit.org/get/img/22e5590e23e1eb3480873e411df44548.jpg[/img]

I, too, totally disagree with the assessment that we've never succeeded in counter-terrorism by invading. Did we not totally destroy Al-Qaeda's freedom to operate in Iraq, then in Afghanistan? Yes, we struggled endlessly with the Taliban insurgency, and we would've continued to do so. But with the destruction of Al-Qaeda they became a regional threat which needed to be controlled to prevent them sheltering and assisting more international terrorists. At the end of the day, we dehumanise ISIS and rightly so, but the young idealists and nutjobs who are led into the group are going to be much less motivated when a wave of angry soldiers and Marines is thundering towards them. To some extent, you can hide from bombs, and there are tactics to avoid air attack, but we have an excellent recent history of attacking and destroying enemy positions with ground forces. We have veteran command staffs and a huge volume of battlefield experience we gained from combat in Afghanistan and Iraq before. If we go in, and we really should, we'll get them. There will be an insurgency, but insurgencies don't have the reach and scope that this false state does. I'm willing to bet we can destroy the false state and their infrastructure in weeks. I don't think military intervention alone can solve the problem, but then we've learnt that the hard way, and hopefully won't make that mistake again. It's not going to be easy or clear-cut by any stretch.

There should be laws against using this kind of stuff for propaganda

[QUOTE=MedicWine;49116704]facebook already has a "put a French flag overlay on your profile picture" button :why:[/QUOTE] great to get more likes on your profile photo! (almost feel like wasting battery on the phone to use fb chat and not see the news feed, which is flooding with that stuff)

[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;49116181]then let them be. the problem with sending people in is that nobody stayed around long enough to ensure that a repeat of the circumstances that let such groups form in the first place never repeated themselves.[/QUOTE] Because there was no point sending them because they weren't making a difference to begin with.

[QUOTE=PaperMartin;49116806]There should be laws against using this kind of stuff for propaganda[/QUOTE] Events like this are good times to discuss border security, immigration and even stuff like gun control.

[QUOTE=Jon27;49116800]I, too, totally disagree with the assessment that we've never succeeded in counter-terrorism by invading. Did we not totally destroy Al-Qaeda's freedom to operate in Iraq, then in Afghanistan? Yes, we struggled endlessly with the Taliban insurgency, and we would've continued to do so. But with the destruction of Al-Qaeda they became a regional threat which needed to be controlled to prevent them sheltering and assisting more international terrorists. At the end of the day, we dehumanise ISIS and rightly so, but the young idealists and nutjobs who are led into the group are going to be much less motivated when a wave of angry soldiers and Marines is thundering towards them. To some extent, you can hide from bombs, and there are tactics to avoid air attack, but we have an excellent recent history of attacking and destroying enemy positions with ground forces. We have veteran command staffs and a huge volume of battlefield experience we gained from combat in Afghanistan and Iraq before. If we go in, and we really should, we'll get them. There will be an insurgency, but insurgencies don't have the reach and scope that this false state does. I'm willing to bet we can destroy the false state and their infrastructure in weeks.[/QUOTE] And then what? You go into countries you've already blown the shit out of and you blow some more shit out of them. You have early success and then ISIS go underground and you've got another 10 year long conflict as you try to root them out while they fight with IEDs and suicide bombers. Then once the war loses all public support back home you leave the middle east and another extremist group slides in to fill in the power vacuum you leave behind.

