• Trigger Warnings and Seeing Offensiveness in Everything is Hurting College Education
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[QUOTE=nagachief;48523093]Honestly, I'm still incredibly confused where the triggering and all that came from, but jfc anytime I hear it or something similar, the urge to punch someone in the face rises.[/QUOTE] It's a legitimate term relating to people with PTSD, for example fireworks may trigger a combat veteran, or being alone outside at night might trigger a mugging victim. These people may go into full-blown panic attacks when triggered. Then snowflakes on the internet found out about it and added it to their collection of special quirks. Being uncomfortable by pictures of spiders on the internet was now "being triggered".
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;48524596]While I understand the differences between legit triggets (Veterans, victims of legit trauma.), and the alternate term used by over-sensative people, I want to say that this article is the primary reason I think I want to wait on going to College for. I simply don't want to hop on campus and have to think that everything I say could result in a rabid SJW (I'm using the term SJW because I can't think of a better term for these kind of people.) walk up to me and start screaming into my face like an upset toddler, and worse have to be censored for it, good literature censored, and even good humor censored. If I did have to go to College soon and I bumped into one of these people, I'd outright just tell them to fuck off with their bullshit, and constantly try to call them out of their bullshit as much as I can.[/QUOTE] Close the thread, nobody's gonna top this.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;48524897]It's a legitimate term relating to people with PTSD, for example fireworks may trigger a combat veteran, or being alone outside at night might trigger a mugging victim. These people may go into full-blown panic attacks when triggered. Then snowflakes on the internet found out about it and added it to their collection of special quirks. Being uncomfortable by pictures of spiders on the internet was now "being triggered".[/QUOTE] This, pretty much. And its a real shame because it dilutes it for the real (but rare) people for whom that kind of stuff is an actual issue.
This really has a lot to do with what school you go to and what major you're in. I went to a public polytechnic university that's known for engineering, and never once heard anything about microaggressions or trigger warnings. The majority of my professors were Asian or Indian, and couldn't care less about political correctness. Both the professors and students were very laid back about it all. Even my GEs were more "conservative" (not conservative at all, but not extremely left) than the average school. If you go to a school focusing on the humanities or are in any sort of field in the humanities it's a whole lot more prevalent.
I went to a major humanities school and the "worst" I ever saw was a professor in a women's studies class give students the option of not watching a video about rape if they had a traumatic experience. I've also never heard phrases like "microaggression" in real life. It kind of amuses me when people treat those literally hitler "ESS JAY DOUBLEYAS" as though they are everywhere destroying the world.
[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;48525281]I went to a major humanities school and the "worst" I ever saw was a professor in a women's studies class give students the option of not watching a video about rape if they had a traumatic experience. I've also never heard phrases like "microaggression" in real life. It kind of amuses me when people treat those literally hitler "ESS JAY DOUBLEYAS" as though they are everywhere destroying the world.[/QUOTE] I never saw this shit either, but I did a hard science and did my five years before this shit started gaining traction. I did know a couple of stereotypical tumblr feminists though, and they were really shitty to a friend of mine who was Trans*. I hear that the Student Union at my alma mater has gone crazy SJW since, from my little sister who is an active feminist (The point of pointing this out is that she would not make the accusation lightly) and studying there. Not quite "Jazz hands instead of clapping" crazy, at least, though.
