• Biggest dickhead ever on trial for murder in UK
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I don't see why Cameron isn't cutting stuff in prisons. Not staff, the luxury's! A person should not be "wanting" to go back! That's a bad sign it should be so fucking horrible that it deters anyone from wanting to go back.
[QUOTE=Araknid;36701867]Fill his cell with lego. Actually scratch that. Make the floor out of lego.[/QUOTE] They'd have to cement them in at jagged angles and stuff.
"I watch TV I know just what prison is like!!" No but seriously, I believe people like this are just a waste of space. If he isn't undergoing extreme therapy the whole time he's in there, he should just be gotten rid of. Who wants to pay taxes to keep obviously extremely ungrounded people around if they aren't doing something about it other than "DO THE TIME" [editline]10th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=dunkace;36702108]I don't see why Cameron isn't cutting stuff in prisons. Not staff, the luxury's! A person should not be "wanting" to go back! That's a bad sign it should be so fucking horrible that it deters anyone from wanting to go back.[/QUOTE] This. So many people in bad situations instead of trying to fix it just go "well I'd be better off in prison!" so they do stupid shit to get locked up.
Canteen is a term referring to a place to eat and drink. I think he means he has a lot of good food.
[QUOTE='Rain [Amber];36702211'] This. So many people in bad situations instead of trying to fix it just go "well I'd be better off in prison!" so they do stupid shit to get locked up.[/QUOTE] SO many people? What grounds does that statement have? I'd say some people, a few people, or something like that. I've thought about it before, but I decided I prefer the illusion of freedom to the absence of it.
[QUOTE=FreakyMe;36702336]SO many people? What grounds does that statement have? I'd say some people, a few people, or something like that. I've thought about it before, but I decided I prefer the illusion of freedom to the absence of it.[/QUOTE] Obviously not everywhere in the world. Granted unless you're the person doing it you don't really know why the heck they're doing it for certain anyway. And yeah I'd definitely prefer dealing with things than going to prison and having nothing but the basics. And if your freedom is just an "illusion" wouldn't it technically be absent anyway :v:
[QUOTE='Rain [Amber];36702354']Obviously not everywhere in the world. Granted unless you're the person doing it you don't really know why the heck they're doing it for certain anyway. And yeah I'd definitely prefer dealing with things than going to prison and having nothing but the basics. And if your freedom is just an "illusion" wouldn't it technically be absent anyway :v:[/QUOTE] Well, I have freedom to act within the law and within my means. It is an illusion in that I am limited by social class, location, and economic standing [heavily limited, as they are in order 'lower class, desert, and poor']. It's America so I have the freedom to choose my religion and take any job I can get to survive until I die. It's not like I am picking my career. If I could I would be in astrophysics or cellular biology. However, I can't afford any of that. I had the freedom of religion before it was given to me, just not the freedom to not be oppressed for my religion. America takes credit for letting me have what's in my head and nothing else. I'm free to pursue happiness, but not have it. I have to earn it either through unlikely events (career advantages, taking out more money than I'll make in years to go to school, etc) or inheriting it from my parents. I'm free to struggle all my life. I'm free to starve. I'm not free to cheat my way to the top or steal to get a meal, unless I want what freedoms I do have taken away.
[QUOTE=Boxbot219;36698185]It's not ok to wish for a system meant for rehabilitation of criminals or containment of dangerous convicts to fail so utterly that rape would be allowed to happen just to see to your sadistic fantasies of brutal punishment. It is not a good thing at all that rape occurs in prison. If you think the only, or even the majority of people who get raped in prison are murderers/rapists/other various people who would fill the label of those generally considered to be scum of earth then you are gravely mistaken. By wishing rape upon him you are basically saying that prison rape is acceptable so long as people like him experience it.[/QUOTE] he was being sarcastic, I know from Bobie's posts that he strongly opposes the way prisons are run today [editline]10th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=dunkace;36702108]I don't see why Cameron isn't cutting stuff in prisons. Not staff, the luxury's! A person should not be "wanting" to go back! That's a bad sign it should be so fucking horrible that it deters anyone from wanting to go back.[/QUOTE] you've kind of got to be crazy to commit a bad crime (like assault or murder) most of the time and, if you aren't crazy, then you think you've got good reasons to commit the crime. the fact that they could go to a shitty jail isn't going to stop them at that point - they'll either say "well I'm doing this for such and such reason" or "I'm going to string your balls up on a tree because I'm totally buttfuck insane!" this guy seems to fit into the latter somewhat. I get the sense that he simply doesn't give a fuck at this point, and he's just saying what he knows will piss off the largest amount of people. if UK prisons were worse, he'd probably come up with some other way of saying that he doesn't care what happens to him.