:snip: i guess some may have found it rude

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49116819]Events like this are good times to discuss border security, immigration and even stuff like gun control.[/QUOTE] But not making propaganda for a party

[QUOTE=Trixil;49116829]noticed youtube's new logo [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/yBCFns1.png[/IMG] not saying that france doesn't deserve the attention and comfort, but i hope this doesn't turn out like ahmed mohamed[/QUOTE] why in the world are you comparing these two situations

[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;49116825]And then what? You go into countries you've already blown the shit out of and you blow some more shit out of them. You have early success and then ISIS go underground and you've got another 10 year long conflict as you try to root them out while they fight with IEDs and suicide bombers. Then once the war loses all public support back home you leave the middle east and another extremist group slides in to fill in the power vacuum you leave behind.[/QUOTE] First paragraph: Exactly. We have no choice. How the hell else do you propose to stop this madness without compromising our own freedoms even further, to an unacceptable extent? Second paragraph: This was our problem, our biggest failure of the two conflicts. We did a shite job of laying down the groundwork for reconciliation, and then when it inevitably became a quagmire, the government listened to the people over reason, and gave up, leaving as you say a giant vacuum. Simple solution: don't give up. Just because our military is fighting overseas, doesn't mean they're not fighting a just war, to save lives at home.

[QUOTE=Trixil;49116829]noticed youtube's new logo [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/yBCFns1.png[/IMG] not saying that france doesn't deserve the attention and comfort, [B]but i hope this doesn't turn out like ahmed mohamed[/B][/QUOTE] what does that even fucking [I]mean[/I]

[QUOTE=Jon27;49116800] Did we not totally destroy Al-Qaeda's freedom to operate in Iraq, then in Afghanistan?[/QUOTE] What you must also understand, is they weren't overly organized to begin with. [QUOTE] a huge volume of battlefield experience we gained from combat in Afghanistan and Iraq before. If we go in, and we really should, we'll get them.[/QUOTE] This is eerily similar to the statements made earlier in the second invasion. [yes, that was invasion 2] [QUOTE]I'm willing to bet we can destroy the false state and their infrastructure in weeks.[/QUOTE] This is something I think everyone wants to see, but there are ramifications. Destroy the infrastructure and you have to rebuild it. The last two times, all invading countries collectively ignored the rebuilding process. It's a catch 22. Doing nothing is unacceptable, but so is another incompetent rebuilding program in a post-invasion situation. Another massive roadblock is war fatigue in major countries. All in all, it's a giant mixed bag that has no clear answer. I'm not in complete disagreeal, but dumbing down the crisis to a matter of invasion is not doing justice to the difficulties of this screwed up, hellish situation.

[QUOTE=Lium;49116514]There is only one path to peace, and it's war.[/QUOTE] War is peace?

[QUOTE=Incoming.;49116869]What you must also understand, is they weren't overly organized to begin with. This is eerily similar to the statements made earlier in the second invasion. [yes, that was invasion 2] This is something I think everyone wants to see, but there are ramifications. Destroy the infrastructure and you have to rebuild it. The last two times, all invading countries collectively ignored the rebuilding process. It's a catch 22. Doing nothing is unacceptable, but so is another incompetent rebuilding program in a post-invasion situation. Another massive roadblock is war fatigue in major countries. All in all, it's a giant mixed bag that has no clear answer. I'm not in complete disagreeal, but dumbing down the crisis to a matter of invasion is not doing justice to the difficulties of this screwed up, hellish situation.[/QUOTE] I agree, I just think there's a certain fervor going around at the moment. It's hard not to get emotional when someone is so gleefully killing husbands, wives, children, sisters and brothers halfway across the world from their land. I think we're agreed that military response is part of the solution and I do agree, we have to commit to rebuilding, and we have to not botch the job to start with. An invasion has to be planned with the occupation in mind, none of this fucking about with shock and awe. Perhaps that would be a benefit of a France/UK/Germany-led operation supported by the US. And military action has to be one arm of a response effort. Also, there's absolutely nothing better for national morale than seeing us fight back. Law enforcement and special operations are usually kept fairly on the down-low, and they don't contribute as much to the feeling that justice has been done.

[QUOTE=Trixil;49116829]:snip: i guess some may have found it rude[/QUOTE] It's to show sympathy. I can sort of see what you mean but honestly this is a pretty shocking and terrible event.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;49116876]War is peace?[/QUOTE] death is peace but then again, thats mad bonkers