Christian group books anti-gay ads to appear on buses - Polidicks

[QUOTE=CheeserCrice;35542462]i'm christian and this is the most stupid, bigoted thing i've seen. (okay maybe not the worst but close)[/QUOTE] My very own fucking mom is a christian who weekly goes to church and all that stuff, and her biggest "concern" when I told her was I won't get her any grandchildren. There are reasonable Christians all around. Just these particular people are complete shitheads, and sadly these are the ones who you hear the most.

The best thing to do is to ignore it, anyone trying to counter it will just prolong the war of words.

its amazing how they judge people for being gay, but in the bible it claims only god can judge man/woman.

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;35542381]Oh, thank you very much. I will end the relationship with the man I love and who makes me feel the best I felt all my life for most of the year, now... I will end the love which I found to bring the actual joy to my life, I will end the dreams that brighten any shadows of life that appeared since I am with him... I will end the endless source of inspiration in everyday life, as well as in my work and my humble artistic attempts, as well as one of the only real motivations I ever encountered in my life... I will end the thing I would cite as one of the main reasons for why I really want to live... ... just to placate your perverse and completely wrong urge to influence others to fit [I]your[/I] picture of the good world. Your little minds, driven by fear and angst, unable or unwilling to comprehend both the pointlessness and at the same time cruelty of your requests completely disgust me. Your completely wrong and inexcusable feel of entitlement and will over others are literally something out of centuries back. I hate to share this world and this age with you, and hope I will have to interfere with people like you as little as possible.[/QUOTE] u should end ur life and ruin it becaues my book said so!ooooo!!!!!!!!!! loook at me guys look at meeee!!! LOOOK AT ME OR ILL KILL MYSELF seriously, fuck those guys. Gay is for life.

[QUOTE=J!NX;35542660]u should end ur life and ruin it becaues my book said so!ooooo!!!!!!!!!! loook at me guys look at meeee!!! LOOOK AT ME OR ILL KILL MYSELF seriously, fuck those guys. Gay is for life.[/QUOTE] Thing is that's just one interpretation. The actually intelligent Christians sorta admit that the book can't be taken literally and should be taken with moderation and bit of your own thinking. I am sorta playing the devil's advocate here, but although I don't call myself a christian, I don't like people blaming religion on it's own for this. This is specific cases of people who twist and misuse the message long vain and unimportant to the whole picture to siphon through their hatred and confusion with the world. I will never bow down and say I will change myself because the god wants it - not because I would believe there is no god, because that's irrelevant. I wouldn't do it because no good god would ever ask for such a thing. Ever there is a truly omniscient and ever-loving god who sees me and shares my joy on this world or there is cruel depraved devil who built this universe into suffering and cruelty, and I won't bow down to him even if my suffering for it had to be eternal.

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;35542822]Thing is that's just one interpretation. The actually intelligent Christians sorta admit that the book can't be taken literally and should be taken with moderation and bit of your own thinking.[/QUOTE] Intelligent people never think or say everything in a literal sense, and actually know what a "Second meaning" means. When you get a Christian that can actually understand that, it shows that they're pretty smart.

To be blunt, any therapy that claims to cure homosexuality should be banned, or at the very least it's complete lack of effectiveness shouted to the world such that no person remains in doubt about it. Scientifically proven not to work, at best merely confuses a person and at worst is nothing short of abuse. If they can somehow scientifically prove it can work, then I and the world's psychologists, biologists and other scientists; LGBT people and human rights activists will be extremely interested in seeing the evidence.

"There's only two things I hate in this world. People who are intolerant of other people's cultures and the Dutch." Except this case anti-gay Christians.

They won't be appearing on London Buses, they've just been banned by the transport chiefs. [URL]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-17693947[/URL]

I'm genuinely curious as to how many people would "change" sexuality with these ads. What was their plan? A gay person will see a bus ad while walking down the sidewalk, think about it for a second, and all the sudden be into chicks? [editline]12th April 2012[/editline] "into" chicks.

I do find it amusing that this very same thread but with Atheist bus ad's saying that "Your god isn't real" had a phenomenal amount of winner ratings. Stop putting silly ad's on buses and stop being hypocrites.