[QUOTE=Bobie;36691751]put him on a community service program, make him give back to the world he took so much from. somehow i don't think giving this guy everything he wants will rehabilitate him in any way[/QUOTE] Force him to look into the eyes of those he brought pain to. If he fails to go through with his community service, lock him up anyway, or just put him in prison after he's completed his hours. Once he sees what a prison is really like, he'll come to terms with himself (or love it blindly, who knows) and it will be too late.
[QUOTE=Boxbot219;36698185]It's not ok to wish for a system meant for rehabilitation of criminals or containment of dangerous convicts to fail so utterly that rape would be allowed to happen just to see to your sadistic fantasies of brutal punishment. It is not a good thing at all that rape occurs in prison. If you think the only, or even the majority of people who get raped in prison are murderers/rapists/other various people who would fill the label of those generally considered to be scum of earth then you are gravely mistaken. By wishing rape upon him you are basically saying that prison rape is acceptable so long as people like him experience it.[/QUOTE] i dunno but I thought he was being sarcastic. [editline]10th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=_jesterk;36702271]Canteen is a term referring to a place to eat and drink. I think he means he has a lot of good food.[/QUOTE] except the canteen is a place. He owns a large eatery? [editline]10th July 2012[/editline] After googling the words "fat canteen" I can in fact confirm that the entire first page is filled with asian restaurants with names like "seong fat canteen" and "chong fat canteen"
[QUOTE=Boxbot219;36698185]It's not ok to wish for a system meant for rehabilitation of criminals or containment of dangerous convicts to fail so utterly that rape would be allowed to happen just to see to your sadistic fantasies of brutal punishment. It is not a good thing at all that rape occurs in prison. If you think the only, or even the majority of people who get raped in prison are murderers/rapists/other various people who would fill the label of those generally considered to be scum of earth then you are gravely mistaken. By wishing rape upon him you are basically saying that prison rape is acceptable so long as people like him experience it.[/QUOTE] i was being sarcastic
[QUOTE='Rain [Amber];36702211'] No but seriously, I believe people like this are just a waste of space. If he isn't undergoing extreme therapy the whole time he's in there, he should just be gotten rid of. Who wants to pay taxes to keep obviously extremely ungrounded people around if they aren't doing something about it other than "DO THE TIME"[/QUOTE]So you'd rather pay even more taxes to get rid of them? Because "getting rid of someone" happens to be much more expensive than locking them up for life in a country that doesn't give itself full unrestricted access to killing whoever they want without an appeals process.
If he wants to go to prison, just send him to prison. He'll realize soon enough that reality and TV aren't quite the same thing.
[QUOTE=Boxbot219;36698185]It's not ok to wish for a system meant for rehabilitation of criminals or containment of dangerous convicts to fail so utterly that rape would be allowed to happen just to see to your sadistic fantasies of brutal punishment. It is not a good thing at all that rape occurs in prison. If you think the only, or even the majority of people who get raped in prison are murderers/rapists/other various people who would fill the label of those generally considered to be scum of earth then you are gravely mistaken. By wishing rape upon him you are basically saying that prison rape is acceptable so long as people like him experience it.[/QUOTE] I believe he was being sarcastic, but I have to agree. I really hate seeing that vitriolic language fill every news article's comment section of murderers, rapists, and pedophiles. It sounds as if they are happy that that stuff happens to 'scum' in prison. I believe this is because of some fundamental elements of ingroup/outgroup thinking that we as humans seem incredibly susceptible to. Then again, in a world where a majority of the population believes that there is some invisible man up there waiting to pull the trigger for you to suffer eternal damnation at the slightest sin, I think it becomes pretty easy to judge. When your role model is literally the judge of all, how could you not expect the population to mimic him in an attempt to be 'godly'? I mean, isn't Hell pretty much the ultimate form of rape, that probably includes actual rape as part of it? You are sent there against your will to suffer forever. These people wishing rape or torture on criminals are wanting Hell to be on earth so they can personally send the 'scum' there to suffer. Listen to every argument about why prison conditions should be worse, and you'll see what I mean. I do not intend to turn this into an argument about religion, I am just corroborating to speculate why wishing someone have their dignity taken away and be used for another's pleasure against their will might have become so acceptable in modern society. I simply wish these people could have whatever bridges they had burned with humanity rebuilt so they could rejoin us, I don't want them to suffer at all.