I've never dealt with anything ~spoopy SJW~ or ~scawy penis-stealing progressive~, even in my Sociology class. The farthest it went in my sociology class was simply "Man it seems that rich white men tend to be influential in the west" and you'd have to be an idiot not to recognize that.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;48523132]The concept of triggers is pretty reasonable, somebody who has been through a traumatic experience (especially recently) is not going to react well to encountering content with that in it normally. A heads up that "hey this has some pretty graphic descriptions of rape in it, so yeah...only read it if you can take it" is in no way "offensive" and anybody who believes as such has got to be lacking empathy.[/QUOTE]Yeah it's reasonable, but if you break down into fits of crying when you read a book that has a subject barely touching something you experienced, (if you experienced it all, most people who cry about these things are hypersensitive and haven't seen a fucking hard day in their entire goddamn lives) then [i]maybe[/i] you should get a fucking helmet and go get [i]treatment[/i] because you literally cannot function in normal society. If it's so bad that simple words (like rape, for example) set off a hysteric breakdown then that's precisely a situation where somebody should become a ward of the state. [QUOTE=hexpunK;48523132]None of this has gotten out of control in the public sphere, and it's barely out of control on the Internet. It's a pretty fucking small minority of people who try and attribute trigger words to everything they can. And how many of those people are trolls doing it to cause even more backlash is totally up in the air.[/QUOTE]No, sorry pal, but it is going into real life and that "minority" you're talking about like it's a handful of people isn't actually as small as you want to believe. These people do actually do this shit, they act like SJW tumblrinas [i]in real life[/i] and it is very, very disruptive and doesn't help anything at all. [QUOTE=hexpunK;48524274]The concept of them is in no way harmful to people who aren't actually effected by them, getting pissed off that people are using them is silly.[/QUOTE]Missing the point. Using the term isn't the issue, it's the overuse of the term how do you not understand this? [QUOTE=hexpunK;48524274]And sure, Swilly, aversion therapy may not work, but that isn't at all what I proposed with that post. I even pointed out, specifically, that people who have recently gone through trauma might benefit from them for that period. Until someone has come more to terms with an event, it can be hard to tell how they will react to something about that event. Just warning them "hey if you don't feel up to reading this sort of stuff, skip this bit" isn't going to totally ruin their recovery.[/QUOTE]Uhh, no, people who slap trigger warnings onto everything often get really, really fucking pissy when you start asking questions about [i]treatment.[/i] I don't know why this is specifically, but I suspect it's because they've A: never had any trauma and B: need a reason to bitch and having their problem(s) solved means their favorite activity just got harder. At the core of a crazy tumblrina is somebody who wants life on easymode, wants to be the boss of everyone, and doesn't like any adversity or challenges because they often fail at them. (pure speculation of course, but I'm probably right) I don't really fucking care if you don't believe these people exist outside of the dark corners of the internet, your belief is not required for something to be true. I would tell you to read the article, but you either already have and missed the point or you haven't and you're just arguing the same "lol sjws dont really exist okay go back to 4chan" point you always argue. [QUOTE=hexpunK;48524274]And as a victim of something you might not want to be reminded of it until you have received some form of counselling or help to come to terms with it. These warnings are in no way a call to remove content from a curriculum, just a way to make sure someone who hasn't overcome something traumatic doesn't have to suffer undue mental anguish. I'm sure anyone doing a law degree would be well aware of the type of content they may cover, and would understand that they need to overcome their trauma. But in the short term, before they have done that, what harm is there in giving them a heads up that shit might get a bit uncomfortable so they can mentally prepare?[/QUOTE]They [i]don't[/i] mentally prepare because they want an exemption from that particular assignment that "triggers" them. What's even more ridiculous is sometimes that argument works, and people who actually have suffered awful, awful things and people who do have PTSD are [i]infuriated[/i] by that. Maybe it's the latent rage from the constant anxiety, flashbacks, and horrible nightmares but every fucking time I encounter one of these crybabies I want to wring their fucking neck. [QUOTE=Zillamaster55;48524474]People latch on and pretend that a couple (probably satirical) posts on Tumblr or Reddit are actually real and represents tens of millions of college students. It's asinine and it's people with a huge kneejerk reaction to the idea that some people are sensitive to certain topics.[/QUOTE]Except they are literally real people and they do actually act like they do online in real life, except they don't randomly run up to you and start arguing with you about everything. They do passive-aggressive shit like post your picture on the internet, (coupled with a story about how horrible you are) try to get you fired, or maybe phone in an anonymous tip that you beat your dog/spouse/children. Sensible and sane people don't act like that at all because normal people aren't fucking sociopaths. Nobody's upset that people who have experienced trauma need time to cope, hell, I know what it's like to live with people being unhelpful and it's just easier to not talk with them. I know what it's like to struggle alone and I know how helpful individual and group therapy can be to just [i]talk[/i] about things, so my reaction isn't kneejerk at all because [i]this shit is personal.[/i] [QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;48524596]While I understand the differences between legit triggets (Veterans, victims of legit trauma.), and the alternate term used by over-sensative people, I want to say that this article is the primary reason I think I want to wait on going to College for.[/QUOTE]... No.. no you should go to college.
[QUOTE=DeathDoom;48524810]if [i]this[/i] is the reason you're putting off not going to college, then your career probably wasn't going to go anywhere in the first place [editline]23rd August 2015[/editline] seriously what the fuck[/QUOTE] Hey, I care for critical thinking, not getting bothered everytime some huffy fat chick decided to call me some cis pig. I'm not going to a campus where there could be a group of people that'll demand I censor myself whenever I open my mouth and talk, I would never be able to enjoy myself and become more stressed in an environment where I'll have to work my ass off to succeed. And hey, what's wrong with my post? I made it perfcectly clear that I'm not going to tolerate people who demand censorship of media that "triggers" people. To Kill a Mockingbird is a classic. And that the people these days that go on about "triggers" and "micro aggressions" are just obese chicks on tumblr who think obesity should be accepted. I also made it clear that I know the difference between that and people who actually do get triggered from stuff like PTSD from wartime, or victims of rape. [editline]23rd August 2015[/editline] You'd think people would understand what I'm saying?