[QUOTE=Thom12255;35543663]I do find it amusing that this very same thread but with Atheist bus ad's saying that "Your god isn't real" had a phenomenal amount of winner ratings. Stop putting silly ad's on buses and stop being hypocrites.[/QUOTE] uh. I don't remember that particular thread. But typically atheist threads (in which an atheist individual or group) does ANYTHING it's filled with people saying they shouldn't do it because only religious groups should have a monopoly on the public square. That said there is a pretty big difference between criticising someones religious beliefs and criticising someones sexuality. Hint: One of them is actually dangerous.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;35543734]uh. I don't remember that particular thread. But typically atheist threads (in which an atheist individual or group) does ANYTHING it's filled with people saying they shouldn't do it because only religious groups should have a monopoly on the public square. That said there is a pretty big difference between criticising someones religious beliefs and criticising someones sexuality. Hint: One of them is actually dangerous.[/QUOTE] Too bad, I'm pretty sure there were 2-3 threads on the same event a while back. I also find it hard to believe that a typical religious ad in public asking you to join a church or read a holy book is insulting to atheists. On the otherhand, atheists going around putting anti-religion ads saying "God doesn't exist" on buses is a righteous cause when it primarily is used to simply insult religious people. So it's fine and dandy to say your religious beliefs are wrong and backward. This 'anti-gay' ad is idiotic as all it is attempting to do is hurt someone - not even attempting to convert or anything, just saying that your a fag and should stop it. For the record I think these ad's on both sides are good for nothing but causing hurt and controversy - but the hypocrisy in this news section can be overwhelming at times. [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bf/Atheist_Bus_Campaign_Citaro.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;35542381]Oh, thank you very much. I will end the relationship with the man I love and who makes me feel the best I felt all my life for most of the year, now... I will end the love which I found to bring the actual joy to my life, I will end the dreams that brighten any shadows of life that appeared since I am with him... I will end the endless source of inspiration in everyday life, as well as in my work and my humble artistic attempts, as well as one of the only real motivations I ever encountered in my life... I will end the thing I would cite as one of the main reasons for why I really want to live... ... just to placate your perverse and completely wrong urge to influence others to fit [I]your[/I] picture of the good world. Your little minds, driven by fear and angst, unable or unwilling to comprehend both the pointlessness and at the same time cruelty of your requests completely disgust me. Your absolutely wrong and inexcusable feel of entitlement and will over others are literally something out of centuries back. I hate to share this world and this age with you, and hope I will have to interfere with people like you as little as possible.[/QUOTE] No happiness allowed

[QUOTE=Thom12255;35543877]Too bad, I'm pretty sure there were 2-3 threads on the same event a while back. I also find it hard to believe that a typical religious ad in public asking you to join a church or read a holy book is insulting to atheists. On the otherhand, atheists going around putting anti-religion ads saying "God doesn't exist" on buses is a righteous cause when it primarily is used to simply insult religious people. So it's fine and dandy to say your religious beliefs are wrong and backward. This 'anti-gay' ad is idiotic as all it is attempting to do is hurt someone - not even attempting to convert or anything, just saying that your a fag and should stop it. For the record I think these ad's on both sides are good for nothing but causing hurt and controversy - but the hypocrisy in this news section can be overwhelming at times.[/QUOTE] Specifically the bus ads said "God is probably not real", which was actually changed from the original wording of "God is most certainly not real" (which is far more accurate but hey). That said though there are ads that sometimes feature things saying "God doesn't exist" or making (perfectly reasonably) comparisons between the Christian/Jewish God and any number of historical gods man has worshiped over thousands of years. That said, if you are being insulted by an ad that says "God isn't real", all that really shows is an extreme lack of faith behind your reasoning. It's not at all comparable to the ads of far-right religious zealots run saying homosexuality doesn't exist and it's just through our weakness and "sin" that we we choose these horrible lifestyles. It's a false equivalency, and one that is all too common in this section. I dunno where you see the widespread support of atheism but really just look back on any recent threads and you will see tons of people saying that ANYTHING an atheist does is apparently insulting to religion, and that "good atheists" are ones that just keep their mouths shut and let organized religion run the public square of ideas and concepts. This is pretty off topic though.

Atheists are right, religion brings nothing but trouble.

