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I think all Abrahamic religions are fucked up. They statutorily teach all kinds of shit that's bad like stoning people to death and owning slavery. The difference is that Islamic cultures is like 500 years behind the culture of christian countries. Christians committed the same crimes against humanity that Islam did, but they did it 500 years ago (or less). I think all religion is bad, really. You can call me "edgy" or whatever, but I'm an atheist so what would you expect me to say? Christians think Atheism is wrong, so Atheists likewise think religion is wrong. But I still don't believe that Islam is the root cause. Secular dictatorships in backward-ass countries repress the kind of sectarian differences that could be solved through democratic discourse, so the pressure swells until the only solution to these contradictions is violence. I don't know what our short term strategy should be, but building up infrastructure in tribal areas and having heavier policing may be our long term goal. The US is actually good at keeping the peace once we've toppled a regime (takes like, a couple months to actually do so). The issue is the money and political capital runs out and when we leave we've not really put in a better system than the one that was there after we toppled to capital. Problem is that building infrastructure is extremely expensive (worked in Korea, though!). If we needed Syria or Iraq or Afghanistan as buffer states that we could place anti-ICBM installations in, perhaps there'd be more funding to building the infrastructure of these countries but until then the only feasible solution is to essentially colonize these countries and keep American peace-keeping troops there indefinitely.

[QUOTE=0x0000000C;49118898]Said absolutely no one ever.[/QUOTE] Said me.

[QUOTE=gman003-main;49118767][url=http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-ways-to-keep-terrorists-from-ruining-world/]I think a lot of people posting here could benefit from reading this[/url]. It made a lot of the points I've been trying to make, in a much better expressed way.[/QUOTE]Cracked is your source for geopolitics?

Video from inside as shooting begins in the theater [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtdnovCHbWs[/url] Nothing NSFW, watch if your curious I guess.

[QUOTE=Te Great Skeeve;49118500]While researching, I found this [URL]http://www.spiegel.de/international/the-future-of-terrorism-what-al-qaida-really-wants-a-369448.html[/URL] Skip to "An Islamic Caliphate in Seven Easy Steps" Then note the date. Obviously not going to happen, but... geez[/QUOTE] "total confrontation". As in trying to fight everyone at once, how i've read it anyway. If you want to try and do that next stage then be my guest. If anything, they will end up uniting almost the entire world just to get rid of them, just about everyone has had enough of their shit. I try to keep an open mind over religion in general, but these events are making me rather close minded about Islam, especially when i read up on it. I can just imagine certain communities in the first world (never mind the middle east, the real kicker is those living in say Europe) praising these recent attacks just like in the start of the year. Wasnt there a high percentage of ordinary "Muslims" who said that theose attacks where justifiable? Is there any info if the same can be said for the most recent ones? I just dont get it. The reason you would move to somewhere like Europe is because they want a hetter quality of like, not just for themselves but for the future generation, right? To keep them away from war. Yet even after the country bends over backwards to give these certain people a better life they had, away from above all else, war. They return the favour by supporting and praising said violence like the attacks on paris this year. And no doubt this large portion will continue to praise such attacks when they happen elsewhere. Maybe this anger is what they want, but i have a feeling it will severely backfire on them. I shouldnt really ramble on a subject im nowhere near knowable on, but i feel like i need to say something more than just saying that i feel sick over these recent events, i still feel sick thinking about it. I feel like i need to learn something valuable like first aid, i don't want to feel helpless and useless if something does happens closer to home due to these bastards.

Islam is a nice religion? You're kidding right?

Why do I have a feeling that we're going to see unprecedented genocide against Arabs? This is going to crush any support for expanding the number of refugees to the US. Time to prepare for unforeseen consequences...

[QUOTE=adamsz;49119036]Why do I have a feeling that we're going to see unprecedented genocide against Arabs? This is going to crush any support for expanding the number of refugees to the US. Time to prepare for unforeseen consequences...[/QUOTE] I don't think we'll see statutory genocide, but after 9/11 there was a lot of mob-violence against people who looked vaguely Arab. I think there is a point at which we have to accept that some cultures just suck though and need to be fought on an ideological scale rather than a racial battle.