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;48525601]Hey, I care for critical thinking, not getting bothered everytime some huffy fat chick decided to call me some cis pig. I'm not going to a campus where there could be a group of people that'll demand I censor myself whenever I open my mouth and talk, I would never be able to enjoy myself and become more stressed in an environment where I'll have to work my ass off to succeed. And hey, what's wrong with my post? I made it perfcectly clear that I'm not going to tolerate people who demand censorship of media that "triggers" people. To Kill a Mockingbird is a classic. And that the people these days that go on about "triggers" and "micro aggressions" are just obese chicks on tumblr who think obesity should be accepted. I also made it clear that I know the difference between that and people who actually do get triggered from stuff like PTSD from wartime, or victims of rape. [editline]23rd August 2015[/editline] You'd think people would understand what I'm saying?[/QUOTE] The problem is you're grossly overestimating how many fat chicks are going to decide to call you some cis pig.
[QUOTE=BlueChihuahua;48525635]The problem is you're grossly overestimating how many fat chicks are going to decide to call you some cis pig.[/QUOTE] I'm just going off of what I've heard, even if that's a bad thing to do. I mean I passed by a college I really wanted to go to the other day, and it was it's games department (Columbia College in Chicago by the by.), and inside I see on the screen, not only Brianna Wu, but mentionings of the "Wupocalypse". No I'm not kidding, I seriously saw that. That's what killed my interest, the idea that if I wanted to say, get a degree in gaming, I'd have to deal with people going on about GamerGate and such even if I'm tired of hearing about it, and probably have to make games like Gone Home or some crappy "art" games, instead of fun interesting games.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;48525665] That's what killed my interest, the idea that if I wanted to say, get a degree in gaming, I'd have to deal with people going on about GamerGate and such even if I'm tired of hearing about it, and probably have to make games like Gone Home or some crappy "art" games, instead of fun interesting games.[/QUOTE] But you don't actually have to. No one is going to force you to engage in gamergate or art games if you do not wish so. GG was a huge topic, of course there will be people talking about it. To lose interest in an entire course because of such small problems is strange.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;48525601]I care for critical thinking[/QUOTE] idk how you can say that with a straight face while also saying you may put off getting a degree [I]simply because you may have to deal with someone from a tiny tiny minority of an extreme[/I]
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;48525492] Except they are literally real people and they do actually act like they do online in real life, except they don't randomly run up to you and start arguing with you about everything. They do passive-aggressive shit like post your picture on the internet, (coupled with a story about how horrible you are) try to get you fired, or maybe phone in an anonymous tip that you beat your dog/spouse/children. Sensible and sane people don't act like that at all because normal people aren't fucking sociopaths.[/QUOTE] And how often does this happen? How many % of college students or faculty will deal with this? I'll tell you. Not enough to make a difference. Not enough to get scared about. Not enough to pretend it's a giant issue.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;48525665]I'm just going off of what I've heard, even if that's a bad thing to do. I mean I passed by a college I really wanted to go to the other day, and it was it's games department (Columbia College in Chicago by the by.), and inside I see on the screen, not only Brianna Wu, but mentionings of the "Wupocalypse". No I'm not kidding, I seriously saw that. That's what killed my interest, the idea that if I wanted to say, get a degree in gaming, I'd have to deal with people going on about GamerGate and such even if I'm tired of hearing about it, and probably have to make games like Gone Home or some crappy "art" games, instead of fun interesting games.[/QUOTE] dang martin if you're really that short-fused i think you might be exactly what you're criticizing other people for, like holy shit you may actually have to confront issues and ideas at a university seems like you'd be a pretty problematic student so yeah maybe hold off
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;48525601]Hey, I care for critical thinking, not getting bothered everytime some huffy fat chick decided to call me some cis pig. I'm not going to a campus where there could be a group of people that'll demand I censor myself whenever I open my mouth and talk, I would never be able to enjoy myself and become more stressed in an environment where I'll have to work my ass off to succeed. And hey, what's wrong with my post? I made it perfcectly clear that I'm not going to tolerate people who demand censorship of media that "triggers" people. To Kill a Mockingbird is a classic. And that the people these days that go on about "triggers" and "micro aggressions" are just obese chicks on tumblr who think obesity should be accepted. I also made it clear that I know the difference between that and people who actually do get triggered from stuff like PTSD from wartime, or victims of rape. [editline]23rd August 2015[/editline] You'd think people would understand what I'm saying?[/QUOTE] it sounds to me like this [quote]Hey, I care for critical thinking, not getting bothered everytime some huffy fat chick decided to call me some cis pig. I'm not going to a campus where there could be a group of people that'll demand I censor myself whenever I open my mouth and talk[/quote] is an excuse you use to say why you don't want to go to college when the real reason is this [quote]I'll have to work my ass off to succeed[/quote] [editline]13:37[/editline] as someone who currently goes to college, everything that you assumed about what might happen to you if you go is so off the mark that i'm convinced that you either have a crippling fear of face-to-face human interaction or that you don't actually believe what you're saying