[QUOTE=Microcosm;35544028]Atheists are right, religion brings nothing but trouble.[/QUOTE] I disagree with the idea that religion brings nothing but trouble, but it sure as shit is an excellent vehicle for all kinds of mischief. Organized religion, I think, would be a lot less popular of people just realized they were spiritual rather than Christian, or Jewish, or Muslim. It's already like that for the most part, with more and more of the Bible/Torah being thrown away by increasingly moderate groups. I've got no problem with religious people as long as they follow the same levels of humanity that I expect of everyone else. I don't even really mind evangelism. It's when people want to challenge basic human rights and freedoms do I stand up and say I'm against their cause.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;35544005]That said, if you are being insulted by an ad that says "God isn't real", all that really shows is an extreme lack of faith behind your reasoning. It's not at all comparable to the ads of far-right religious zealots run saying homosexuality doesn't exist and it's just through our weakness and "sin" that we we choose these horrible lifestyles.[/QUOTE] I'm insulted that people think they should spend their time doing stuff like that to specifically anger another group of people while achieving nothing for themselves. It's the exact same as these ad's. By your logic if a gay person is insulted by this ad then they must be faking being gay deep down.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;35544005]Specifically the bus ads said "God is probably not real", which was actually changed from the original wording of "God is most certainly not real" (which is far more accurate but hey). That said though there are ads that sometimes feature things saying "God doesn't exist" or making (perfectly reasonably) comparisons between the Christian/Jewish God and any number of historical gods man has worshiped over thousands of years. That said, if you are being insulted by an ad that says "God isn't real", all that really shows is an extreme lack of faith behind your reasoning. It's not at all comparable to the ads of far-right religious zealots run saying homosexuality doesn't exist and it's just through our weakness and "sin" that we we choose these horrible lifestyles. It's a false equivalency, and one that is all too common in this section. I dunno where you see the widespread support of atheism but really just look back on any recent threads and you will see tons of people saying that ANYTHING an atheist does is apparently insulting to religion, and that "good atheists" are ones that just keep their mouths shut and let organized religion run the public square of ideas and concepts. This is pretty off topic though.[/QUOTE] Oh for fucks sales. I am so fucking sick of people like you who are in every slightly religious who always act like atheists are the best thing ever and religious people are fucktards. I'm an atheist too, but come on man, let them practice their religions in peace. Only 1/100 or so are extremists that force it on you like these guys. But really, you're no better.

[QUOTE=Thom12255;35544082]I'm insulted that people think they should spend their time doing stuff like that to specifically anger another group of people while achieving nothing for themselves. It's the exact same as these ad's. By your logic if a gay person is insulted by this ad then they must be faking being gay deep down.[/QUOTE] Neither ad is meant to specifically anger people, it's just the way they are generally reacted to. The thing is, you can change someones religious ideology (or try to atleast) and result in no real negative side effects other then, ironically, the social pressure of not following that specific ideology. Encouraging someone to ponder the idea that God is (probably) not real is a lot more tolerant then telling a gay person that they are actually straight and just choosing to be gay. Encouraging the repression of emotional and sexual feelings is incredibly damaging to a persons psyche. [editline]12th April 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Ericson666;35544148]Oh for fucks sales. I am so fucking sick of people like you who are in every slightly religious (or somehow this one) who always act like atheists are the best thing ever and religious people are fucktards. I'm an atheist too, but come on man, let them practice their religions in peace. Only 1/100 or so are extremists that force it on you like these guys. But really, you're no better.[/QUOTE] Yes, you can truly tell how intolerant I am of religious people with this post I made 3 minutes before yours. [QUOTE=me two posts above you]I've got no problem with religious people as long as they follow the same levels of humanity that I expect of everyone else. I don't even really mind evangelism. It's when people want to challenge basic human rights and freedoms do I stand up and say I'm against their cause. [/QUOTE] I specifically say they can let them practice their religions in peace by publicly evangelizing and promoting them. But I also support the same for atheists, and saying atheism shouldn't be promoted because it might hurt some peoples feelings is wrong. Freedom isn't something you can cut corners on. It's everything or nothing. If Christians are allowed to build oppulant palaces of worship, receive tax-breaks from the government, massively promote their beliefs across a wide spectrum of media, and get away with some of the worst bigotry imaginable then I think atheist groups are allowed the right to put up a billboard or two stating the quite quantifiable belief that God probably doesn't exist. It's not about my belief or their belief, it's about freedom of speech. And this idea that because organized religion reached the soapbox first means atheism doesn't get a chance to speak is just wrong. [editline]12th April 2012[/editline] If the bus ads in question said something like "God is real, here is why" and just in general promote Christianity I'd have no problem because this is constantly happening. Instead these ads are explicitly promoting bigotry. That's where I draw the line. It would be hypocritical if I said the former ads weren't allowed but similar atheists ads were but I'm not. These ignorant people are using religion as a vehicle for their hate, and it's important to separate extremist Christian groups with the moderate ones.

Just run up with a rattlecan and cover up "Not" and "Ex" and suddenly things improve 500%

So atheists urging doubters to seek help by being insulting is okay with FP but religious people urging doubters to seek help by being insulting is not okay. I'm sorry, what? Am I missing something?

