BREAKING NEWS: Large Scale Terrorist Attack in France -- Multiple Explosions, Gunfire! Death toll at - Polidicks

I've seen plenty of people arguing for total war, current pacing with air strikes, or pacifism, but few people suggesting a long term plan. Feel free to tear apart my own poorly-constructed arguments. The first goal of any of the nations in the world interested in curbing ISIS should be to restore stability in Syria. That means Assad needs to step down - whether or not you support him remaining in power, it is apparent that many of the rebels in Syria will not be satisfied until he is gone, given that he is one of the several rulers in the Middle East who discriminates for one particular ethnic or religious group to the detriment of his people. A diplomatic meeting [I]needs[/I] to be held between Syria and Europe/the US/Saudi Arabia/Turkey/etc. to actually get something done about a ceasefire in Syria. Once Syria has miraculously reforged its government and stopped killing its own people, some of the violence should slow down, and there will be less toes to step upon when trying to fight ISIS. Of course, I am well aware that the fighting in the Middle East is a proxy war with many participants pursuing some kind of agenda. It feels hard to believe that sitting safe and sound in my home across the ocean, but the world indeed seems to be waging a cold war even to this day, half-hidden behind smiles and diplomacy. Europe as a whole needs to set aside its political ambitions about Syria, since Russia seems hellbent on keeping Assad as an ally. While that is unlikely, it is necessary for any progress toward peace to be made in the current conflict. What is unfortunately even less likely is the Middle Eastern nations setting aside their own agendas. Even if some of Syria's rebels rejoin their nation as citizens, would that stop the nations around it from sending in more antagonists? Maybe. It would make their instigating more obvious, at the least. Hopefully an agreement between the world's powers about leadership in Syria can provide some begrudging unity against ISIS. This, however, is the big point: the world as a whole needs to work [I]much more quickly[/I] toward clean energy. At first, I thought it sounded ridiculous when Bernie Sanders, among others, linked climate change to terrorism, but now I think I get what they mean. Nations like Saudi Arabia, which knowingly and intentionally arm terrorists but play the part of know-nothings, are not our friends at the moment. It is a necessity that the rest of the world reduce its reliance on oil so that they do not have to purchase it from these nations. I mention Saudi Arabia because it is the big one: the US has to practically smile and nod to that nation. Iran, the other big one, [I]also[/I] gets most of its foreign money from fossil fuels. Furthermore, it is known that ISIS gets a portion of its revenue from black market oil sales, and part of the strategy against ISIS involves reducing the group's source of income and resources. Another, even more long-term point is that climate change causes droughts and flooding, which impoverishes many people around the world, which increases the number of people who have a high likelihood of turning to anger and violence. Once terrorists and their backers no longer have the ability to bend the world to their will economically, they will be in a much weaker position. That is when the West can demand that nations end their futile (and ancient) proxy war in the Middle East instead of smiling and nodding while being greased by the necessity of oil. Of course, the West is guilty as well - that is also when the West should move to fix its own broken and counterproductive system of selling weapons to enemies (and terrorists...). We need to stop treating enemies as allies and instead treat them with the cold shoulder (but not war) until the day we can legitimately greet them as friends. Unfortunately, this also means that the people who live in oil-rich will suffer economically, but the efforts toward reducing the instigation of terrorism, as well as the reduction of climate change, should make up for that.

one of the small time youtube channels i follow posted this cover song "Paris,Je T'aime D'amour" in memorial of paris its pretty cool [video=youtube;ECvGphqKY3o]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECvGphqKY3o[/video]

[QUOTE=dark-vivec;49119801]"can you tip that fedora any harder?" I'm totally agnostic, it's hard to believe in any religion that disregards nonbelievers. But I hate how it's so looked down upon to be against religions, and more specifically the extremists. Conservative christians get shat on all the time for their retarded opinions on abortion, lgbt rights, etc. I don't understand why islam gets a free pass on being much more harmful for basic human decency.[/QUOTE] Because idiots made it a meme to be atheistic. Seriously, online forums have done a 180 when it comes to organized religion talk ever since the fedora shit really took off. It's not even that funny.

I hoped that this thread would be filled with information about what's going on. Raids, etc. Nope.

[QUOTE=JohanGS;49126188]I hoped that this thread would be filled with information about what's going on. Raids, etc. Nope.[/QUOTE] there's clearly other threads

[QUOTE=JohanGS;49126188]I hoped that this thread would be filled with information about what's going on. Raids, etc. Nope.[/QUOTE] 129 deads 300 Injured 80 of them are in a critical state. 10 Fighters took off last night to send love to ISIS [video=youtube;c4HuUjMUcQs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4HuUjMUcQs[/video] If you see this fucker, call the police. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/qnMFTev.jpg[/IMG]

Also here is something you might have missed on international media. The police has arrested an arms smuggler in Germany/Bavaria [B]one week before the attacks.[/B] He carried 8 AKs with him, one revolver and 400grams of TNT. His destination was Paris. [url]http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/paris-terrorist-shooting-man-arrested-6831057[/url] [url]http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/paris-attacks-german-police-arrested-840283[/url] They kept the info secret from the public until after the attacks in Paris.

