[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;35721634]Cruel punishment? Uh, lets see, lethal injection starts with a numbing agent, then chemicals that basically make them drift off and die painlessly, sounds pretty cruel.[/QUOTE]
art thou serious
it's the act of killing someone that is cruel. The fact that they did it doesn't make it right for you to do it too
[QUOTE=Sanius;35721644]yeah it does
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because, you know, it's state-sanctioned murder[/QUOTE]
For someone that murdered someone else or multiple people.
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;35721634]Cruel punishment? Uh, lets see, lethal injection starts with a numbing agent, then chemicals that basically make them drift off and die painlessly, sounds pretty cruel.[/QUOTE]
That part was actually intended as an argument against retardedly long jail sentences and lengthy solitary confinement since having the right to life would mean the government can't kill people.
[QUOTE=Bobie;35721664]what the hell does a victim's family have to do with it. if someone who commits a crime can be released with near certainty of them never committing that crime again, why shouldn't they be? answer me that.[/QUOTE]
...........how in the hell do you know they won't commit the same crime again? Are you inside their brain and reading their thoughts? You don't know what they will do.
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;35721668]For someone that murdered someone else or multiple people.[/QUOTE]
so basically murdering murders is okay because... uh...
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;35721693]...........how in the hell do you know they won't commit the same crime again? Are you inside their brain and reading their thoughts? You don't know what they will do.[/QUOTE]
Because [quote]• Within 3 years, 2.5% of released rapists were arrested for another rape, and 1.2% of those who had served time for homicide were arrested for homicide[/quote]
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;35721693]...........how in the hell do you know they won't commit the same crime again? Are you inside their brain and reading their thoughts? You don't know what they will do.[/QUOTE]
rehabilitation you idiot
Even with how the US justice system is at the moment, a tiny, tiny, tiny number of murderers do it more than once.
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;35716715]good, just stick em in jail where they belong, no need to get our hands dirty
besides, if what they did was truly heinous, then the barbarians in the prison will do the job for us for free[/QUOTE]
it boggles my mind how you people get to gold member
[QUOTE=Ermac20;35721739]it boggles my mind how you people get to gold member[/QUOTE]
$5
[QUOTE=Bobie;35721725]rehabilitation you idiot[/QUOTE]
Yeah because it will work for everyone, ok, go ahead being soft on fuckwads that don't deserve to live after what they have done. Don't quote rights to live bullshit, where did those rights come from? Someone's thoughts, it's not set in stone that something is right or wrong, rehabilitation in this case is retarded, and you are dumb thinking it's going to work for every person.
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[QUOTE=Rents;35721734]Even with how the US justice system is at the moment, a tiny, tiny, tiny number of murderers do it more than once.[/QUOTE]
Then why take the risk?
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;35721774]Yeah because it will work for everyone, ok, go ahead being soft on fuckwads that don't deserve to live after what they have done. Don't quote rights to live bullshit, where did those rights come from? Someone's thoughts, it's not set in stone that something is right or wrong, rehabilitation in this case is retarded, and you are dumb thinking it's going to work for every person.
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you're like 12 or something. I would prefer to trust a criminal psychologist's opinion over yours
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;35721774]Yeah because it will work for everyone, ok, go ahead being soft on fuckwads that don't deserve to live after what they have done. Don't quote rights to live bullshit, where did those rights come from? Someone's thoughts, it's not set in stone that something is right or wrong, rehabilitation in this case is retarded, and you are dumb thinking it's going to work for every person.
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Then why take the risk?[/QUOTE]
i cant take you seriously anymore. come back when you have actual [i]facts[/i]
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;35721774]Yeah because it will work for everyone, ok, go ahead being soft on fuckwads that don't deserve to live after what they have done. Don't quote rights to live bullshit, where did those rights come from? Someone's thoughts, it's not set in stone that something is right or wrong, rehabilitation in this case is retarded, and you are dumb thinking it's going to work for every person.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Declaration_of_Human_Rights#Article_3[/url]
Here's Amnesty on the matter, and I agree with them 100%.
[url]http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/asset/ACT50/010/2007/en/f14c87db-d3a2-11dd-a329-2f46302a8cc6/act500102007en.pdf[/url]
[QUOTE=Noble;35721883][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Declaration_of_Human_Rights#Article_3[/url][/QUOTE]
Article 5, too.
[QUOTE=Sanius;35721790]you're like 12 or something. I would prefer to trust a criminal psychologist's opinion over yours[/QUOTE]
Ok, well sue me for having a different opinion than yours.
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;35721774]Yeah because it will work for everyone, ok, go ahead being soft on fuckwads that don't deserve to live after what they have done. Don't quote rights to live bullshit, where did those rights come from? Someone's thoughts, it's not set in stone that something is right or wrong, rehabilitation in this case is retarded, and you are dumb thinking it's going to work for every person.[/QUOTE]
Actually those rights come from international treaties, the US constitution and Bill of Rights.
