Cloning? Who Cares? - Polidicks

[QUOTE=tankkiller;19280761]A religion against Gays, a lot of different scientific advances, and a bunch of other things is pretty closed minded.[/QUOTE] There's a reason behind it. Who are we to say what's right and wrong? That would be up to the creator of the damn universe.

I see no ethical concerns, unless you only make them to harvest their organs

[QUOTE=Comcastic;19278266]Guys, I just made a new religion. The god is a giant turtle with guns on its back. Don't try to say it's not real cause I wrote a book about it. Pages don't lie.[/QUOTE] we shall name it Blastoise

[QUOTE=faze;19280775]There's a reason behind it. Who are we to say what's right and wrong? That would be up to the creator of the damn universe.[/QUOTE] Gays aren't doing a damn thing wrong, neither are those scientists doing things with stem cells.

[QUOTE=faze;19280775]There's a reason behind it. Who are we to say what's right and wrong? That would be up to the creator of the damn universe.[/QUOTE] Because right and wrong are completely subjective. So we have the complete right to decide what is right or wrong.

As far as we know, we are the most powerful and most knowlegeable species in the universe. Until proven otherwise, we are the ones who decide what is morally wrong and morally right. Refusing to help save lives through scientific research just because there might be someone who knows better than us is not an intelligent view and is incredibally immoral.

[QUOTE=faze;19280775]There's a reason behind it. Who are we to say what's right and wrong? That would be up to the creator of the damn universe.[/QUOTE] Question 4 u. Okay so there's this dude who's bored as shit for like forever. Nobody knows where he came from but he's always been there. So he decides to poof some shit into existence. SO he makes this place and says its good and then makes other stuff and is like "great". So then he decides that he wants company other than flying invisible dudes and using a lump of dirt makes a dude. Then he says "hey this dude needs some1 else!!!" and then knocks him out and steals a rib from him and makes a girl. So he's like "Dude and girl u 2 r so raddddd I LOVE YOU" Then he is gone off shopping or something and this talking snake comes up and says "Hey yo see that tree that [I]God put there[/I]??? It'll make u smart if you eat off it!!!" [B]The man and the woman were ignorant, like a child. They were ignorant because their all knowing and loving god kept knowledge from them. So they, like a child, listen to the other party. They decide to decide for themselves. They decide to learn. And for that, they are punished? They are damned?[/B] [B]Why would a loving God create something, call it good, and then fuck it all up just for shits and giggles?[/B] [B] Why would a loving God create evil? And yes, according to Christianity, everything originated from this "God". That means that all evil in this world was made by the source of all "good" in this world.[/B] [highlight]You know why you can't answer any of this? Because there is no God, there is no heaven, there is no hell. And the only thing you're doing by believing it is wasting your life away talking to someone who can't answer.[/highlight]

faze you are getting beat at every corner, why are you persisting?

haha nice one DOG-GY

[QUOTE=tankkiller;19280761]A religion against Gays, a lot of different scientific advances, and a bunch of other things is pretty closed minded. No sex before marriage, forget about Women having any rights, um, kill anyone that isn't Chrstian (The crusades), oh and [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_camp]Jesus Camp[/url] Your religion is stupid.[/QUOTE] this

[QUOTE=tankkiller;19280866]Gays aren't doing a damn thing wrong, neither are those scientists doing things with stem cells.[/QUOTE] It's funny because [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bible_and_homosexuality[/url] [editline]03:28PM[/editline] [QUOTE=JustExtreme;19280979]haha nice one DOG-GY[/QUOTE] Thx yo

[QUOTE=DOG-GY;19280963]Question 4 u. Okay so there's this dude who's bored as shit for like forever. Nobody knows where he came from but he's always been there. So he decides to poof some shit into existence. SO he makes this place and says its good and then makes other stuff and is like "great". So then he decides that he wants company other than flying invisible dudes and using a lump of dirt makes a dude. Then he says "hey this dude needs some1 else!!!" and then knocks him out and steals a rib from him and makes a girl. So he's like "Dude and girl u 2 r so raddddd I LOVE YOU" Then he is gone off shopping or something and this talking snake comes up and says "Hey yo see that tree that [I]God put there[/I]??? It'll make u smart if you eat off it!!!" [B]The man and the woman were ignorant, like a child. They were ignorant because their all knowing and loving god kept knowledge from them. So they, like a child, listen to the other party. They decide to decide for themselves. They decide to learn. And for that, they are punished? They are damned?[/B] [B]Why would a loving God create something, call it good, and then fuck it all up just for shits and giggles?[/B] [B] Why would a loving God create evil? And yes, according to Christianity, everything originated from this "God". That means that all evil in this world was made by the source of all "good" in this world.[/B] [highlight]You know why you can't answer any of this? Because there is no God, there is no heaven, there is no hell. And the only thing you're doing by believing it is wasting your life away talking to someone who can't answer.[/highlight][/QUOTE] Where to begin... I'll start with the last point. There's no direct verbal answer, but you are guided spiritually, it's not really easy to explain. God didn't create evil, God created free-will, out of which evil was created, the Bible says God desires a real love relationship with His creation. Love is not real unless was have the ability to not love.

