Obama Outraised his Republican Opponents in February
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[QUOTE=yawmwen;35228013]Libya, Israel, Drug War, NDAA, Bailouts, to name a few.[/QUOTE]
I actually don't have much of a problem with those. Except maybe Israel.
Libya wasn't that bad. It was mostly just occasional ground attacks by aircraft and ships. We were just giving the rebels an easier time with very little risk to American lives. Something I'd like to see done with Syria.
No comment on the drug war. The most I know about that are going's on in Mexico and that one of our departments gave one or more cartel's plenty of guns.
Repeat after me: [B]NDAA. Was. Not. Obama's. Fault.[/B] Got that? The NDAA is the budget for the entire military. If that didn't pass, our military, you know, the whole thing Obama is the commander-in-chief of, would be financially [B]fucked.[/B] The bill already received more than enough support to override any possible Veto on Obama's part. The best case scenario we can hope for is that Congress will abolish The PATRIOT Act and Sections 1021 and 1022 of the NDAA, where the problem with that bill first arose. Unfortunately, due to Congress having sticks the size of javelins up their asses, that's not very likely.
The bailout argument is pretty much subject to just speculation. What would have happened if the bailouts were never given out? Nobody really knows. Would there be some horrible effects of a "too big to fail" actually failing? I don't know, but frankly I'd like to not find out first hand. What I remember the most about the bailouts was when AIG had the gall to give themselves bonuses after the bailouts were given.
It should be illegal to be as stupid as the people commenting on the article.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;35228174]We shouldn't have been involved, neither should Europe.[/quote]
You can't be serious. You seriously support Qaddafi's brutal and murderous crackdown on the protesters?
[quote]And Democrats. I guess it isn't much a failure of Obama's but more of a failure of the Democratic Party as a whole.[/quote]
What the hell are you talking about?
[quote]The bailouts in '09.[/QUOTE]
Are you trying to pin Bush's bailouts on Obama? Just because they happened during Obama's first year doesn't mean he was the one who chose them. And regardless, without the bailouts, we'd probably be even more fucked.
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The bailouts in '09.[/QUOTE]
He was only responsible for one of the automotive bailouts if I remember. Not the TARP thing that the tea partiers love to complain about
[QUOTE=King Tiger;35228242]You can't be serious. You seriously support Qaddafi's brutal and murderous crackdown on the protesters?[/quote]
No, but it's none of our damn business. We are not the world police, and we do not have the right to conduct military operations just because we don't like the person in charge of the country.
[quote]What the hell are you talking about?[/quote]
NDAA was signed with bipartisan support. It shows how untrustworthy Democrats are.
[quote]Are you trying to pin Bush's bailouts on Obama? Just because they happened during Obama's first year doesn't mean he was the one who chose them. And regardless, without the bailouts, we'd probably be even more fucked.[/QUOTE]
Bush started it, but Obama expanded it. We don't know what would have happened without the bailouts, but I sure as hell don't support [I]my[/I] money being spent on executive's bonuses.
Blame the execs for that, not obama
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[QUOTE=yawmwen;35228269]NDAA was signed with bipartisan support. It shows how untrustworthy Democrats are.
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Politicians
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And Democrats. I guess it isn't much a failure of Obama's but more of a failure of the Democratic Party as a whole.[/QUOTE]
It's a failure of the entire damn Congress! Out of all 535 of those bastards on Capital Hill, I'd call saying even 100 of them aren't bought and paid for as being far too generous an assumption. Just look at SOPA, where it took [B]Google and Wikipedia[/B] to actually get people's attention and hold a political gun up to their heads to change their minds. Actually, scratch that, it's not a failure of Congress, it's a failure of the whole goddamn country when things actually have to [B]resort[/B] to that. People should be able to naturally know and be aware that they are being fucked over. We shouldn't need Google or Wikipedia to slap people in the face and tell them to wake up. [B]Why the fuck can't we do this on our own?![/B] It's not just the media, it's the culture. You can blame FOX or poor journalism all you want but that doesn't even scratch the [B]surface[/B] of the problem: That a good 1 to 2 thirds of our entire country is actively tuning things like this out of their minds, like a willing version of the wife from Harrison Bergeron and won't even acknowledge the fact that our political system is trash. I'm not asking for people to turn into geniuses who are constantly thinking about the problems and coming up with brilliant solutions. I'm asking for some awareness of what's actually going on. It's 2AM and I'm going to bed.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;35228305]Blame the execs for that, not obama
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No, blame Obama for that, not the execs. What the fuck did people think a bunch of corporate assholes would do with the money? These guys aren't supposed to be trusted.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;35228269]No, but it's none of our damn business. We are not the world police, and we do not have the right to conduct military operations just because we don't like the person in charge of the country.[/QUOTE]
Well america is a part of NATO so they're obligated to assist.
