We still don't have male birth control - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;51304613]Except it's to be expected. It's not a side effect like "Well this pill cured your baldness but now your stools smell like motor oil and sometimes your pee is purple". It's a side effect like "Well normally when your body dumps these hormones en-masse during your period, you get mood swings and acne. We're doing the same thing." It's like saying that a side effect of nailing two pieces of wood together is that they're attached.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;51304280]Honestly until they weed out 100% of the side effects, have the same 99.99% effectiveness rate as female hormonal birth control, have 0% chance of rendering the user sterile, and offer multiple delivery options, I'm not interested in taking it.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;51304392]Except that for the most part they're normal, natural, expected side effects of their periods. If male contraceptive induced a heavy desire to go camping, hunting, do carpentry, or [del]get in fist-fights[/del] fishing as their symptoms/side effects, it would be expected/natural.[/QUOTE] And what would your 'normal, natural, expected' side effects be for a male contraceptive then?

[QUOTE=plunger435;51304635]And what would your 'normal, natural, expected' side effects be for a male contraceptive then?[/QUOTE] Not the same ones for female contraceptive. Pretty sure I made that point abundantly clear and you're just being pedantic at this point. There wouldn't BE "normal, expected" side effects for male contraceptive, because men have no natural biological process to compare to periods. Our bodies do not dump hormones after puberty like women's bodies do. Our primary gender hormone, testosterone, rises and falls slowly over the course of a week depending on what we're doing, our sex lives, how often we masturbate, etc. We don't have a "time of the month", there's no period in which our testicles dumps a shitload of testosterone into the body, it just doesn't happen. We have no comparable biological process, so there cannot ever be "natural, expected" side effects for male contraceptives compared to female contraceptive. That's why I said a mechanical contraceptive would be a better option.

[QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;51304671]Not the same ones for female contraceptive. Pretty sure I made that point abundantly clear and you're just being pedantic at this point.[/QUOTE] No the point is that you apparently think the acceptable female contraceptive side effects are all mood swings, nausea, cramps. While the male contraceptive side effects are all fun times and the desire to do manly stuff, which will never be the case. At that point you're never going to be able to take it.

[QUOTE=plunger435;51304678]No the point is that you apparently think the acceptable female contraceptive side effects are all mood swings, nausea, cramps. While the male contraceptive side effects are all fun times and the desire to do manly stuff, which will never be the case. At that point you're never going to be able to take it.[/QUOTE] Read my updated post. And if you seriously couldn't pick out the 'camping etc' thing as being a joke you're insane. Seriously.

[QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;51304686]Read my updated post. And if you seriously couldn't pick out the 'camping etc' thing as being a joke you're insane. Seriously.[/QUOTE] Not the specific examples, but the idea that you won't take male contraceptive if there are any side effects, when we've just established and you've agreed that'll be the case.

[QUOTE=plunger435;51304695]Not the specific examples, but the idea that you won't take male contraceptive if there are any side effects, when we've just established and you've agreed that'll be the case.[/QUOTE] Put two and two together then. Are you being dense on purpose? I will not take male contraceptive until there is a side-effect free version. Which, [i]like I stated in my original post[/i] is most likely going to have to be a mechanical option, similar to non-hormonal IUDs. I could see some sort of copper implant working. Copper is a natural spermicide.

[QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;51304703]Put two and two together then. Are you being dense on purpose? I will not take male contraceptive until there is a side-effect free version. Which, [i]like I stated in my original post[/i] is most likely going to have to be a mechanical option, similar to non-hormonal IUDs. I could see some sort of copper implant working. Copper is a natural spermicide.[/QUOTE] Copper IUD's have side effects too, you might as well say you'll never use a male contraceptive at this point because there will always be side effects in any kind of medical procedure, drug, etc.

Can believe how much social media discussion there is about this. Especially from people who seem to think that it's absurd that it isn't proceeding - that this is somehow a sexist gesture. [QUOTE=InvaderNouga;51299955]What ever happened to using condoms[/QUOTE] Have you been in a relationship where you don't have to use them or be concerned about pregnancy? (Wanting a child/or with female BC) There's a reason for the investment in this sort of thing.

[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;51300430]Something the medical industry as a whole is trying to do, is to phase out needles with [url=http://www.sciencealert.com/this-dissolvable-patch-can-deliver-vaccines-without-needles]patches[/url]. I would take a patch any day.[/QUOTE] I work in the medical field and we have to get a couple yearly routine injections and tests. I used to hate needles but now it's just normal. It's kinda funny people hate needles. There not bad, people just focus on them to much.

[QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;51304613]Except it's to be expected. It's not a side effect like "Well this pill cured your baldness but now your stools smell like motor oil and sometimes your pee is purple". It's a side effect like "Well normally when your body dumps these hormones en-masse during your period, you get mood swings and acne. We're doing the same thing." It's like saying that a side effect of nailing two pieces of wood together is that they're attached.[/QUOTE] Effects of periods can be severe enough to put some women into the hospital for excessive nausea/vomiting, abdominal cramps that render you immobile, and mood swings that can dip into very serious depression and suicidal tendencies for people who already have depression to deal with. Saying "it's to be expected" isn't really good enough imo. Birth control pills do not always do the exact same thing a period does, but even when they do, some women have to be hospitalized because of the effects of their period. Saying that "oh this is something they already deal with" doesn't make it okay. Periods bring enough suffering to a lot of women. We don't want something else that gives us that pain twice (or however many times) as often.

guys don't you know that the only 100% effective way to avoid pregnancy is [sp]fucking other dudes[/sp]

[QUOTE=Mort Stroodle;51305572]guys don't you know that the only 100% effective way to avoid pregnancy is [sp]fucking other dudes[/sp][/QUOTE] This would be horrible advice for half the human population.

[QUOTE=killerteacup;51299957]Considering what a lot of women go through for the sake of contraception I wouldn't be dismissing a tiny prick [/QUOTE] In my opinion hormonal birth control should not be given to children as young and as easily as it is now. That stuff can severely fuck you up. My gf had a pill that thinned her hair and got her moody, so we changed to another one. This next pill got her so incredibly cranky and unreasonable that we had fights every day for months on end. It almost broke us up. Then she went cold turkey and we haven't fought since, her skin is better and she can grow her hair twice as long. Libido went up as well. Taking hormones can severily change your personality.

I'd do some rotten things for a male-equivalent of an IUD. I heard good things about Vasagel and then it vanished and I'm not old enough to get a vasectomy. Condoms ruin sex for me as I can't really feel anything, to the point of having issues maintaining an erection because of it. Former partner had an IUD and 2 years of no-condom sex has ruined fucking with a condom on.

[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;51299955]What ever happened to using condoms[/QUOTE] But dood you can't feel her pussy bruh! We wanna cum in vajs!

[QUOTE=Kylel999;51308498]But dood you can't feel her pussy bruh! We wanna cum in vajs![/QUOTE] Women also enjoy no condom sex a whole lot more

the male contraception of choice here is literally an anabolic steroid cocktail but if you were to be caught by the police with a few vials of testosterone in the US and Australia, you would be treated the same as someone who was caught with coke or heroin, go figure. P.S Since nobody seemed to read as per usual, here is the treatment: Intervention: Intramuscular injections of 200-mg norethisterone enanthate combined with 1000-mg testosterone undecanoate, administered every 8 weeks you're not jamming a needle in your bum every night, or even once a week. Its every [B]eight weeks[/B], a slow release depot injection which can painlessly be given in a number of areas. [editline]4th November 2016[/editline] I'm actually surprised by the dosage there, I suspect it would put most men above the normal range for testosterone

[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;51308587]the male contraception of choice here is literally an anabolic steroid cocktail but if you were to be caught by the police with a few vials of testosterone in the US and Australia, you would be treated the same as someone who was caught with coke or heroin, go figure. P.S Since nobody seemed to read as per usual, here is the treatment: Intervention: Intramuscular injections of 200-mg norethisterone enanthate combined with 1000-mg testosterone undecanoate, administered every 8 weeks you're not jamming a needle in your bum every night, or even once a week. Its every [B]eight weeks[/B], a slow release depot injection which can painlessly be given in a number of areas. [editline]4th November 2016[/editline] I'm actually surprised by the dosage there, I suspect it would put most men above the normal range for testosterone[/QUOTE] I think the method here is to give a depot shot that slowly releases types of testosterone that supplements your naturally produced T, this causes the body to produce less testosterone naturally. I suppose the injected T doesn't have the same effect on sperm production thus causing the testes to produce less sperm.

[QUOTE=reedbo;51309533]I think the method here is to give a depot shot that slowly releases types of testosterone that supplements your naturally produced T, this causes the body to produce less testosterone naturally. I suppose the injected T doesn't have the same effect on sperm production thus causing the testes to produce less sperm.[/QUOTE] yes the testosterone component is to replace the natural production that will almost certainly be shut down by the administration of the steroid(s). The Norethisterone is really the star they want to hang their hat on, back when this was first kicking around i thought it was strange that they were evaluating all these anabolic steroids as potential contraceptives since A) anabolic steroids are notoriously unreliable for killing off sperm production and B) most of them cannot be considered acceptable replacements for testosterone in the male physiology because many of them used alone would result in a complete lack of estrogens among other metabolic pathways. obviously now the plan is to combine the steroid with replacement dosages of testosterone. That said, a 1000mg bang regardless of the slow release ester, is going to result in a big peak of T-levels followed by a big trough. This might exacerbate side effects, but obviously pharmas realize people will see one shot every 8 weeks as much more convenient than a shot every other week or every week as it is with conventional testosterone replacement therapy.