I do not understand why people are praising the airstrikes that France have been carrying out since Friday... Seeing as they started these airstrikes back in September of this year, only difference is now we are more aware of them. [URL]http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/27/france-launches-first-airstrikes-isis-syria[/URL] [URL]http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/27/us-mideast-crisis-france-syria-idUSKCN0RR07Y20150927[/URL]

[QUOTE=D3vils Buddy;49126480]I do not understand why people are praising the airstrikes that France have been carrying out since Friday... [I][U]Seeing as they started these airstrikes back in September of this year[/U][/I], only difference is now we are more aware of them. [URL]http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/27/france-launches-first-airstrikes-isis-syria[/URL] [URL]http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/27/us-mideast-crisis-france-syria-idUSKCN0RR07Y20150927[/URL][/QUOTE] They started September last year. [quote]On 19 September 2014, the French Air Force used its Rafale jets to conduct airstrikes on ISIL targets in Mosul. [/quote] That's in Iraq, but those where still ISIL targets.

[QUOTE=Cold;49126586]They started September last year.[/QUOTE] That was Iraq in 2014, Syria was September 2015.

[QUOTE=D3vils Buddy;49126602]That was Iraq in 2014, Syria was September 2015.[/QUOTE] Does it matter? They are fighting ISIL not Syria.

[QUOTE=Cold;49126643]Does it matter? They are fighting ISIL not Syria.[/QUOTE] Yes it does matter, when your average citizen isn't fully aware of whats going on. Remember, right now we are dealing with "Syrian Refugees". When the media goes around saying "France finally bombs Syria / ISIS" or "France takes revenge on ISIS training camp in Syria", it is wrong. All they have done is brought to light what has been going on for the past 2 months. Because of what has happened in Paris, they can now glorify the airstrikes that months ago news outlets were against.

[QUOTE=gman003-main;49123322]Thirteen years of war by all of NATO against them, and they are still able to wage terror against us. Did you forget that it was al-Quaeda terrorists that shot up Charlie Hebdo? That wasn't even a year ago. They are constantly active in Syria and Yemen. al-Shabaab, in Somalia, has pledged loyalty to al-Quaeda, and they are still a threat. You can even consider ISIS as a splinter group of al-Quaeda, which has split off, grown far larger and more powerful, and they now consider each other enemies. Why yes, I [I]am[/I] using al-Quaeda as evidence that our current strategies do not work.[/QUOTE] This Al Qaeda's strategy. Hydra. Bring one down, a few other takes their place. The goal is to bankrupt western nations.

Hollande is holding a speech right now and he talks about plans to work with Obama and Putin to unite forces against ISIS. This might actually be very good, globally.

Welp, guess Lisbon is now marked for a hit aswell...

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[quote=President Hollande]Our democracy has triumphed before over adversaries that were much more formidable than these cowards.[/quote] rekt

[QUOTE=smurfy;49126809]rekt[/QUOTE] It was a very powerful and emotional speech. Almost shed a tear near the end, and despite not being french I could feel the baguette inside me getting all fuzzy. [editline]aa[/editline] wait no [editline]16th November 2015[/editline] For real though, I hope something comes out of this. A meeting between Hollande, Putin and Obama that could lead to actual cooperation to get rid of ISIS once and for all? It could have a VERY good impact on the global relationship between all these countries. Even if there's still the issue of Bashar al-Assad.

Tuesday could be interesting, there's a France-England football game at Wembley and there's a movement among England fans to try and learn La Marsellaise and join in singing it before the game. Should be inspiring/funny

[QUOTE=smurfy;49126836]Tuesday could be interesting, there's a France-England football game at Wembley and there's a movement among England fans to try and learn La Marsellaise and join in singing it before the game. Should be inspiring/funny[/QUOTE] What I've always liked about La Marsellaise is that it's literally a call to arms. I mean the refrain is quite literally [quote]To arms, citizens, Form your battalions, Let's march, let's march! Let an impure blood Water our furrows![/quote] [editline]16th November 2015[/editline] basically don't fuck with France, their National Anthem is about kicking your ass.

