[QUOTE=TH89;24952966]Let's be fair though, it's [i]Ireland[/i]
Their Minister of the Environment is climate denier and their Minister of Science just hosted the launch party of a creationist book[/QUOTE]
ireland isn't so cool anymore
[editline]08:29PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;24952965]Exactly. You can overpay on your taxes as well. Why force more taxes on the other 1/3 if the 2/3 that wants to pay more has the option to already.[/QUOTE]
because a democracy is 51% telling 49% how to live their life.
not that it should be that way.
[QUOTE=NightmareXx;24952953]Ireland is cool.[/QUOTE]
but they have higher taxes to pay for it
so
[QUOTE=NightmareXx;24950436]in a perfect capitalist world everyone gets taxed the same percent
[/QUOTE]
In my perfect world, nobody pays taxes. Does that make me delusional?
[QUOTE=TH89;24952966]Let's be fair though, it's [I]Ireland[/I][/QUOTE]
Most of Europe have free university options, and college - college is free in Britain per example. University is also free in Scotland too.
[QUOTE=Chilean;24952989]but they have higher taxes to pay for it
so[/QUOTE]
so?
id be happy with paying higher taxes if it went to something i wanted and if everyone was equally taxed
[QUOTE=NightmareXx;24952975]because a democracy is 51% telling 49% how to live their life.
not that it should be that way.[/QUOTE]
That's why we're a republic
or are supposed to be anyway
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;24953000]In my perfect world, nobody pays taxes. Does that make me delusional?[/QUOTE]
that's what everyone wants.
too bad it is pretty much impossible.
[QUOTE=Penis Colada;24952901]think about it this way:
Poor Jose the gardener who makes $25,000 a year working 40 hours a week probably spends $25,000 a year to stay alive. Now some bank manager guy who probably works 10 hours a week moving money around makes $1 million a year. He probably spends $50,000 of that. See why richer people should pay a higher percentage in tax now?[/QUOTE]
The guy who does our lawn is a Mexican immigrant (legal) who said he made 300,000 dollars last year. That's more than twice what my dad makes working a Government job in the US Embassy, Kabul with danger pay. :saddowns:
He started small with a truck and a lawn mower. Then saved his money and bought more tools to increase work, then got some guys to work for him, and so on and so forth. Now he has a fleet of guys working for him and he still does about 40 lawns a day. I guess you could say he's living "the American dream". He also says he's fine doing the jobs that Americans won't do.
[QUOTE=Chilean;24953020]That's why we're a republic
or are supposed to be anyway[/QUOTE]
we're supposed to be a lot of things
[QUOTE=OvB;24953031]He also says he's fine doing the jobs that Americans won't do.[/QUOTE]
Even though he [i]is[/i] American
[QUOTE=Chilean;24953049]Even though he [i]is[/i] American[/QUOTE]
he's a Mexican immigrant.
Mexican
I love how this thread has turned into a debate about capitalism vs socialism, but in the end none of your ideals or logic matter, because the majority decides not you.
[QUOTE=NightmareXx;24953056]he's a Mexican immigrant.
Mexican[/QUOTE]
legal, so he's a citizen of America, so he's American
[editline]10:35PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=Mrs Affinity;24953063]I love how this thread has turned into a debate about capitalism vs socialism, but in the end none of your ideals or logic matter, because the majority decides not you.[/QUOTE]
I'm having an existential crisis now and will cut myself.
[QUOTE=NightmareXx;24953009]so?
id be happy with paying higher taxes if it went to something i wanted and if everyone was equally taxed[/QUOTE]
Wait a minute did you just go from advocating a flat tax to advocating higher taxes for free public universities
Who are you man :pwn:
[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy18;24952695]By 'suck ass' I mean if they don't have any talent or skills that are needed by the market[/QUOTE]
That talent and skill is required by getting a degree. A degree that will put them in debt and if they are unable to get a job in this unstable economy, they're fucked.
[QUOTE=Chilean;24953069]legal, so he's a citizen of America, so he's American[/QUOTE]
he could have a green card.
and there is a difference between being a British citizen and being British or what have you.
[QUOTE=NightmareXx;24953098]and there is a difference between being a British citizen and being British or what have you.[/QUOTE]
That's why I'm voting BNP!
[img]http://www.independent.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00141/bnp-PA_141028s.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=TH89;24953084]Wait a minute did you just go from advocating a flat tax to advocating higher taxes for free public universities
Who are you man :pwn:[/QUOTE]
im advocating a flat tax.
im also advocating that flat tax being a little higher if it was to make universities free.
[QUOTE=NightmareXx;24953116]im advocating a flat tax.
im also advocating that flat tax being a little higher if it was to make universities free.[/QUOTE]
Do you know about diminishing marginal returns?
[QUOTE=Stupideye;24953085]That talent and skill is required by getting a degree. A degree that will put them in debt and if they are unable to get a job in this unstable economy, they're fucked.[/QUOTE]
Which is why there are government programs to help people in those positions. :downs:
[QUOTE=Reaver1991;24949987]What we should do is introduce a flat tax system.[/QUOTE]
I can not begin to describe just how dumb a flat tax system is.
[QUOTE=NightmareXx;24953098]he could have a green card.[/QUOTE]
oh, yeah I guess, I didn't think of that
[QUOTE=TH89;24953108]That's why I'm voting BNP!
[img_thumb]http://www.independent.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00141/bnp-PA_141028s.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE]
I'm not British nor a British citizen so i don't really know much about your political parties.
i take it the bnp isn't well liked
[QUOTE=OvB;24953031]The guy who does our lawn is a Mexican immigrant (legal) who said he made 300,000 dollars last year. That's more than twice what my dad makes working a Government job in the US Embassy, Kabul with danger pay. :saddowns:
He started small with a truck and a lawn mower. Then saved his money and bought more tools to increase work, then got some guys to work for him, and so on and so forth. Now he has a fleet of guys working for him and he still does about 40 lawns a day. I guess you could say he's living "the American dream". He also says he's fine doing the jobs that Americans won't do.[/QUOTE]
Everything is bigger in Texas.
[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy18;24953130]Which is why there are government programs to help people in those positions. :downs:[/QUOTE]
These programs are extremely limited and generally only help people for a short period, by law. They are not a panacea for unemployment.
[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy18;24953130]Which is why there are government programs to help people in those positions. :downs:[/QUOTE]
paid for by
taxes
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;24953138]That is fucking retarded.
I can not begin to describe just how dumb a flat tax system is.[/QUOTE]
you could at least try to give a reason.
[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy18;24953130]Which is why there are government programs to help people in those positions. :downs:[/QUOTE]
The government doesn't help everybody. Did you read the story Detective P (or whatever his name is) posted on page 1?
[QUOTE=NightmareXx;24953143]I'm not British nor a British citizen so i don't really know much about your political parties.
i take it the bnp isn't well liked[/QUOTE]
I'm not british either, I was just kiddin
[editline]04:41AM[/editline]
[QUOTE=NightmareXx;24953156]you could at least try to give a reason.[/QUOTE]
I gave a reason but you didn't answer :(
[QUOTE=TH89;24953159]I'm not british either, I was just kiddin[/QUOTE]
ah well i don't know.
[editline]08:43PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=TH89;24953159]I gave a reason but you didn't answer :([/QUOTE]
honestly i really dont have one for you.
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