[QUOTE=Psychokitten;36697290]Huh?[/QUOTE] i think he means his canteen is big or something so he can eat loads of food all day
[QUOTE=Gareth;36703439]i think he means his canteen is big or something so he can eat loads of food all day[/QUOTE] In the most logical misuse of the word - A canteen is a place where food is served by an establishment such as a hospital, school, or prison. If he has a large stash of snacks in his cell or readily accessible, he could easily use the term 'canteen' to describe it's variety. He also simply could be referring to the prison cafeteria as a canteen, and be referring to it's accessibility and variety. He doesn't sound like a man with a very high standard of living, so I'd assume whatever he is getting there seems luxurious and amazingly consistent in comparison.
They should get rid of him like how the Russians got rid of Andrei Chikatilo.
If he wants prison let him have it, solitary confinement for 65 years. Should give him time to think about his actions.
Send the bugger to a Russian prison. I mean, if he did it because he loves prisons, the logical punishment is to send him to the kind of prison where they don't bother with rehabilitation and just break your spirit.
[QUOTE=Mr Shadyface;36703869]Send the bugger to a Russian prison. I mean, if he did it because he loves prisons, the logical punishment is to send him to the kind of prison where they don't bother with rehabilitation and just break your spirit.[/QUOTE] Yeah, because spending the extra effort and money to have a man sent to a prison in an entirely different country that wouldn't even want him just to induce further pointless suffering just screams logic.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;36693051][url]http://www.channel4.com/programmes/lifers[/url] tl;dr UK prisons are neither the cushy holiday resorts that the daily mail seems to think nor guantanamo bay[/QUOTE] Thanks for that link, i actually didn't realise our prisons were that humane.
[QUOTE=kenji;36704300]Thanks for that link, i actually didn't realise out prisons were that humane.[/QUOTE] It's more like a long-term grounding, really. [editline]10th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Zambies!;36700465]Oh come on, you say this kind of shit in every thread where a comparison between the EU/US is made.[/QUOTE] Yes. Ok. I concede i've gone too much into stating the obvious.
[QUOTE='Rain [Amber];36702211']"I watch TV I know just what prison is like!!" No but seriously, I believe people like this are just a waste of space. If he isn't undergoing extreme therapy the whole time he's in there, he should just be gotten rid of. Who wants to pay taxes to keep obviously extremely ungrounded people around if they aren't doing something about it other than "DO THE TIME" [editline]10th July 2012[/editline] This. So many people in bad situations instead of trying to fix it just go "well I'd be better off in prison!" so they do stupid shit to get locked up.[/QUOTE] You are completely right, I mean just look at Norway with its massive crime rates. That place is a hell hole.
[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;36705344]You are completely right, I mean just look at Norway with its massive crime rates. That place is a hell hole.[/QUOTE] Norway also has a tiny population and tons of money, kind of a different situation to the UK.
I remember reading an article about an ex-prisoner who was involved in a big prison riot in the 80s, he said a lot of the rapists and pedophiles got castrated by fellow prisoners when it all went down.
[QUOTE=Doom14;36691684]If it's anything like prison here and this kid isn't moderately buff, he's got at least 30+ years ahead of him of being prison bitch with a high chance of shank. Gotta be some kinda something to wish that on yourself.[/QUOTE] British prison is quite cushy
Send him to the ADX Florence, Colorado Supermax Facility, see how he likes being broken down mentally for 65 years with virtually no human contact.
[QUOTE=Lukeo;36692431]People just assume criminals are going to get killed/raped/whatever in prison, and I'm sure frankly, like myself, they have no idea what prison is like. :v: We got any documentaries on this kind of thing?[/QUOTE] All I know about prisons, is that you gotta have booty. That's what the booty warrior says and I abide by it. Gotta have booty.
Stick him in a tight rock hole in a cave with his arms behind his back and make sure he's unable to move and leave him like that.
[QUOTE=Lukeo;36692431]People just assume criminals are going to get killed/raped/whatever in prison, and I'm sure frankly, like myself, they have no idea what prison is like. :v: We got any documentaries on this kind of thing?[/QUOTE] According to US prison documentaries there are a shit ton of rapings and stabbings. As for UK I haven't seen any. I diffidently do not want to go to a prison here in the US [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItAzJD0o9NQ[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5FDJwhNmvc[/media]
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