0x10c (Minecraft in Space) to be Monthly Subscription Based - Polidicks

I think if Peter Molyneux, Todd Howard, and John Romero fused together and said they would create a game that was like a combination of Just Cause 2, Borderlands, and Fallout 3, not only to fail, but in fact release the game with nothing in the box but a springboard trap of herpes infected spiders, then maybe they would almost be as hated as Notch.

[QUOTE=Mingebox;38659531]I think if Peter Molyneux, Todd Howard, and John Romero fused together and said they would create a game that was like a combination of Just Cause 2, Borderlands, and Fallout 3, not only to fail, but in fact release the game with nothing in the box but a springboard trap of herpes infected spiders, then maybe they would almost be as hated as Notch.[/QUOTE] Yep. The second he started making money, holy shit that ego.

I am fine with paying for a game, I have absolutely no problems with that. I, however, am not willing to buy any more subscription based MMO's. I mean, look at my track record. Sims Online, Auto Assault, Hellgate London, Age of Conan, APB, Star Wars. It is unbearable :P

[QUOTE=zombays;38659734]Yep. The second he started making money, holy shit that ego.[/QUOTE] Notch isn't egotistical, just very, very egocentric.

[QUOTE=Mingebox;38659757]Notch isn't egotistical, just very, very egocentric.[/QUOTE] Definition for egotistical: Web definitions: egotistic: characteristic of those having an inflated idea of their own importance. Semantics.

[QUOTE=Noss;38653757]It seems that you either have to hate Notch as much as Hitler, or suck his dick until it bleeds. Its not like you could, you know, reserve judgement until you see proper gameplay footage. [editline]30th November 2012[/editline] Despite the fact that he's a millionaire, Mojang is still a company, and must operate at a profit.[/QUOTE] I'm not willing to pay a subscription fee for anything no matter how good it looks, personally. A lot of people have that mindset which is why the subscription fee system is disappearing.

[QUOTE=FamousCra;38659755]I am fine with paying for a game, I have absolutely no problems with that. I, however, am not willing to buy any more subscription based MMO's. I mean, look at my track record. Sims Online, Auto Assault, Hellgate London, Age of Conan, APB, Star Wars. It is unbearable :P[/QUOTE] The bad thing about subscription fees is that you feel bad when your not playing that game your constantly paying for. You can't just put the game down and go enjoy any other games and when you try you always have that in the back of your mind of "I am wasting money playing this game, I need to go play my game that I am basically paying rent for."

Yeah, I'm definitely not paying a monthly subscription for any Mojang products. Besides, if it's anything like Minecraft, I'll be wasting my money for 6 month periods while I wait for all the mods to be fixed after the updates break them.

I don't want to have to pay a sub fee for this, so I am a little more than bummed right now. [editline]30th November 2012[/editline] [quote=The Article] So it's interesting to note that in a recent interview he discusses giving 0x10c a sort of shared living space in an MMO style as well as mentioning that the game [u][i][b]may very well[/b][/i][/u] charge players a regular subscription fee. [/quote] Well, maybe if enough people tell him its a bad idea, he may reconsider.

[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;38660810]Besides, if it's anything like Minecraft, I'll be wasting my money for 6 month periods while I wait for all the mods to be fixed after the updates break them.[/QUOTE] Since this would be Mojang server based (hence the monthly fees, since if it was singleplayer only, no one would pay them), there probably won't be any major mods for it.

[QUOTE=Silentfood;38656353][url=http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/11/29/notch-mega-interview-0x10c-micropayments-kickstarter-and-quantum-computing/2/]Source[/url] Just ask for it, that's all.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=article][B]What’s next then? Are there any other big technological leaps coming that you think will change the way we play games or even just change the way we exist?[/B] Yes. I think once quantum computing takes off a lot of interesting things are probably going to happen. [B]Like what?[/B] It’s a Pandora’s Box. We don’t know yet. But first of all, all internet security is going to fail. [B]Because passwords will be brute-forced instantly?[/B] Because you can factorise numbers in polynomial time, basically. All of encryption is built on that so everything on the internet will fail instantly. [I]So as soon as we get a quantum computer with enough cubits to do that it’s going to happen. There’s probably one already somewhere.[/I] That’s going to be very interesting. There are other potential ways to do encryption but the one we’re using is broken by quantum computers.[/QUOTE] Give it up for Notch the genius, apparently there are quantum computers even though they can't get qubits to reliably exist for more than a fraction of a second

[QUOTE=rinoaff33;38660451]Definition for egotistical: Web definitions: egotistic: characteristic of those having an inflated idea of their own importance. Your attempt at pointless semantics fails.[/QUOTE] Yeah, thanks. I know what egotistical means, hence why I made the distinction.