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;35545113]So atheists urging doubters to seek help by being insulting is okay with FP but religious people urging doubters to seek help by being insulting is not okay. I'm sorry, what?[/QUOTE] First off no one actually said that so I'll repeat you and say sorry what? Secondly FP isn't a hivemind, which is made perfectly clear when people create false equivalencies (like you just did) every time atheism does anything that isn't keeping it's mouth shut and sitting in the corner like a good ideology.

Is there a reason particular beliefs cannot be criticized or am I missing something? Also last I read this thread was not about atheism. Last question: When did atheism become synonymous with gay rights, So what if it doesn't directly correlate with what you believe it must mean they think there is no god? I just don't follow this logic.

[QUOTE=Ermac20;35542498]can ignorant fucks just get over peoples choice of sexuality already? its part of todays society i mean god damn.[/QUOTE] Yeah but it's not a choice for most people.

[QUOTE=XxThreedogxX;35545433]Is there a reason particular beliefs cannot be criticized or am I missing something?com Also last I read this thread was not about atheism. Last question: When did atheism bee synonymous with gay rights, So what if it doesn't directly correlate with what you believe it must mean they think there is no god? I just don't follow this logic.[/QUOTE] There are very, very few atheists that justify anti-homosexual thoughts and behavior with a book dictated thousands of years ago by a magical sky king. If there are any that are anti-homosexual it's just because of personal beliefs and they're probably not going to pester gays to change because it's really none of their business. On the other hand, there are many, many Christians and other religious folk that justify anti-homosexual thoughts and behaviors with such a book, to the point where it can be a very serious problem. When my dad figured out that he was bisexual his parents forced him through "treatment" involving testosterone shots and basically brainwashing sessions with a psychiatrist (against his will, mind you, since he was under 18). Now, he's beginning to reap the benefits - doctors believe the hormone overload may have caused some glandular issues that resulted in surgery, he's got irreversible brain damage causing seizure disorder, paranoia, and dementia, and he was so confused and shocked about his sexuality that he had to hide it for his whole life. If my mom hadn't begged him day and night for a kid, I would have never existed. Now, I'm facing the same problems. Thankfully I'm over 18 so nothing can be forced on me, but since I'm a college student I rely on my parents for money, and they've threatened to cut me off if I don't try to "fix" myself. So, because of some misguided belief that gay thoughts are the devil's work, our family might break up entirely and I'll have to lose out on a much-needed college education, as I don't have a full-time job. That is why atheists tend to be for gay rights. There is [i]nothing[/i] wrong with homosexuality, and religion twists it into a perverted menace to society, which causes much more harm than good.

these guys can afford very nice graphic artists...

post-gay is my favorite music genre

Why don't people just stop putting up retard ads that never change anyone's opinion and only piss people off?

[QUOTE=Snowmew;35545863]There are very, very few atheists that justify anti-homosexual thoughts and behavior with a book dictated thousands of years ago by a magical sky king. If there are any that are anti-homosexual it's just because of personal beliefs and they're probably not going to pester gays to change because it's really none of their business. On the other hand, there are many, many Christians and other religious folk that justify anti-homosexual thoughts and behaviors with such a book, to the point where it can be a very serious problem. When my dad figured out that he was bisexual his parents forced him through "treatment" involving testosterone shots and basically brainwashing sessions with a psychiatrist (against his will, mind you, since he was under 18). Now, he's beginning to reap the benefits - doctors believe the hormone overload may have caused some glandular issues that resulted in surgery, he's got irreversible brain damage causing seizure disorder, paranoia, and dementia, and he was so confused and shocked about his sexuality that he had to hide it for his whole life. If my mom hadn't begged him day and night for a kid, I would have never existed. Now, I'm facing the same problems. Thankfully I'm over 18 so nothing can be forced on me, but since I'm a college student I rely on my parents for money, and they've threatened to cut me off if I don't try to "fix" myself. So, because of some misguided belief that gay thoughts are the devil's work, our family might break up entirely and I'll have to lose out on a much-needed college education, as I don't have a full-time job. That is why atheists tend to be for gay rights. There is [i]nothing[/i] wrong with homosexuality, and religion twists it into a perverted menace to society, which causes much more harm than good.[/QUOTE] I seem to have a very different experience than yours. I have known plenty of atheists (one of them was a good friend of mine, unfortunately) who hated gays for dumb reasons not worth mentioning and openly expressed their contempt for them. So no, they didn't justify it with religious text, but that doesn't make it any less aggravating. Yes there are far too many mouthpieces of Christianity that wrongfully warps homosexuality as some evil agenda, but statements like "very, very few" atheists and "many, many Christians" are just outright oversimplifications to be honest. For what little it's worth, I'm religious and don't discriminate against sexual preferences.