[QUOTE=Swilly;51304450]Its not protected sex. You'd still need to wear a condom in the case of STIs.
[editline]3rd November 2016[/editline]
What the fuck are you all going on about, this doesn't stop STIs.[/QUOTE]
It's a thread about birth control not STI's.
[QUOTE=plunger435;51304460]It's a thread about birth control not STI's.[/QUOTE]
But you guys keep going on about unprotected sex.
[editline]3rd November 2016[/editline]
Unless you're aiming for kids you should wear a condom.
[QUOTE=Swilly;51304462]But you guys keep going on about unprotected sex.
[editline]3rd November 2016[/editline]
Unless you're aiming for kids you should wear a condom.[/QUOTE]
Honestly once you're in a long term relationship, why bother?
[QUOTE=Swilly;51304462]But you guys keep going on about unprotected sex.
[editline]3rd November 2016[/editline]
Unless you're aiming for kids you should wear a condom.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, definition of unprotected sex is you're not using anything to protect against pregnancies or STI's, it can be either.
If you take a male contraceptive and she takes her contraceptive it would be even more effective at birth control than just wearing a condom.
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;51304470]Condoms aren't for STI protection[/QUOTE]
They protect against some STIs, not all of them. Mainly the deadlier ones.
[QUOTE=Swilly;51304462]But you guys keep going on about unprotected sex.
[editline]3rd November 2016[/editline]
Unless you're aiming for kids you should wear a condom.[/QUOTE]
What about two people in a committed relationship who 100% definitely do not have any STIs?
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;51304470]Condoms aren't for STI protection[/QUOTE]
go back to 5th grade sex ed
[QUOTE=TacticalBacon;51304478]What about two people in a committed relationship who 100% definitely do not have any STIs?[/QUOTE]
There is never a 100% guarantee against STIs. They can still form on two healthy adults. Further we still have fairly terrible ways of detecting them.
[QUOTE=plunger435;51304440]Nobody is saying have unprotected sex? That's the entire point of a male contraceptive, to have protected sex without the need for a condom. Which part is confusing you?[/QUOTE]
I misunderstood your intention -- strictly speaking, if we're just talking about male contraception for protection against birth control, then yes I support the notion. I would not dismiss the risk of infection though.
My primary fear is people who would take these contraceptives as an alternative protection not only against pregnancy, but also infection.
[QUOTE=aznz888;51304497]I misunderstood your intention -- strictly speaking, if we're just talking about male contraception for protection against birth control, then yes I support the notion. I would not dismiss the risk of infection though.
[B]My primary fear is people who would take these contraceptives as an alternative protection not only against pregnancy, but also infection.[/B][/QUOTE]
That's only a problem if people aren't educated on what birth control is, not a fault of the drug.
[QUOTE=aznz888;51304497]I misunderstood your intention -- strictly speaking, if we're just talking about male contraception for protection against birth control, then yes I support the notion. I would not dismiss the risk of infection though.
My primary fear is people who would take these contraceptives as an alternative protection not only against pregnancy, but also infection.[/QUOTE]
They already do with women and young girls, one of the most common reasons someone thinks they don't have an STI(when in fact they do) is they think the pill protects them.
[QUOTE=Swilly;51304496]There is never a 100% guarantee against STIs. They can still form on two healthy adults. Further we still have fairly terrible ways of detecting them.[/QUOTE]
I'm not going to use a condom every time me and my fiance have sex.
That's just not going to happen. It doesn't have a purpose.
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;51304504]My post was about condoms, not abstinence.[/QUOTE]
I should take you to the Our Whole Lives program and have 4th graders school you on contraception.
[editline]3rd November 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51304508]I'm not going to use a condom every time me and my fiance have sex.
That's just not going to happen. It doesn't have a purpose.[/QUOTE]
[B]I don't give a shit what you or whoever do in bed.[/B] But risks should be god damn known. There's enough misinformation in this thread that I'm legitimately worried.
[QUOTE=plunger435;51304419]You need to actually read up on it because this couldn't be more wrong.[/QUOTE]
I mean he's not really progesterone and estrogen are the primary compounds in the pill, depo shot, and also used in IUD's like Mirena. What couldn't he be more wrong about?