[QUOTE=The golden;38656972]You know of Minecraft, yeah? That cube based indie game made in Java that has no artstyle and is still full of half-completed features and runs like shit? This is what Minecraft got Notch, among other things: [url]http://kotaku.com/5948142/you-wont-believe-how-nice-notchs-office-is[/url] Now considering that the release of 0x10c will bring in holyshitfuck tons of money off of the initial sale, I find it very hard to believe that he actually *needs* money to run a server. Notch literally became a overnight millionaire. He doesn't pay employees, he doesn't need to worry about keeping the lights on in the office, he doesn't have to worry about feeding a family of hungry mouths. [B]He made a game which is pretty much something your average college student makes for their programming(or whatever) project and then slapped a $20 pricetag on it and buggered off for vacation on a awesome cruise.[/B] I'll start believing this man needs money when he actually acts like it.[/QUOTE]I'll start admitting your posts make sense when you just admit you're clearly a sad, miserable person who is jealous of other peoples success. Seriously, have an ounce of dignity and self-esteem. (Goes double for Zephyrs)

This is going to flop if Notch doesn't shove something related to Minecraft into it for marketing value.

[QUOTE=Forumaster;38657103]Let's toss some statistics here: [url]http://minecraft.net/stats[/url] Minecraft has sold 8,186,705 copies. Let's just say every copy sold at the Alpha price, which was $17 IIRC. That means $139,173,985. Now imagine that Mojang ran a superserver for Minecraft. Do you really think they couldn't afford to run it out of that?[/QUOTE] Do you know how companies even work? They're supposed to bring profit, not just give away the money. Yes, Notch may be a dumbass, but god damn, if Mojang earned that 100mil, why shouldn't they use it for whatever they want? They're a company, not your slave. If you really think like that, you probably should think that Apple should give out iPhones for free, because hey, they already earned money before!

[QUOTE=Mingebox;38659531]I think if Peter Molyneux, Todd Howard, and John Romero fused together and said they would create a game that was like a combination of Just Cause 2, Borderlands, and Fallout 3, not only to fail, but in fact release the game with nothing in the box but a springboard trap of herpes infected spiders, then maybe they would almost be as hated as Notch.[/QUOTE] Nah, When you're an indie developer who makes it big you can get away with all sorts of shit and quite a few people will still recognize you only as "The Guy Who Made X". Notch has enogh of those people supporting him to make up for the people who became disgusted with all the other things he's done. Now if you try to do the crap Notch does BEFORE you become "The Guy Who Made X", then you're in trouble. Such is the case with Phil Fish, who thought he'd become "The Guy Who Made Fez", but instead became "The Guy who Acted Like a Giant Egotistical Douchebag to Absolutely Everyone". Romero and Molyneux are not really known for any one thing by anybody who knows who they are, but rather are known for fucking up somewhere along the line and never recovering. Todd Howard really only seems to get singled out from the rest of Bethesda by people who know him for his many unfulfilled promises and gross exaggerations. In all three cases I wouldn't say they're universally hated, but they don't have that kind of title that Notch has to fall back on. Romero's not "The Guy Who Made Doom", Carmack is. Molyneux isn't "The Guy Who Made Black & White", he's "The Guy Who Made Lots of Stuff That Isn't Worth Mentioning". Todd Howard isn't "The Guy Who Made Skyrim", He's "The Slightly Familiar Guy From The Company That Made Skyrim". My point is that Notch isn't as unpopular as he might look. The thing is that most of the people who still like him have already said everything they can say: "he's 'The Guy Who Made Minecraft'". So the ever-expanding list of other things Notch has done is mostly discussed by people who have come to hate him.