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;35721774]Then why take the risk?[/QUOTE]Uhhh, because you pointlessly ruin someone's life 98.8% of the time, by those stats? Because you assume they're guilty without even them having the chance to commit a crime, never mind evidence of guilt?
You know, you seem pretty angry at the moment, why should the government take the risk of you killing someone?
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;35722082]Ok, well sue me for having a different opinion than yours.[/QUOTE]
good thing psychology is a science and your opinion is the result of a rush of teenage hormones
[QUOTE=DogGunn;35721020]It's not worth rehabilitating a murderer, nor in many cases is it possible.
Considering that the many / most of the public hold the expectations that a murderer spend the rest of their days in prison, there's not point in going about that aim.[/QUOTE]
thank you, qualified incarceration expert.
[QUOTE=Sanius;35721059]and you are qualified to make this assumption because...[/QUOTE]
who the fuck are you and why are you saying the things i usually say before i say them
[QUOTE=Sanius;35722367]good thing psychology is a science and your opinion is the result of a rush of teenage hormones[/QUOTE]
Sure you aren't experiencing the same thing?
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[QUOTE=Rents;35722330]Actually those rights come from international treaties, the US constitution and Bill of Rights.
Uhhh, because you pointlessly ruin someone's life 98.8% of the time, by those stats? Because you assume they're guilty without even them having the chance to commit a crime, never mind evidence of guilt?
You know, you seem pretty angry at the moment, why should the government take the risk of you killing someone?[/QUOTE]
Prove them 100% guilty first clearly, that would be stupid and irrational not to.
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;35722400]Sure you aren't experiencing the same thing?
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Prove them 100% guilty first clearly, that would be stupid and irrational not to.[/QUOTE]
No such thing as 100% guilty.
That kind of attitude is what ends up executing innocent people.
We have the right to appeal for a reason. There may be no exonerating evidence NOW, but do you want to be the one to have pulled the trigger when we figure out the guy was innocent ten years from now?
Because that would make you a murderer, FYI.
[QUOTE=Lankist;35722436]No such thing as 100% guilty.
That kind of attitude is what ends up executing innocent people.[/QUOTE]
Then be pretty sure, same thing can be said for rehabilitation, can't be 100% sure it'll work.
[QUOTE=Lankist;35722436]No such thing as 100% guilty.
That kind of attitude is what ends up executing innocent people.
We have the right to appeal for a reason. There may be no exonerating evidence NOW, but do you want to be the one to have pulled the trigger when we figure out the guy was innocent ten years from now?
Because that would make you a murderer, FYI.[/QUOTE]
shit man dont even try to explain environmental conditioning the argument will go on foreveeeerrrr
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;35722400]Prove them 100% guilty first clearly, that would be stupid and irrational not to.[/QUOTE]
Except killing them or locking them up till they die because they [I]might[/I] reoffend is basically the same thing, you're assuming they're guilty.
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;35722445]Then be pretty sure, same thing can be said for rehabilitation, can't be 100% sure it'll work.[/QUOTE]
Rehabilitation also doesn't kill people.
First you justify the killing of another human being based upon "certainty," and now you say "well if you're PRETTY sure."
No. Fuck "pretty sure." You don't fucking murder someone based on "pretty sure."
If you figure out they're innocent ten years later, you can let them out of a prison.
You can't bring them the fuck back to life. You'll have killed an innocent person, and you can't undo that. The only certain thing in this equation is that someone is dead. Everything else is due to change.
[QUOTE=Rents;35721716]Because[/QUOTE]
You could have prevented a lot of murders just by keeping those 1.2% in jail for life or by executing them.
[QUOTE=MBB;35722523]You could have prevented a lot of murders just by keeping those 1.2% in jail for life or by executing them.[/QUOTE]
You can also prevent a lot of murders by randomly executing people in the streets.
Our justice system is not a preventative justice system. It is a reconciliatory justice system. We address crimes after they have happened, not before.
[QUOTE=MBB;35722523]You could have prevented a lot of murders just by keeping those 1.2% in jail for life or by executing them.[/QUOTE]
Ok, so what about the other 98.8% of homicide convicts? It isn't easy to feasible to figure out who's likely to reoffend at the end of their sentence.
[QUOTE=SilverKnight;35717595]The death penalty is ultimate justice for the scum of the earth who kill other humans. It should not be removed. Those facing the death penalty deserve it, they can never rejoin society and will just be a drain on resources and the victims familys will not get justice knowing the killer gets to sit tight in a prison cell eating free food and still breathing on this earth while their own family is dead.[/QUOTE]
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This is what you believe.
most murder victims personally knew their own killer
kill all of your friends to prevent murder
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