[editline]4th November 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;51304504]My post was about condoms, not abstinence.[/QUOTE]
I know that, maybe I'm misreading you but you said "Condoms aren't for STI protection" which they in fact are?
[QUOTE=Swilly;51304511]I should take you to the Our Whole Lives program and have 4th graders school you on contraception.
[editline]3rd November 2016[/editline]
[B]I don't give a shit what you or whoever do in bed.[/B] But risks should be god damn known. There's enough misinformation in this thread that I'm legitimately worried.[/QUOTE]
So how high are the risks of two people without any history of STI who have both been tested by doctors, who've never cheated on each other having sex with each other and just creating the STI's you spoke of a few minutes ago? How high is that risk % wise?
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;51304515]I mean he's not really progesterone and estrogen are the primary compounds in the pill, depo shot, and also used in IUD's like Mirena. What couldn't he be more wrong about?
[editline]4th November 2016[/editline]
I know that maybe I'm misreading you but you said "Condoms aren't for STI protection" which they in fact are?[/QUOTE]
That the side effects of the pill are all natural, non-negative, and to be expected. Or that by just giving you the same hormone you produce is any way a given healthy thing to do.
[QUOTE=plunger435;51304419]You need to actually read up on it because this couldn't be more wrong.[/QUOTE]
1) I said for the most part, not "entirely". I'm aware of the other, nastier side effects but they are extremely rare.
2) I'm not wrong about the contents of hormonal contraceptive. It's estrogen and Progestogen. One is a hormone, one is a stereoidal hormone. Both are produced naturally in the body. While it's true that generally birth control uses synthetic versions of these, it's still something that's already present. Sometimes you can find Levonorgestrel which is a manufactured hormone, despite that it's still natural since it's just a reversed version of norgestrel which is a brand of Progestogen.
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;51304519]They protect against some, but they're better pregnancy preventers than STI defenders.
I wouldn't trust a thin layer of rubber to protect me against a disease[/QUOTE]
Well what other options do you have to prevent STI's than abstinence?
[editline]4th November 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=plunger435;51304522]That the side effects of the pill are all natural, non-negative, and to be expected. Or that by just giving you the same hormone you produce is any way a given healthy thing to do.[/QUOTE]
Yeah but you see that's how female birth control works so maybe you should read up on what you're claiming.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51304521]So how high are the risks of two people without any history of STI who have both been tested by doctors, who've never cheated on each other having sex with each other and just creating the STI's you spoke of a few minutes ago? How high is that risk % wise?[/QUOTE]
Eh, it comes down to cleanness. If you take care of yourself the chances aren't super significant especially if you're truly open with your partner.
Making sure your body's clean in all regions as well as practice in at least taking regular tests to see if you do have one is pretty much the only real deterrent next to condoms and those don't protect against public lice and such which can be spread easily without sexual contact.
The cleaner then environment and the partners, the smaller the chance.
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;51304519]They protect against some, but they're better pregnancy preventers than STI defenders.
I wouldn't trust a thin layer of rubber to protect me against a disease[/QUOTE]
Considering the more nasty forms of STI are spread via fluids, that pregnancy preventer does a better job than whatever you'll propose.
[QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;51304532]1) I said for the most part, not "entirely". I'm aware of the other, nastier side effects but they are extremely rare.
2) I'm not wrong about the contents of hormonal contraceptive. It's estrogen and Progestogen. One is a hormone, one is a stereoidal hormone. Both are produced naturally in the body. While it's true that generally birth control uses synthetic versions of these, it's still something that's already present. Sometimes you can find Levonorgestrel which is a manufactured hormone, despite that it's still natural since it's just a reversed version of norgestrel which is a brand of Progestogen.[/QUOTE]
About 40% of women experience the negative side effects of birth control during the first three to four months of use, and they certainly aren't comparable to.
[QUOTE]If male contraceptive induced a heavy desire to go camping, hunting, do carpentry, or get in fist-fights fishing as their symptoms/side effects, it would be expected/natural.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;51304541]If we play the long game, research a cure[/QUOTE]
Well yeah sure but you can't expect people to not have sex until every STD is eradicated, so condoms are the best choice for STD prevention in males currently.
