BREAKING NEWS: Large Scale Terrorist Attack in France -- Multiple Explosions, Gunfire! Death toll at - Polidicks

To those talking about action. 150+ innocents died in Paris,if we take action it will very quickly lead to magnitudes more dying from our bombs and bullets. We ache for revenge and justice but objectively it won't make things better. Consider that before giving consent to your government to enter into another long, bloody, expensive war. Tell me who will benefit. I won't, you won't, it won't stop terror attacks, it won't bring victims back, out wrong help people who's neighborhoods and children die.

We should do something like Rainbow Six to combat ISIS, only the strongest and willing are allowed to fight (so we aren't sending countless young inexperienced soldiers to die). If we can get Alpha Gru to join this thing should be a piece of cake.

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;49122096]To those talking about action. 150+ innocents died in Paris,if we take action it will very quickly lead to magnitudes more dying from our bombs and bullets. We ache for revenge and justice but objectively it won't make things better. Consider that before giving consent to your government to enter into another long, bloody, expensive war. Tell me who will benefit. I won't, you won't, it won't stop terror attacks, it won't bring victims back, out wrong help people who's neighborhoods and children die.[/QUOTE] So you suggest this goes without repercussion? To roll over and let them continue?

[QUOTE=Fort83;49122092]So you'd like everyone to just do nothing gman? Let ISIS run rampant killing innocent people.[/QUOTE] How the fuck do you get "let's do NOTHING!" out of what I've been saying? Seriously, explain yourself there, because I quite clearly was not proposing that. PS: I will be creating a separate thread explaining my actual proposed plan for destroying Islamic terrorism. The mods seem to be cracking down on off-topic stuff lately. [editline]15th November 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49122032]You can't really diplomacy your way out of a fight with a terrorist nation so I don't see how that's an answer other than an idealogically flawed one.[/QUOTE] Who said we would be negotiating with the [I]terrorists[/I]? What we need to do is stop people from becoming terrorists in the first place. It's like fighting a fire - the easiest way to put out a big fire is to take away its fuel source.

In the lobby of a hotel... [t]http://i.imgur.com/AOF6Yf4.jpg[/t]

[QUOTE=Fort83;49122092]So you'd like everyone to just do nothing gman? Let ISIS run rampant killing innocent people.[/QUOTE]From his previous posts, he doesn't even seem to properly understand what ISIS actually is, making unfounded claims about how they function and exist, and continuing to treat them like they are not actually a functional state and are still just little Al-Qaeda cells.

France just struck back. 10 French jets involved in airstrikes on IS command centre in Raqqa [url]https://twitter.com/juliamacfarlane/status/665994440511737858[/url] [url]http://live.reuters.com/Event/Paris_attacks_2/205085415[/url]

Eat that assholes.

get some yeah get some

I don't want to look rude and shit, but Japan evolved from mad fanatic killers country to peacefull nyan hentai country after US accidently dropped some cool big stuff on them... So, recreation of that, but with ISIS instead of Japan, could work... You understand what i am talking about, right?

[QUOTE=kos8bit;49123072]I don't want to look rude and shit, but Japan evolved from mad fanatic killers country to peacefull nyan hentai country after US accidently dropped some cool big stuff on them... So, recreation of that, but with ISIS instead of Japan, could work... You understand what i am talking about, right?[/QUOTE] There's no need to be dumb by choice.