[QUOTE=DOG-GY;19280963]Question 4 u. Okay so there's this dude who's bored as shit for like forever. Nobody knows where he came from but he's always been there. So he decides to poof some shit into existence. SO he makes this place and says its good and then makes other stuff and is like "great". So then he decides that he wants company other than flying invisible dudes and using a lump of dirt makes a dude. Then he says "hey this dude needs some1 else!!!" and then knocks him out and steals a rib from him and makes a girl. So he's like "Dude and girl u 2 r so raddddd I LOVE YOU" Then he is gone off shopping or something and this talking snake comes up and says "Hey yo see that tree that [I]God put there[/I]??? It'll make u smart if you eat off it!!!" [B]The man and the woman were ignorant, like a child. They were ignorant because their all knowing and loving god kept knowledge from them. So they, like a child, listen to the other party. They decide to decide for themselves. They decide to learn. And for that, they are punished? They are damned?[/B] [B]Why would a loving God create something, call it good, and then fuck it all up just for shits and giggles?[/B] [B] Why would a loving God create evil? And yes, according to Christianity, everything originated from this "God". That means that all evil in this world was made by the source of all "good" in this world.[/B] [highlight]You know why you can't answer any of this? Because there is no God, there is no heaven, there is no hell. And the only thing you're doing by believing it is wasting your life away talking to someone who can't answer.[/highlight][/QUOTE] If you even knew the story of Adam and Eve well enough you would know that god put the tree there to test the loyalty of Adam and Eve. Also god didn't create evil, Satan was an angel who rebelled against god and created sin. The entire argument you proposed is based upon misunderstandings.

[QUOTE=Derubermensch;19281116]If you even knew the story of Adam and Eve well enough you would know that god put the tree there to test the loyalty of Adam and Eve. Also god didn't create evil, Satan was an angel who rebelled against god and created sin. The entire argument you proposed is based upon misunderstandings.[/QUOTE] I know the story of Adam and Eve bud, and I knew that's what you were getting at, so I left that alone.

god created everything, so how did he not create evil

[QUOTE=faze;19281034]Where to begin... I'll start with the last point. There's no direct verbal answer, but you are guided spiritually,[/QUOTE] You're guided by your own logic and emotions as well as the events and people around you. [QUOTE=faze;19281034]it's not really easy to explain.[/QUOTE] That's just a Christian's way of saying "idk" [QUOTE=faze;19281034]God didn't create evil, God created free-will, out of which evil was created[/QUOTE] Seeing as it's explicitly stated that God created everything, yes, God created evil. Unless you're saying that something else created it, which is going against your own beliefs. [QUOTE=faze;19281034]the Bible says God desires a real love relationship with His creation. Love is not real unless was have the ability to not love.[/QUOTE] Do u even know what the bible says??????????? "I'm God and I love you all now BURRNNN U SINNNER!!!!!!!!!" "I don't like what they're doing down there that I caused so let's kill everyone in a flood!"

[QUOTE=faze;19281034]Where to begin... I'll start with the last point. There's no direct verbal answer, but you are guided spiritually, it's not really easy to explain. God didn't create evil, God created free-will, out of which evil was created, the Bible says God desires a real love relationship with His creation. Love is not real unless was have the ability to not love.[/QUOTE] There's no direct verbal answer because he doesn't exist.

[QUOTE=Derubermensch;19281116]If you even knew the story of Adam and Eve well enough you would know that god put the tree there to test the loyalty of Adam and Eve. Also god didn't create evil, Satan was an angel who rebelled against god and created sin. The entire argument you proposed is based upon misunderstandings.[/QUOTE] Lol.

he created the angels; therefore he is the father of a fallen angel; ergo creator of evil BUT WAIT THAT CONTRADICTS- oh right

[QUOTE=DOG-GY;19281148]You're guided by your own logic and emotions as well as the events and people around you. That's just a Christian's way of saying "idk" Seeing as it's explicitly stated that God created everything, yes, God created evil. Unless you're saying that something else created it, which is going against your own beliefs. Do u even know what the bible says??????????? "I'm God and I love you all now BURRNNN U SINNNER!!!!!!!!!" "I don't like what they're doing down there that I caused so let's kill everyone in a flood!"[/QUOTE] It's not a way of saying I don't know. It's a way of saying I don't feel like paraphrasing a ton of chapters from the Bible. Yes I know what the Bible says, I have read it... [QUOTE=tankkiller;19281153]There's no direct verbal answer because he doesn't exist.[/QUOTE] Just my point from before, people are weak and can't fathom things like that. Think about the universe ending, can you wrap your mind around the immense size of the universe? How did everything come to be, from the start of time? Did it just appear? I think not.