[QUOTE=Aredbomb;38662845]Nah, When you're an indie developer who makes it big you can get away with all sorts of shit and quite a few people will still recognize you only as "The Guy Who Made X". Notch has enogh of those people supporting him to make up for the people who became disgusted with all the other things he's done. Now if you try to do the crap Notch does BEFORE you become "The Guy Who Made X", then you're in trouble. Such is the case with Phil Fish, who thought he'd become "The Guy Who Made Fez", but instead became "The Guy who Acted Like a Giant Egotistical Douchebag to Absolutely Everyone". Romero and Molyneux are not really known for any one thing by anybody who knows who they are, but rather are known for fucking up somewhere along the line and never recovering. Todd Howard really only seems to get singled out from the rest of Bethesda by people who know him for his many unfulfilled promises and gross exaggerations. In all three cases I wouldn't say they're universally hated, but they don't have that kind of title that Notch has to fall back on. Romero's not "The Guy Who Made Doom", Carmack is. Molyneux isn't "The Guy Who Made Black & White", he's "The Guy Who Made Lots of Stuff That Isn't Worth Mentioning". Todd Howard isn't "The Guy Who Made Skyrim", He's "The Slightly Familiar Guy From The Company That Made Skyrim". My point is that Notch isn't as unpopular as he might look. The thing is that most of the people who still like him have already said everything they can say: "he's 'The Guy Who Made Minecraft'". So the ever-expanding list of other things Notch has done is mostly discussed by people who have come to hate him.[/QUOTE]Except Notch is actually a nice person with an uplifting positive personality and you guys still haven't given any legitimate reason as to why you hate him so much, other than the fact that he's made a lot of money.

[QUOTE=Ybbats;38662856]Except Notch is actually a nice person with an uplifting positive personality and you guys still haven't given any legitimate reason as to why you hate him so much, other than the fact that he's made a lot of money.[/QUOTE] Welcome to Facepunch, where people think that successful people should give everything away because they are successful.

I still haven't actually seen Notch ever act egostistical. And what the hell do you think [I]you'd[/I] do with your money if you got a shitload of it? And yes, the default zing-earning answer will be "put into making a better game". Look, I'm not defending him. If I can see that he's a douchebag, then he's a douchebag. I just haven't seen any evidence other than bandwagoning.

[QUOTE=Ybbats;38662856]Except Notch is actually a nice person with an uplifting positive personality and you guys still haven't given any legitimate reason as to why you hate him so much, other than the fact that he's made a lot of money.[/QUOTE] You do realize you're acting as a perfect example of what I'm talking about, right? Anyway if you want to know why people hate him you have to understand it's not because he was trying to be mean to anybody. It's more his obliviousness to the fact that when you make game development your profession, many people expect you to treat it like one. That means when you make promises to people who already paid you money, you keep them. And when you're taking a long time to do what you're promised, people expect it to be because you have a lot of work to do, not because you only feel like devoting so much time to it. Of course this is all a matter of perception, but the point is, Notch wasn't much more serious about Minecraft when it was his job than he was when it was his hobby. People can and will judge you because of that, especially if you have their money. Also, when you're acting this way and you make statements about the quality of other people's work (such as Windows 8) it kind of makes you look like a douchebag.

[QUOTE=Ybbats;38662856]Except Notch is actually a nice person with an uplifting positive personality and you guys still haven't given any legitimate reason as to why you hate him so much, other than the fact that he's made a lot of money.[/QUOTE] The money is completely irrelevant. Anyone who complains about the fact that he's reasonably wealthy has some strange priorities. He got lucky, or maybe he didn't, and now he's wealthy. Hat's off to him. A lot of people associate him with the stereotypical 12 year old Minecraft fanbase, which is mostly unreasonable rubbish as well. He doesn't necessarily have anything more to do with that then the 13 year olds screaming in Garry's mod or any other game. The fact of the matter is that he's repeatedly tried to back out of contracts, and he's never gotten around to implementing promised features, or took forever to implement other ones. He didn't consult legal advice, and took ages to get any form of PR management, and the results bit him in the ass hard.

It's been a long time, if not years since I've played, what exactly did he promise? And I mean really promise, not just speculating on things he wants to do.