[QUOTE=gman003-main;49121976]The point you clearly failed to see was that [I]it will not stop the attacks from reoccurring[/I]. Terrorism is far too easy to commit with modern technology. Three hundred years ago, a pair of gunmen shooting up civilians would have been able to get off two shots before it devolved into melee. Now you can empty a magazine in seconds and, in a target-rich environment, kill dozens. As long as there is an urge to do so, it [I]will[/I] happen, and you can't kill our way out of the cycle of vengeance.[/QUOTE] A couple of random jerkoffs didn't pull off 9/11. A couple of wannabes didn't pull off this latest attack. French intelligence sources are reporting that the terrorists used sophisticated suicide vests likely manufactured by an outside source. These attacks take training, preparation, communication, and enough tradecraft to avoid surveillance and preemptive detection. Anyone can walk into a store and shoot some people, as with the Charlie Hebdo shooting. Coordinated bombings are not so easy. The point of this is that while killing perpetrators will not stop an ideology, killing the people who have the skills and leadership to enact effective attacks neuters that ideology as a credible threat. Then it's up to a hearts and minds campaign to fill that power vacuum with something more useful. The trite fact that bullets can't kill ideas is completely missing the reason why we use bullets in the first place- it's not to kill everyone who holds a belief system and somehow cow the rest into submission, it's to eliminate the ringleaders who turn extremism into more than angry rants in the public square. [QUOTE=gman003-main;49121976]Except we have seen quite clearly that killing the leadership does not stop them. How many times did we kill al-Quaeda's second-in-command over the past decade? It doesn't take much training to lead a terrorist movement - if you can manage a McDonald's franchise, you're probably qualified to lead ISIS.[/QUOTE] Are you really trying to use Al-Qaeda as evidence that killing leadership doesn't work? Al-Qaeda, which has gone from one of the most technically sophisticated and capable terrorist organizations in the world, led by Mujahideen veterans and backed with the funding of Saudi oil, to a backwater third-rate wannabe group playing second fiddle to ISIS, and whose greatest claims to fame in recent years have been sorta-kinda building much more successful offshoots in Somalia and Syria? Like I said, we can't kill every member of an insurgency. But kill the leaders and the plans fall apart, and then building up infrastructure and viable social systems discredits extremism as a means of political change. You may be able to run a terror cell with the skills of managing a McDonald's franchise, but you will not be carrying out coordinated suicide bombings or airplane hijackings against a Western country with those skills. And if there's someone else in your country, better yet the sworn enemy you're trying to defeat, building schools and hospitals while giving your people political representation and security, good luck finding people willing to blow themselves up for you. [QUOTE=gman003-main;49121976]If war and [I]war alone[/I] is the only option you can think of, you have stopped thinking too quickly. Both because it will not actually work, and because there are actual other options that will, given time.[/QUOTE] Thank you for the moralizing, but you A. haven't addressed at all why war won't work as a means of undermining terrorism as it has worked in dozens of conflicts across the globe, B. haven't actually identified any serious calls for war and war alone, rather than military action as a first step (to be followed by some sort of nation-building), and C. haven't identified any more viable alternatives. So you've basically given us nothing but 'war is bad, give peace a chance'. Okay. What's peace going to do?

[QUOTE=EcksDee;49119961]You also kinda missed the point. The study isn't supposed to be a comprehensive research paper of every predominantly muslim country. It's to show trends. And the very clear trend is that the more a country is muslim, the larger a percentage of its inhabitants believe in the literal application of Sharia law. I mean honestly, do you think that places like Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Syria and India are gonna be liberal bastions of "Don't ever jihad" just because they're not represented in the [URL="http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-overview/"]original report?[/URL][/QUOTE] -snippy-

[QUOTE=kos8bit;49123072]I don't want to look rude and shit, but Japan evolved from mad fanatic killers country to peacefull nyan hentai country after US accidently dropped some cool big stuff on them... So, recreation of that, but with ISIS instead of Japan, could work... You understand what i am talking about, right?[/QUOTE] That would kill lots of civilians and create mutations for years to come. Pretty ghastly thing to suggest, in such a light hearted manner also, scary.

[QUOTE=kos8bit;49123072]I don't want to look rude and shit, but Japan evolved from mad fanatic killers country to peacefull nyan hentai country after US accidently dropped some cool big stuff on them... So, recreation of that, but with ISIS instead of Japan, could work... You understand what i am talking about, right?[/QUOTE] lol what a silly thing to say

Do you remember BF3 France mission? Check the date. [t]http://puu.sh/lmYBd.jpg[/t]

[QUOTE=_demolisher_;49123114]Do you remember BF3 France mission? Check the date. [t]http://puu.sh/lmYBd.jpg[/t][/QUOTE] just realized that recently spooky

Uh oh a co-incidence I'll get the tin foil

[t]http://i.imgur.com/yJL08FF.jpg[/t] I can see the French Tricolor flag from my room, can't see it in this photo because shitty phone camera, but its quite visible and is quite a large flag. Its a lovely day too, after an especially rainy and windy friday+saturday. Seems fitting. edit: I hope this situation works out alright. Fuck if I know what alright is gonna be, but moving with haste wouldn't suit us well I think. Should learn from the problems with actions in the east in early 2000's after 9/11, but not completely avoid any action. ISIS does need to be stopped, but the question is how to do so without strengthening their position or involving us in a long, bloody, and ultimately ineffective war.