[QUOTE=CrumbleShake;49118882]Starred this by accident whoops sorry Fuck Christianity for the crusades. Fuck Buddhism for the robing us genocide. Fuck communism for the Russians. Fuck atheism for Stalin and hitler. Fuck all ideology for being repeatedly used by powerful or influential people to rally ignorant people into wars. Islam is a nice religion, it's just that, like any other ideology, it's used as propaganda.[/QUOTE] Christianity and Islam have verses that justify this sort of behavior. They're not being used in this scenario, they're being followed. Also, the comparison with atheism isn't fair because it has no scripts, texts, tenants or leadership.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49119074]7 Christianity and Islam have verses that justify this sort of behavior. They're not being used, they're being followed.[/QUOTE] Yeah the thing about fundamentalism is that they're following the fundamentals

[QUOTE=proboardslol;49119081]Yeah the thing about fundamentalism is that they're following the fundamentals[/QUOTE] The worst Jainism has is people starving themselves to death out of fear of killing things. We should stop looking at Islam as a monolith anyway, there are plenty of pacifistic sects. Unfortunately they're an extreme minority. [QUOTE=proboardslol;49118924] But I still don't believe that Islam is the root cause. Secular dictatorships in backward-ass countries repress the kind of sectarian differences that could be solved through democratic discourse, so the pressure swells until the only solution to these contradictions is violence..[/QUOTE] Tragically these secular dictatorships keep these nations on the right track. These Islamic countries become democracies through liberal revolutions in the cities and after the first elections we can see the rural voting bloc forcing these countries to the right. [video=youtube;TX4RK8bj2W0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TX4RK8bj2W0[/video]

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;49118958]Cracked is your source for geopolitics?[/QUOTE] Who cares about where it's from as long as it's saying something worthwhile? I haven't read it, but argue correctly.

[QUOTE=proboardslol;49118924]I think all Abrahamic religions are fucked up. They statutorily teach all kinds of shit that's bad like stoning people to death and owning slavery. The difference is that Islamic cultures is like 500 years behind the culture of christian countries. Christians committed the same crimes against humanity that Islam did, but they did it 500 years ago (or less). I think all religion is bad, really. You can call me "edgy" or whatever, but I'm an atheist so what would you expect me to say? Christians think Atheism is wrong, so Atheists likewise think religion is wrong. But I still don't believe that Islam is the root cause. Secular dictatorships in backward-ass countries repress the kind of sectarian differences that could be solved through democratic discourse, so the pressure swells until the only solution to these contradictions is violence. I don't know what our short term strategy should be, but building up infrastructure in tribal areas and having heavier policing may be our long term goal. The US is actually good at keeping the peace once we've toppled a regime (takes like, a couple months to actually do so). The issue is the money and political capital runs out and when we leave we've not really put in a better system than the one that was there after we toppled to capital. Problem is that building infrastructure is extremely expensive (worked in Korea, though!). If we needed Syria or Iraq or Afghanistan as buffer states that we could place anti-ICBM installations in, perhaps there'd be more funding to building the infrastructure of these countries but until then the only feasible solution is to essentially colonize these countries and keep American peace-keeping troops there indefinitely.[/QUOTE] It's sad that saying "religion is bad" has been reduced to bait for meme-spouting idiots to say "le fedora tip" because Abrahamic religions should 100% be phased out of our culture.

[QUOTE=viper shtf;49117531]What if we (the U.S.) threatened to nuke Mecca if Isis don't surrender? It'll never happen, just curious if y'all think it could work.[/QUOTE] They'll just go even more nuts because they'll think the apocalypse is coming and everything they do will be justified by their warped faith.