There's tons of little details, but the big one, in my opinion, is when he tried to change the wording of the contract that people agreed to when he first started selling the title. The general gist of it was that you would get all future updates for the game for free. The contract had no clauses allowing it to be amended, and was wonderfully simple. It looked every bit like someone who actually cared about creating something was at the helm. Then he tried to change that. He talked about wanting to add paid DLC. And then there was a shitstorm. Even now, the license you get new accounts under is significantly different than the one that the early adopters got, and has far fewer rights associated with it.

Wasn't the thing about all future content for preorders always just for preorders? I forget. I will agree Notch isn't cut out for full time proper game development though, and in general is pretty clueless. But what bugs me is how people's opinion of the game seems to change retroactively.

[QUOTE=Mingebox;38665228]Wasn't the thing about all future content for preorders always just for preorders? I forget.[/QUOTE] There is [I]nothing[/I] wrong with that, but that's not what Notch wanted. It's what he was forced to do. He has every right to change the contract new accounts are created under on an hourly basis if that floats his boat. As long as it doesn't violate law in some fashion, there is nothing stopping him from doing it. Hell, he could change the contract of existing accounts on an hourly basis if he wanted to [B]provided that the contracts had the clauses allowing him to do so[/B] That's the point. The early contracts didn't have that clause. He tried to change them anyways. That flies in the face of every consumer protection law in existence, and he had the nerve to complain about it. EDIT: [QUOTE=Mingebox;38665228]I will agree Notch isn't cut out for full time proper game development though, and in general is pretty clueless. But what bugs me is how people's opinion of the game seems to change retroactively.[/QUOTE] I personally preferred minecraft before it became so much of an RPG, but that's entirely subjective/opinion based and really isn't relevant.

[QUOTE=Zephyrs;38665260] I personally preferred minecraft before it became so much of an RPG, but that's entirely subjective/opinion based and really isn't relevant.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I was hoping for something a little more Dwarf Fortress-esque with things like struggling to survive in harsh environments.

Wasnt he going to release the actual engine for people to mod for free, but he ended up not doing that because $$$.

[QUOTE=Aredbomb;38662979]You do realize you're acting as a perfect example of what I'm talking about, right? Anyway if you want to know why people hate him you have to understand it's not because he was trying to be mean to anybody. It's more his obliviousness to the fact that when you make game development your profession, many people expect you to treat it like one. That means when you make promises to people who already paid you money, you keep them. And when you're taking a long time to do what you're promised, people expect it to be because you have a lot of work to do, not because you only feel like devoting so much time to it. Of course this is all a matter of perception, but the point is, Notch wasn't much more serious about Minecraft when it was his job than he was when it was his hobby. People can and will judge you because of that, especially if you have their money. Also, when you're acting this way and you make statements about the quality of other people's work (such as Windows 8) it kind of makes you look like a douchebag.[/QUOTE] This, a million times this. He never really cared that the game, at any stage, wasn't even near completion, he just added a feature after an unnecessary break, then took more time off. He rarely put in any real effort into it, and then eventually passed the work on to one of the people he hired. This went on for what, two years? We saw the transition from alpha to beta, without any real changes, and then beta to release. Each of these saw a doubling in the cost of the game. When it was 'finished', he essentially abandoned it. The game wasn't even close to being done, so many promises of content, especially for those who bought early (Yeah yeah, I'm bringing out more game modes, also, zombie defence etc). No, he added this horrible endgame including a boss that, no joke, took over a year to even have sounds. It took until earlier this year for any actual challenging enemies for the adventure mode to be added. And all it really was were large sword wielding skeletons and a sorta buggy boss. Anyone remember prefix mobs? Yeah, Notch doesn't either.

[QUOTE=Bobie;38653452]i thought this was a well known fact to anyone following the game[/QUOTE] I, for one, have not been following this at all.

[QUOTE=codemaster85;38666089]Wasnt he going to release the actual engine for people to mod for free, but he ended up not doing that because $$$.[/QUOTE] Yes and No. The one point Notch did talk about a modding API he wanted to charge money for it. Nobody else wanted that, and from that point Notch never spoke of the subject again. Now that Notch has left Minecraft development, Mojang is actually trying to make a modding API again, and this time not bothering to try and make money off of it. Problem is Minecraft's code is such a mess that they can't make a modding API without cleaning it up first.