[QUOTE=kos8bit;49123072]I don't want to look rude and shit, but Japan evolved from mad fanatic killers country to peacefull nyan hentai country after US accidently dropped some cool big stuff on them... So, recreation of that, but with ISIS instead of Japan, could work... You understand what i am talking about, right?[/QUOTE] japan being where it is today has only as much to do with the nuke as it pertains to it stopping the war. its success in being a post war society comes from being occupied by a nation that wanted to help rebuild and restructure the government and society as well as having a population whl wanted to rebuild into something bettef.

[QUOTE=catbarf;49123091]Are you really trying to use Al-Qaeda as evidence that killing leadership doesn't work? Al-Qaeda, which has gone from one of the most technically sophisticated and capable terrorist organizations in the world, led by Mujahideen veterans and backed with the funding of Saudi oil, to a backwater third-rate wannabe group playing second fiddle to ISIS, and whose greatest claims to fame in recent years have been sorta-kinda building much more successful offshoots in Somalia and Syria?[/QUOTE] Thirteen years of war by all of NATO against them, and they are still able to wage terror against us. Did you forget that it was al-Quaeda terrorists that shot up Charlie Hebdo? That wasn't even a year ago. They are constantly active in Syria and Yemen. al-Shabaab, in Somalia, has pledged loyalty to al-Quaeda, and they are still a threat. You can even consider ISIS as a splinter group of al-Quaeda, which has split off, grown far larger and more powerful, and they now consider each other enemies. Why yes, I [I]am[/I] using al-Quaeda as evidence that our current strategies do not work.

Let's air drop Gman into Iraq, he'll talk some sense into those guys.

Yeah gman, stop being so critical and skeptical. Everyone knows that the best course of action is for no one to ask any questions and just do whatever feels best without actually thinking about whether or not it'll work. It isn't like that's ever backfired on us before.

Felt like I should drop an update. Back home, everything was facilitated both by air company as well as the French and embassy so far, I can't be grateful enough for that on behalf of my family. Everyone has decided to have his funeral in his home country so we're waiting on that. As it happens, my cousin was at the Eagles concert in the Bataclan and I won't go much into detail here because there's no need, but he dies a hero in my eyes. Now regarding my outburst against basically everyone: I really am sorry if I offended anyone in this thread, I literally could barely type let alone make sense out of everything around me. I do regret that outburst but the reality is that I wrote it and at the time, I meant it. But that's not me and that's why I apologize for that. I would also like to thank for the sympathy and the words from numerous people, while at the time they probably meant nothing, looking back I really am appreciative of everything.

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/w1bx8kY.png[/IMG] 870 years too late mr. history major

i wonder if that french armory burgalry a while back where plastic explosives were stolen was related to this

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;49124500]i wonder if that french armory burgalry a while back where plastic explosives were stolen was related to this[/QUOTE] That would've leveled a city block unless it was tiny amounts.

[QUOTE=Zenreon117;49124514]That would've leveled a city block unless it was tiny amounts.[/QUOTE] it wouldn't surprise me if they were deliberately using small amounts so that it goes further. who knows how many people were in on this and helped without directly taking part in the attacks, there's probably someone sitting in an apartment right now holding onto explosives and weapons for the next attack

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;49124549]it wouldn't surprise me if they were deliberately using small amounts so that it goes further. who knows how many people were in on this and helped without directly taking part in the attacks, there's probably someone sitting in an apartment right now holding onto explosives and weapons for the next attack[/QUOTE] The bombers used made at home IED's not plastic explosives.

For all those who died this past weekend all over the world, I see no better time than now to post this here. [video=youtube;SEJHJ_WfNgU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEJHJ_WfNgU[/video]