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[QUOTE=yawmwen;35228342]No, blame Obama for that, not the execs. What the fuck did people think a bunch of corporate assholes would do with the money? These guys aren't supposed to be trusted.[/QUOTE]
The idea was that the money would prevent them from going bankrupt and prevent millions of people from losing their jobs.
[QUOTE=Hidole555;35228335]It's a failure of the entire damn Congress! Out of all 535 of those bastards on Capital Hill, I'd call saying even 100 of them aren't bought and paid for as being far too generous an assumption. Just look at SOPA, where it took [B]Google and Wikipedia[/B] to actually get people's attention and hold a political gun up to their heads to change their minds. Actually, scratch that, it's not a failure of Congress, it's a failure of the whole goddamn country when things actually have to [B]resort[/B] to that. People should be able to naturally know and be aware that they are being fucked over. We shouldn't need Google or Wikipedia to slap people in the face and tell them to wake up. [B]Why the fuck can't we do this on our own?![/B] It's not just the media, it's the culture. You can blame FOX or poor journalism all you want but that doesn't even scratch the [B]surface[/B] of the problem: That a good 1 to 2 thirds of our entire country is actively tuning things like this out of their minds, like a willing version of the wife from Harrison Bergeron and won't even acknowledge the fact that our political system is trash. I'm not asking for people to turn into geniuses who are constantly thinking about the problems and coming up with brilliant solutions. I'm asking for some awareness of what's actually going on. It's 2AM and I'm going to bed.[/QUOTE]
This is exactly why I feel so fucking frustrated all the time.
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[QUOTE=Lambeth;35228344]Well america is a part of NATO so they're obligated to assist.[/quote]
Fuck NATO if they want to play world police.
[quote]The idea was that the money would prevent them from going bankrupt and prevent millions of people from losing their jobs.[/QUOTE]
That was definitely the idea, but it wasn't a very good one.
-nevermind-
Fuck Obama! He kept people in Detroit employed through sparing the American auto industry and not letting our German brothers take over.
[quote]Hey, genius, do Solyndra and "Fast and Furious" ring any bells? How about attempting to pass off a phony birth certificate as genuine? Or maybe having the Social Security number of a dead man from Connecticut? Minor issues, right?! Have another sip of the koolaid!![/quote]
I swear, some people are so gullible and so stupid that the world would be far better off with them dead.
[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;35227197]Funny, wasn't Obama originally against using Super-PACs?[/QUOTE]
He realized that he couldn't fight them at the time
[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;35227197]Funny, wasn't Obama originally against using Super-PACs?[/QUOTE]
It's frustrating, yes. But politics is a dirty game, and you have to play by its rules at some point to have any hope of changing them.
Why can't we have one national primary vote spanned over the course of a week? (I say a week because that way people have options as to which day they can integrate into their schedule for voting)
It would certainly diminish the need for super PACs, all you'd need is to appear at the debates, run some campaign ads, and pop up on newscasts a couple times.
Still seems like a lot, but it's nothing compared to the cost of traveling and organizing events ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.
[QUOTE=joes33431;35232391]Why can't we have one national primary vote spanned over the course of a week? (I say a week because that way people have options as to which day they can integrate into their schedule for voting)
It would certainly diminish the need for super PACs, all you'd need is to appear at the debates, run some campaign ads, and pop up on newscasts a couple times.
Still seems like a lot, but it's nothing compared to the cost of traveling and organizing events ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.[/QUOTE]
Why would the parties adopt a policy that allows the less wealthy to run for office? It, just like the election reform we so desperately need, threatens their monopoly (oligopoly?) on power. You might as well ask them to encourage voting for a third party.
[QUOTE=Hidole555;35232573]Why would the parties adopt a policy that allows the less wealthy to run for office? It, just like the election reform we so desperately need, threatens their monopoly (oligopoly?) on power. You might as well ask them to encourage voting for a third party.[/QUOTE]
Depends. Our political system is broken, but not broken beyond repair.
To explain what needs to happen in an oversimplified manner, we need to:
1.) Bring accountability to politicians and the corporations that support them.
2.) Raise awareness of how broken our system is and the dangers of money in politics.
3.) Hold petitions, rallies, meetings, protests, et cetera.
Since accountability is held and a good deal of people end up concerned about an issue, politicians will be forced to take action or face losing election come the end of their terms.
These things seem a bit far-fetched, but there are plenty of people who would support such a movement in the event that it gains enough weight behind it. Take Jon Stewart for example.
I am wondering who expected any candidate other than Obama to get more money in fundraising than him
[QUOTE=yawmwen;35228359]Fuck NATO if they want to play world police. [/QUOTE]
Yes, let's allow people to suffer because they're part of a different nation even though we definitely have the ability to help. After all, only one's own country matters. Isolationism FTW.
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