[QUOTE=D3vils Buddy;49126480]I do not understand why people are praising the airstrikes that France have been carrying out since Friday... Seeing as they started these airstrikes back in September of this year, only difference is now we are more aware of them. [URL]http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/27/france-launches-first-airstrikes-isis-syria[/URL] [URL]http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/27/us-mideast-crisis-france-syria-idUSKCN0RR07Y20150927[/URL][/QUOTE] They won't make any discernible difference anyway many countries have been bombing Syria and Iraq for a year now and most of the terrorists killed are not even a fraction of the entire organization.

Shield used to get in the bataclan [t]http://media.20minutes.fr/2015/bouclier.JPG[/t]

[QUOTE=ExtReMLapin;49128376]Shield used to get in the bataclan [t]http://media.20minutes.fr/2015/bouclier.JPG[/t][/QUOTE] Pointman with balls of steel

For some reason, I can't to shake that, even though in the cusp of a national tragedy, they still ended up finishing that game against Germany to full time. They seem brave for not letting the terrorists end it prematurely and cause a panic and it makes France win just a little bit more to me.

[QUOTE=Fhenexx;49129897]For some reason, I can't to shake that, even though in the cusp of a national tragedy, they still ended up finishing that game against Germany to full time. They seem brave for not letting the terrorists end it prematurely and cause a panic and it makes France win just a little bit more to me.[/QUOTE] They can't do much else. They either stop midway through because of the terrorist attacks and then you have a possible stampede because of people trying to escape the stadium, or you pretend that everything is okay. What is more honourable though is that the French national team spent the night in the stadium, and so did the German national team because the French were not allowed to leave by their Football Association.

[QUOTE=MR-X;49128434]Pointman with balls of steel[/QUOTE] Jeez.... balls of steel indeed. Those bullet impact marks and holes look like they're pretty nasty- I'm betting the terrorists had 7.62x39 AKs based off of that damage. Good lord...

I'm taking this from a comment on youtube. It's honestly disgusting how the Tumblr hipster fucks are already trying to sweep Islamic elements under the rug. They are making this false dichotomy that either you have to think EVERY Muslims are terrorists or EVERY terrorists are not 'real' Muslims. How about this, you hipster fucks. Not all Muslims are terrorists, you happy? But you have to be a brain-dead piece of shit to not realize that there are religious elements in terrorism. Listen. If a Muslim shouts "ALLUHA AKBAR!" before firing dozens of machine-gun shots into an office building at Paris. Do you think he meant, "Pardon me, where is the snack-bar?" Plugging your ears, pretending to not hearing anything isn't going to help. JF is right. We need an atmosphere where we can openly talk about religious extremism without some SJWs shutting down the discussion with shit like: "Well, I HAVE A MUSLIM FRIEND AND SHE IS THE MOST NICE PERSON I'VE EVER MET, YOU RACIST WHITE PIGS! I'M OFFENDED!"•

[QUOTE=ExtReMLapin;49126346]129 deads 300 Injured 80 of them are in a critical state. 10 Fighters took off last night to send love to ISIS [video=youtube;c4HuUjMUcQs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4HuUjMUcQs[/video] If you see this fucker, call the police. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/qnMFTev.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] Dam those afterburners are fucking pretty, I want my car to have one of them.

[QUOTE=Pvt. Tibbles;49130486]I'm taking this from a comment on youtube. It's honestly disgusting how the Tumblr hipster fucks are already trying to sweep Islamic elements under the rug. They are making this false dichotomy that either you have to think EVERY Muslims are terrorists or EVERY terrorists are not 'real' Muslims. How about this, you hipster fucks. Not all Muslims are terrorists, you happy? But you have to be a brain-dead piece of shit to not realize that there are religious elements in terrorism. Listen. If a Muslim shouts "ALLUHA AKBAR!" before firing dozens of machine-gun shots into an office building at Paris. Do you think he meant, "Pardon me, where is the snack-bar?" Plugging your ears, pretending to not hearing anything isn't going to help. JF is right. We need an atmosphere where we can openly talk about religious extremism without some SJWs shutting down the discussion with shit like: "Well, I HAVE A MUSLIM FRIEND AND SHE IS THE MOST NICE PERSON I'VE EVER MET, YOU RACIST WHITE PIGS! I'M OFFENDED!"•[/QUOTE] SWJ, snackbar, tumblr, hipster. Its like the ultimate youtube comment.

[QUOTE=Fhenexx;49129897]For some reason, I can't to shake that, even though in the cusp of a national tragedy, they still ended up finishing that game against Germany to full time. They seem brave for not letting the terrorists end it prematurely and cause a panic and it makes France win just a little bit more to me.[/QUOTE] Nobody inside knew about it until the last 3 min of the match, there was no communications going through because of the 80.000 people sending sms or pics at the same time. The 3 explosions you hear on videos could easily have passed for fireworks. Also, they decided to keep the match going for the remaining time to ensure that the security would have time to close the gates and keep them inside, because it was safer to be in than out. I think they did a great job actually.