[QUOTE=CrumbleShake;49118882]Fuck communism for the Russians. [/QUOTE] whyd you throw this one in here? you have all these things you're saying shouldnt be condemned for the actions of few but then you put in communism which actually is a genuine, inherently flawed piece of garbage

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;49117673]I wish I could get this printed out and framed on my wall.[/QUOTE] Get a life.

i felt really dumbfounded by the islam hates on this thread, its like every muslim is a mindless killers in the name of god. Islam is originally a region of peace bought by our prophets, after prophet Mohammed died, prophet Mohammed's close friends (theres 4 of them but i forgot the name) stood up and offer to teach islam to people. Since that day, muslims went separate ways and have different believes, one of them is suni', which believes fully from prophet Mohammed's teachings and very peaceful in general, and theres other ones too but im not really educated in it so i dont really know what im trying to say is please do not see all muslim the same as others, since there are still very peaceful and civilized muslims in the world. Try coming to jakarta, you probably won't believe most of the population is islam in religion anyone with more knowledge in islam is more than welcome to correct me also please excuse my english

[QUOTE=iAmaNewb;49118873]The world should deal with ISIS like how it dealt with Nazi Germany and WW2 Japan.[/QUOTE] Very poorly and relying on an egomaniac in the throes of amphetamine addiction to make some grave strategic errors? lets hope not.

Hey so I read a number of pages near the start of the thread and I want to ask a honest to god question. I'm not one to say genocide is the answer or nuke everyone, but I do agree that some sort of action has to be taken- earlier in the thread I saw people saying "just ignore it they're just bullies and want attention" and this isn't me trying to be smarmy or anything, honest, but what the hell is that supposed to accomplish? I'm [i]honestly[/i] trying to wrap my head around that mindset but this isn't a playground where people are getting shoved back and forth and the worst is scrapes and bruises. While genocide isn't the answer for the civilized world, what if it's [i]their[/i] answer? How is ignoring them going to make them stop when they're out to kill? Please feed me a line on this train of thought and I sincerely apologize if I offended anyone or missed out on a discussion on this already- there's 41 pages to this thread and I'm unable to go through all of them.

I think people are right to criticise Islam in general, but I think it requires a lighter touch than a lot of people are giving it. It's very easy for people to go too far with their criticism of it, and it's far too easy for more impulsive people to misinterpret criticism as advocacy for something more (such as immediate, violent action). Islam is [I]not[/I] a religion of peace, but then again, none of them are. Members of every religion like to make themselves out to be morally superior to everyone else and they use the word of their god(s), or the words of the messenger(s) of their god(s) to support their claims of moral superiority, but at the end of the day there's no real peace to be had; you can't have inequality and peace, the two simply don't happen simultaneously. As far as I can tell Islam is going through now what Christianity went through for a long period of time in the past, and society as a whole wound up not being cool with a lot of what Christianity taught/demanded/implied. Christianity, in response, evolved (ironically)... or at least large denominations of it did. Of course, there's still devout, by-the-book Christians here and there who would probably stone gays to death if it were legal, but for the most part Christians are... well, `less Christian' than they used to be; at least they are if you use how many of the bible's teachings most Christians employ in their day-to-day lives as a metric for `how Christian' someone is. Islam will have to follow the same path; it will have to become Islam-lite in the future much in the same way that Christianity became Christianity-lite; a lot of the teachings of modern day Islam will have to be abandoned. A large number of the beliefs held by even moderate Muslims today are unacceptable in the society we live in [1,2], and certainly in the society we are heading towards; Islam - as it currently exists - is fundamentally incompatible with western Society, and unless the East and the West are totally going to shut off ties from each other there's always going to be problems and friction where the two overlap; unless, of course, there are significant changes to one or the other. [1] [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV710c1dgpU[/URL] [2] [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmedbENw9JY[/URL]

Im no expert on this but since france is in NATO couldn't they call in the support of the rest of nato if they classified this as an attack from a hostile state?

[QUOTE=Kyle902;49119386]Im no expert on this but since france is in NATO couldn't they call in the support of the rest of nato if they classified this as a attack from a hostile state?[/QUOTE] Yes. The United States did this after 9/11.