I still think the best male contraceptive would be a reversible vasectomy. Hormones in your body like testosterone, estrogen, progesterone, prolactin, oxytocin, etc. all are multipurpose and affect both body parts as well as mental functioning. You see a lot of commercial ads for "low T" even though most men have perfectly fine levels of testosterone even in old age, but actually having low testosterone is pretty terrible with reduction in muscle mass/bone density, low RBC production, no libido, altered fat distribution, etc. And that's just Testosterone, there's FSH, LH, prolactin, sectorial, inhibin, and other hormones as well as interaction with the hypothalamus, pituitary gland, Leydig cells, etc. Spermatogenesis is fucking complicated and a lot of the hormones involved affect other parts of the body as well as the brain. There will never be a male birth control pill that doesn't have nasty side effects and mechanical inhibition of sperm deployment will have the least consequences. For some people, like those with PCOS, female birth control is a godsend for preventing periods, but for others side effects like thinning hair/balding, mood disorders, loss of libido, high cholesterol, high blood pressure, and other potentially life threatening side effects make it a bad choice. I don't think nearly as many women out there should be using the pill then there are now, and right now condoms, diaphragms, etc. are the safest option. Condom manufacturers have made so many different condoms to counteract the "rubber glove" feeling and personally I feel almost the same raw or ribbed. If you buy a cheap crap condom that doesn't fit right you're gonna have a bad time and the condom could rip/slide off. The stereotype in media of condoms feeling like shit is completely overblown and the only practical issue is disposal, because you can make putting on/off the condom an erotic foreplay component with your partner. Just wrap it and tap it.

[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;51309664]yes the testosterone component is to replace the natural production that will almost certainly be shut down by the administration of the steroid(s). The Norethisterone is really the star they want to hang their hat on, back when this was first kicking around i thought it was strange that they were evaluating all these anabolic steroids as potential contraceptives since A) anabolic steroids are notoriously unreliable for killing off sperm production and B) most of them cannot be considered acceptable replacements for testosterone in the male physiology because many of them used alone would result in a complete lack of estrogens among other metabolic pathways. obviously now the plan is to combine the steroid with replacement dosages of testosterone. That said, a 1000mg bang regardless of the slow release ester, is going to result in a big peak of T-levels followed by a big trough. This might exacerbate side effects, but obviously pharmas realize people will see one shot every 8 weeks as much more convenient than a shot every other week or every week as it is with conventional testosterone replacement therapy.[/QUOTE] You tend to get that spike with any sort of depot injection anyway. I bet they could reduce the side effects by increasing the dosage rate but decreasing the dose. But I'm sure some researchers have already considered all of this. This would be why we do clinical trials!

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;51311134]If you can't feel anything, sex is pointless[/QUOTE] Condoms aren't that bad, buy some better quality condoms if you can't feel anything.

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;51311355]I would rather not, because then I last a grand total of 2 seconds :v:[/QUOTE] Well, if you can't keep going, try your fingers.

[QUOTE=Pascall;51305124]Effects of periods can be severe enough to put some women into the hospital for excessive nausea/vomiting, abdominal cramps that render you immobile, and mood swings that can dip into very serious depression and suicidal tendencies for people who already have depression to deal with. Saying "it's to be expected" isn't really good enough imo. Birth control pills do not always do the exact same thing a period does, but even when they do, some women have to be hospitalized because of the effects of their period. Saying that "oh this is something they already deal with" doesn't make it okay. Periods bring enough suffering to a lot of women. We don't want something else that gives us that pain twice (or however many times) as often.[/QUOTE] It seems to me like what he's saying is that the very process by which we can [i]control birth[/i] in women is inherently going to cause these side effects. It's not that he's saying "this pill has a dangerous compound that's causing issues, but meh, fuck it", he's saying "when you're controlling a woman's fertility in this way, it inherently requires these side effects."

[QUOTE=geel9;51312759]It seems to me like what he's saying is that the very process by which we can [i]control birth[/i] in women is inherently going to cause these side effects. It's not that he's saying "this pill has a dangerous compound that's causing issues, but meh, fuck it", he's saying "when you're controlling a woman's fertility in this way, it inherently requires these side effects."[/QUOTE] Well yeah that's what he's saying but he's also saying that he won't take contraceptives for men until they have [I]no[/I] side effects. Which isn't going to be possible no matter what way he slices it. At least not for a good, long while.

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