[QUOTE=Swilly;51304540]Eh, it comes down to cleanness. If you take care of yourself the chances aren't super significant especially if you're truly open with your partner.
Making sure your body's clean in all regions as well as practice in at least taking regular tests to see if you do have one is pretty much the only real deterrent next to condoms and those don't protect against public lice and such which can be spread easily without sexual contact.
The cleaner then environment and the partners, the smaller the chance.[/QUOTE]
well like I said, it serves little purpose for me
being clean isn't really a difficulty in the first world, or shouldn't be.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51304553]well like I said, it serves little purpose for me
being clean isn't really a difficulty in the first world, or shouldn't be.[/QUOTE]
Like I said, I don't care if you guys fuck unprotected, but everyone going on about open partners and 100% knowing their STI free is not only misleading but dangerous.
[QUOTE=Swilly;51304557]Like I said, I don't care if you guys fuck unprotected, but [B]everyone going on about open partners [/B]and 100% knowing their STI free is not only misleading but dangerous.[/QUOTE]
Who's going on about that, quote someone besides HumanAbyss. If you really think you're partner is going to lie to you that badly, you have much bigger issues. If you're going to use condoms your entire life then that's your decision, but even doctors don't recommend that.
[QUOTE=Swilly;51304557]Like I said, I don't care if you guys fuck unprotected, but everyone going on about open partners and 100% knowing their STI free is not only misleading but dangerous.[/QUOTE]
I don't think it's dangerous if you're with a partner, if you have multiple partners obviously that changes. A couple who are only swaping fluids between each other aren't really going to be in the same danger as a group of swingers or a guy/gal who has lots of one night stands.
Those are vastly different scenarios that require a great deal more caution.
[QUOTE=plunger435;51304545]About 40% of women experience the negative side effects of birth control during the first three to four months of use, and they certainly aren't comparable to.[/QUOTE]
And by "negative side effect" do you mean hormonal mood swings that they'd normally get from their periods anyway or things like cancer, cardiovascular disease, and major blood clots?
Because there's no fucking way 40% of women experience those on birth control. If they did it would have never passed FDA standards.
[QUOTE=plunger435;51304563]Who's going on about that, quote someone besides HumanAbyss. If you really think you're partner is going to lie to you that badly, you have much bigger issues. If you're going to use condoms your entire life then that's your decision, but even doctors don't recommend that.[/QUOTE]
Actually read the shit I'm typing and don't just jump on one parts of phrases. I'm not talking about trust issues. I'm not talking about other shit. I'm talking about the fact that some diseases spread even with protection. They didn't just randomly fucking begin.
I'm not talking about multiple partners, I'm saying just keep in mind the god damn risks even if small. Holy shit. Disease is an opportunistic little shit, it takes one god damn opening.
[editline]3rd November 2016[/editline]
I'm going back to writing the novel so I don't get perma'd due to toxx.
[QUOTE=Swilly;51304585]Actually read the shit I'm typing and don't just jump on one parts of phrases. I'm not talking about trust issues. I'm not talking about other shit. I'm talking about the fact that these diseases spread even with protection. They didn't just randomly fucking begin.
I'm not talking about multiple partners, I'm saying just keep in mind the god damn risks even if small. Holy shit.[/QUOTE]
Do you think my partner is going to spontaneously grow a case of the gonorrhea? Can you list off all these STI's we're going to catch if we're both faithful.
[editline]4th November 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;51304577]And by "negative side effect" do you mean hormonal mood swings that they'd normally get from their periods anyway or things like cancer, cardiovascular disease, and major blood clots?
Because there's no fucking way 40% of women experience those on birth control. If they did it would have never passed FDA standards.[/QUOTE]
They wouldn't side effects if they were things that would happen anyways.
[QUOTE=plunger435;51304594]
They wouldn't side effects if they were things that would happen anyways.[/QUOTE]
Except it's to be expected.
It's not a side effect like "Well this pill cured your baldness but now your stools smell like motor oil and sometimes your pee is purple". It's a side effect like "Well normally when your body dumps these hormones en-masse during your period, you get mood swings and acne. We're doing the same thing."
It's like saying that a side effect of nailing two pieces of wood together is that they're attached.
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