[QUOTE=sltungle;49119358]I think people are right to criticise Islam in general, but I think it requires a lighter touch than a lot of people are giving it. It's very easy for people to go too far with their criticism of it, and it's far too easy for more impulsive people to misinterpret criticism as advocacy for something more (such as immediate, violent action). Islam is [I]not[/I] a religion of peace, but then again, none of them are. Members of every religion like to make themselves out to be morally superior to everyone else and they use the word of their god(s), or the words of the messenger(s) of their god(s) to support their claims of moral superiority, but at the end of the day there's no real peace to be had; you can't have inequality and peace, the two simply don't happen simultaneously. As far as I can tell Islam is going through now what Christianity went through for a long period of time in the past, and society as a whole wound up not being cool with a lot of what Christianity taught/demanded/implied. Christianity, in response, evolved (ironically)... or at least large denominations of it did. Of course, there's still devout, by-the-book Christians here and there who would probably stone gays to death if it were legal, but for the most part Christians are... well, `less Christian' than they used to be; at least they are if you use how many of the bible's teachings most Christians employ in their day-to-day lives as a metric for `how Christian' someone is. Islam will have to follow the same path; it will have to become Islam-lite in the future much in the same way that Christianity became Christianity-lite; a lot of the teachings of modern day Islam will have to be abandoned. A large number of the beliefs held by even moderate Muslims today are unacceptable in the society we live in [1,2], and certainly in the society we are heading towards; Islam - as it currently exists - is fundamentally incompatible with western Society, and unless the East and the West are totally going to shut off ties from each other there's always going to be problems and friction where the two overlap; unless, of course, there are significant changes to one or the other. [1] [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV710c1dgpU[/URL] [2] [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmedbENw9JY[/URL][/QUOTE] This is just a plain incorrect view of Christian evolution. The reformation of Christianity was a calling of Christians back to what the true Christianity was, not into a new Christianity-lite, as you call it. The original Christians were known as absolutely non-violent, hospitable, and uplifting for the poor. This same sort of process can't happen with Islam because the very beginning of Islam was based on conquering and caliph rule.

[QUOTE=sgman91;49119425]This is just a plain incorrect view of Christian evolution. The reformation of Christianity was a calling of Christians back to what the true Christianity was, not into a new Christianity-lite, as you call it. The original Christians were known as absolutely non-violent, hospitable, and uplifting for the poor. This same sort of process can't happen with Islam because the very beginning of Islam was based on conquering and caliph rule.[/QUOTE] Perhaps (I honestly don't know enough about the intricacies to say, honestly) but most recent developments certainly are a result of societal sway. The acceptance of gays within Christianity is a step that we're still very much in the process of making, though it is slowly being made. It's a never ending process, and in the modern age it's society as a whole that is driving the direction of Christianity. There's obviously some push back, but change does seem to be occurring.

[QUOTE=sgman91;49119425]This is just a plain incorrect view of Christian evolution. The reformation of Christianity was a calling of Christians back to what the true Christianity was, not into a new Christianity-lite, as you call it. The original Christians were known as absolutely non-violent, hospitable, and uplifting for the poor. This same sort of process can't happen with Islam because the very beginning of Islam was based on conquering and caliph rule.[/QUOTE] Well let's just say Luther and Calvin and Zwingli weren't....THAT cool....

[QUOTE=Kyle902;49119386]Im no expert on this but since france is in NATO couldn't they call in the support of the rest of nato if they classified this as an attack from a hostile state?[/QUOTE] Article 5. A lot of people are expecting this, we're just waiting now.

[QUOTE=Ridge;49119519]Article 5. A lot of people are expecting this, we're just waiting now.[/QUOTE] I wish they wouldn't though. Article 5 should be saved for a more serious threat, like a Russian invasion. Look what happened when the US used Article 5 after 9/11.