Oh boy more religion/atheism wars. :munch: I think god in the forms he's portrayed in the bible is impossible, but some sort of force of omnipotent being (not an organic being, more like a collective consciousness) is possible, or in this case, not impossible. But it sure is fun watching you people fight about it.

[quote]Thou, Lord alone has made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host,(angels) the earth, and all things that are therein, the seas and all that is therein, and thou preservest them all! And the host of heaven worships thee.(Nehem:9-6)[/quote] Well... [editline]03:36PM[/editline] [QUOTE=hypno-toad;19281198]But it sure is fun watching you people fight about it.[/QUOTE] It's fun fighting :)

[QUOTE=faze;19281180]It's not a way of saying I don't know. It's a way of saying I don't feel like paraphrasing a ton of chapters from the Bible. Yes I know what the Bible says, I have read it... Just my point from before, people are weak and can't fathom things like that. Think about the universe ending, can you wrap your mind around the immense size of the universe? How did everything come to be, from the start of time? Did it just appear? I think not.[/QUOTE] How do you know the bible is true?

[QUOTE=Comcastic;19281243]How do you know the bible is true?[/QUOTE] Go to Church. That's all I can say. I know because of experiences, and the fact that when I started going to Church, my life totally turned around, for the better. Money is finally together, I'm not as miserable, I'm not as hopeless and depressed, the list goes on.

[QUOTE=faze;19281180]It's not a way of saying I don't know. It's a way of saying I don't feel like paraphrasing a ton of chapters from the Bible.[/QUOTE] Yes it is. [QUOTE=faze;19281180]Yes I know what the Bible says, I have read it...[/QUOTE] Lol and I doubt it. [QUOTE=faze;19281180]Just my point from before, people are weak and can't fathom things like that.[/QUOTE] This is another idea that Christians have which says "The bible is right because we're not smart enough to understand it." [QUOTE=faze;19281180]Think about the universe ending, can you wrap your mind around the immense size of the universe?[/QUOTE] Yes. Obviously you can't. [QUOTE=faze;19281180]How did everything come to be, from the start of time? Did it just appear? I think not.[/QUOTE] But that's what you're saying????

[QUOTE=faze;19281267]Go to Church.[/QUOTE] Why would I need to go to Church? How do you know the Church is telling the truth? For all we know back when Christianity was created it was a simple form of Law enforcement saying if you do bad things you go to hell and suffer forever.

[QUOTE=Monkey pie;19279124]Well. Take a look at the middle east. Religion is the reason why they are stuck in the 1900's.[/QUOTE] And that's because groups like the Taliban have pretty much hijacked the religion, corrupted it, and used it as a tool to keep them in power over the countries. They told the people that they know what Allah thinks best for them, and they bought it. Most of the terrorists over there are just people who got hit with a ton of propaganda disguised as religious teachings from people they thought were trustworthy. It's a surprisingly similar situation here in the United States. When we think of Christianity, we don't think of Jesus, we think of a southern politician screaming about the bible. Christians, particularly southern Christians, are being fed propaganda by corrupt politicians who claim to be speaking "god's word." The people down there don't realize that they're being exploited to keep such corrupt officials in power. And perhaps the most famous example of them all is the actions the Catholic Church took to keep control over Europe in the middle ages. Canon law, excommunication, indulgences, all made up by the church to stay in power. Also faze: Political corruption is present in individual churches as well. A priest is just as likely to fall for such propaganda as anyone else. You're enlightening experience may be hell for someone else.

[QUOTE=faze;19281267]Go to Church. That's all I can say. I know because of experiences, and the fact that when I started going to Church, my life totally turned around, for the better. Money is finally together, I'm not as miserable, I'm not as hopeless and depressed, the list goes on.[/QUOTE] All the money goes to the Church though doesn't it. Also, get a girlfriend they work 10,000x better at getting rid of depression and misery than a guy in the sky.

I'd get myself cloned, have it put into a coma and on life support for as long as I live, and if I ever need an organ I would just take it from it. [editline]03:41PM[/editline] Wait what? Why are people talking about religion. Go make your own religion thread if you're going to go on religious rants people.

[QUOTE=Comcastic;19281330]Why would I need to go to Church? How do you know the Church is telling the truth? For all we know back when Christianity was created it was a simple form of Law enforcement saying if you do bad things you go to hell and suffer forever.[/QUOTE] Christianity was derived from Judaism. I don't think I need to explain that part. [QUOTE=tankkiller;19281340]All the money goes to the Church though doesn't it. Also, get a girlfriend they work 10,000x better at getting rid of depression and misery than a guy in the sky.[/QUOTE] I'm engaged and getting married in May actually, thanks.