2nd Amendment Does Not Guarantee Right to Carry Concealed Guns, Federal Court Rules - Polidicks

You're going to be killed over your wallet armed or unarmed.

[QUOTE=evilweazel;50530089]You assume the worst when someone is trying to do you harm. There's no reason to hope the robber is just a down on his luck individual who doesn't really want to hurt you, true or no. Bad shit happens. If you didn't know, he's referencing a fairly infamous event: [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hi-Fi_murders[/url] I'm never going to be optimistic about what a criminal wants to do with me. Never. And, I've always valued my property and money over the people who are trying to unjustly take it from me, so, yeah. I work my ass off for my money and my things, I see very little value in anyone who thinks they deserve to take them from me.[/QUOTE] I've been stabbed over a few cigarettes. It's not worth it.

[QUOTE=OvB;50529380]LTC classes make the point that using a gun in self defense should be an absolute last resort in a life or death situation. If you can run, you should run. [B]A License to Carry is not a license to kill.[/B][/QUOTE] too bad this is exactly the opposite of the position of most gun proponents in politics or the news. If that were the case, then people wouldn't be carrying ar-15s into mc-fucking-donalds to make a statement about how they think they need to be able to kill in an instant hell, stand your ground literally is the opposite of what those classes supposedly teach

[QUOTE=Sableye;50530320]too bad this is exactly the opposite of the position of most gun proponents in politics or the news. If that were the case, then people wouldn't be carrying ar-15s into mc-fucking-donalds to make a statement about how they think they need to be able to kill in an instant hell, stand your ground literally is the opposite of what those classes supposedly teach[/QUOTE] yeah because those people are the "most gun proponents"? You said it yourself, in your own words, [QUOTE]in politics or the news[/QUOTE], so right away, you're taking a sensationalized set of info, and sensationalizing it more by conflating that to be most people? Most people probably don't support the idea that concealed carry is a licence to kill.

[QUOTE=Sableye;50530320]too bad this is exactly the opposite of the position of most gun proponents in politics or the news. If that were the case, then people wouldn't be carrying ar-15s into mc-fucking-donalds to make a statement about how they think they need to be able to kill in an instant[/QUOTE] "The news"; just like how BLM is full of complete twats if you just go by the news. It's almost like normal people not making a ruckus aren't news worthy. [editline]16th June 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Sableye;50530320]hell, stand your ground literally is the opposite of what those classes supposedly teach[/QUOTE] Well, when you go by this: [QUOTE=OvB;50529532]This encounter does not always present a situation where using a concealed weapon to defend yourself is lawful. You may end up in jail, or in crushing legal debt if you blast that mugger. Every use of force to defend yourself is going to come down to a stream of legal gymnastics, and a flow chart of the situation that determines whether or not the situation warrants it.[/QUOTE] Laws like stand your ground make sense. A law abiding citizen shouldn't have to weigh potentially losing their life to a criminal versus losing their life to the legal system for defending themselves. A person committing a violent crime, or purporting the threat of violence--e.g. mugging someone--should legally be, during the commision of that violence or purported violence, forfeiting their life should the victim--or a bystander--take action in the defense of the victim. No one should be expected to play 20 questions in a potentially life or death situation, when the criminal can just shoot (or stab, or punch) and be done with it.

[QUOTE=Sableye;50530320]too bad this is exactly the opposite of the position of most gun proponents in politics or the news. If that were the case, then people wouldn't be carrying ar-15s into mc-fucking-donalds to make a statement about how they think they need to be able to kill in an instant hell, stand your ground literally is the opposite of what those classes supposedly teach[/QUOTE] In some states you don't require any kind of permit to open carry long rifles. Sometimes it's down to county level. So for Texas anyway, you don't require an LTC to carry an AR-15 into McDonalds. However McDonalds probably prohibits open carry on their property. I'm in the general opinion that open carry makes you look like an obnoxious dick, and quite frankly a huge target. If any of those scenarios where you might actually need your gun in an actual shitstorm were to occur, who's going to be the first person the bank robbers or whoever target? The dude with the hand cannon strapped to his hip. [editline]15th June 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=DaMastez;50530382] Laws like stand your ground make sense. A law abiding citizen shouldn't have to weigh potentially losing their life to a criminal versus losing their life to the legal system for defending themselves. [/QUOTE] Even with laws like stand your ground, the burden of proof still lies on you. You have to prove beyond reasonable doubt that your actions were in defense and not murder. Then you end up with things like the Trayvon/Zimmerman case which were legal clusterfucks because there was very little evidence and a media shitstorm. If you lawfully defended yourself you're [I]still[/I] going to end up in court, you're [I]still[/I] getting your image potentially smeared, and you [I]still[/I] risk getting sued in a civil court by the victims family for damages. Literally the only good thing about having to use a gun to defend yourself is that you're not potentially dead. Then at the end of the day, you're still that "[I]guy down the road that killed someone that broke into their house or something."[/I] Which depending on local opinion and who you talk to, will make you either a hero or a villain.