[QUOTE=babalenong;49119276]i felt really dumbfounded by the islam hates on this thread, its like every muslim is a mindless killers in the name of god. Islam is originally a region of peace bought by our prophets, after prophet Mohammed died, prophet Mohammed's close friends (theres 4 of them but i forgot the name) stood up and offer to teach islam to people. Since that day, muslims went separate ways and have different believes, one of them is suni', which believes fully from prophet Mohammed's teachings and very peaceful in general, and theres other ones too but im not really educated in it so i dont really know what im trying to say is please do not see all muslim the same as others, since there are still very peaceful and civilized muslims in the world. Try coming to jakarta, you probably won't believe most of the population is islam in religion anyone with more knowledge in islam is more than welcome to correct me also please excuse my english[/QUOTE] [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1le8KiPqt5I[/media] Sorry mate, but it is outdated even with the most moderate of Muslims. If a bunch of college students in Norway still think stoning people/seperating men and women is okay, then I really doubt that the cultures of the west and islam are compatible.

[QUOTE=sltungle;49119358]I think people are right to criticise Islam in general, but I think it requires a lighter touch than a lot of people are giving it. It's very easy for people to go too far with their criticism of it, and it's far too easy for more impulsive people to misinterpret criticism as advocacy for something more (such as immediate, violent action). Islam is [I]not[/I] a religion of peace, but then again, none of them are. Members of every religion like to make themselves out to be morally superior to everyone else and they use the word of their god(s), or the words of the messenger(s) of their god(s) to support their claims of moral superiority, but at the end of the day there's no real peace to be had; you can't have inequality and peace, the two simply don't happen simultaneously. As far as I can tell Islam is going through now what Christianity went through for a long period of time in the past, and society as a whole wound up not being cool with a lot of what Christianity taught/demanded/implied. Christianity, in response, evolved (ironically)... or at least large denominations of it did. Of course, there's still devout, by-the-book Christians here and there who would probably stone gays to death if it were legal, but for the most part Christians are... well, `less Christian' than they used to be; at least they are if you use how many of the bible's teachings most Christians employ in their day-to-day lives as a metric for `how Christian' someone is. Islam will have to follow the same path; it will have to become Islam-lite in the future much in the same way that Christianity became Christianity-lite; a lot of the teachings of modern day Islam will have to be abandoned. A large number of the beliefs held by even moderate Muslims today are unacceptable in the society we live in [1,2], and certainly in the society we are heading towards; Islam - as it currently exists - is fundamentally incompatible with western Society, and unless the East and the West are totally going to shut off ties from each other there's always going to be problems and friction where the two overlap; unless, of course, there are significant changes to one or the other. [1] [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV710c1dgpU[/URL] [2] [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmedbENw9JY[/URL][/QUOTE] The problem with people criticizing islam is that often they insult muslims (the people themselves) instead of the actual religion. I am not trying to start a religious debate here, but we can all agree that every religion has its own valid issues. The problem that I see a lot (particularly on facebook, youtube comments, /pol/, etc) is that instead of actually saying anything about islam itself, people say "Muslims are terrorists, Muslims are bad" etc etc. You go and directly offend a lot of people. there is a difference between criticizing Islam and insulting its followers, and its really sickening that many people don't see a difference [editline]15th November 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Tudd;49119538][media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1le8KiPqt5I[/media] Sorry mate, but it is outdated even with the most moderate of Muslims. If a bunch of college students in Norway still think stoning people/seperating men and women is okay, then I really doubt that the cultures of the west and islam are compatible.[/QUOTE] hate to use anecdotal evidence but I know many, many people who are islamic and are not like this, some from my own family. Heck my roommate is muslim and is gay himself. its also funny how you guys fall back on a handful of cherrypicked videos to "proof" that "all muslims cant X"

[QUOTE=da space core;49119558]The problem with people criticizing islam is that often they insult muslims (the people themselves) instead of the actual religion. I am not trying to start a religious debate here, but we can all agree that every religion has its own valid issues. The problem that I see a lot (particularly on facebook, youtube comments, /pol/, etc) is that instead of actually saying anything about islam itself, people say "Muslims are terrorists, Muslims are bad" etc etc. You go and directly offend a lot of people. there is a difference between criticizing Islam and insulting its followers, and its really sickening that many people don't see a difference[/QUOTE] A religious debate seems perfectly reasonable in this instance, since it is the root cause of the event.