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;48525601]Hey, I care for critical thinking, not getting bothered everytime some huffy fat chick decided to call me some cis pig. I'm not going to a campus where there could be a group of people that'll demand I censor myself whenever I open my mouth and talk, I would never be able to enjoy myself and become more stressed in an environment where I'll have to work my ass off to succeed. And hey, what's wrong with my post? I made it perfcectly clear that I'm not going to tolerate people who demand censorship of media that "triggers" people. To Kill a Mockingbird is a classic. And that the people these days that go on about "triggers" and "micro aggressions" are just obese chicks on tumblr who think obesity should be accepted. I also made it clear that I know the difference between that and people who actually do get triggered from stuff like PTSD from wartime, or victims of rape. [editline]23rd August 2015[/editline] You'd think people would understand what I'm saying?[/QUOTE] Guess what, as long as you don't act like a retard or say sexist/racist shit, nobody cares!!!!!!
Ok I see once again I've made an ass out of myself on Sensationalist Headlines for trying to put my opinion down, only for people to pick apart one part of it. I just don't want to worry about being targeted while I work. I WANT to work you morons. I want to suceed, I want to win, I want to go to college. But I don't see it as worth it if 1. Paying for it is a pain in the ass currently. and 2. I might have to deal with people who would probably get offened the moment I even open my mouth. Maybe, instead of making fun of me for simply saying "I don't want to go because x", maybe understand my point that I don't want to deal with extreme people while I'm already working my ass off, worrying about paying back college, and landing a job after I graduate.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;48525748]And how often does this happen? How many % of college students or faculty will deal with this?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE] In February, Laura Kipnis, [B]a professor[/B] at Northwestern University, wrote an essay in The Chronicle of Higher Education describing a new campus politics of sexual paranoia—[B]and was then subjected to a long investigation after students who were offended by the article and by a tweet she’d sent filed Title IX complaints against her.[/B][/QUOTE] It clearly happens. A bunch of progressive minded people get offended and band together to bring somebody down. Especially in Canada where they'll straight demand somebody be not allowed to speak, teach or even be banned from the country.
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Or maybe I'm sick of feeling like I'm gonna get attack anywhere I go for opening my stupid mouth or typing a string of stupid words and I just want folks to understand.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;48525900] 1. Paying for it is a pain in the ass currently. and 2. I might have to deal with people who would probably get offened the moment I even open my mouth. [/QUOTE] 1. Financial Aid 2. Don't be a dickhead, there isn't some secret code language that you need to decipher to not be offensive it's called being a respecting human being You act like the real world is full of people who are going to get offended at something silly like an orange, and they'll attack you for mentioning oranges in anyway remotely and if you do you're scum etc guess what those people aren't real and are trolls on tumblr not real people
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;48525900]Ok I see once again I've made an ass out of myself on Sensationalist Headlines for trying to put my opinion down, only for people to pick apart one part of it. I just don't want to worry about being targeted while I work. I WANT to work you morons. I want to suceed, I want to win, I want to go to college. But I don't see it as worth it if 1. Paying for it is a pain in the ass currently. and 2. I might have to deal with people who would probably get offened the moment I even open my mouth. Maybe, instead of making fun of me for simply saying "I don't want to go because x", maybe understand my point that I don't want to deal with extreme people while I'm already working my ass off, worrying about paying back college, and landing a job after I graduate.[/QUOTE] not going because of the whole money thing is something that i can completely understand, but what i am trying to tell you is that if you honestly think that college campuses are full of these kinds of people to the point that it's a serious issue for you--you're wrong, it's that simple
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;48525912]Or maybe I'm sick of feeling like I'm gonna get attack anywhere I go for opening my stupid mouth or typing a string of stupid words and I just want folks to understand.[/QUOTE]If you get attacked the very moment you open your mouth, maybe, just maybe, you might be an asshole? Just throwing that out there.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;48525748]And how often does this happen? How many % of college students or faculty will deal with this? I'll tell you. Not enough to make a difference. Not enough to get scared about. Not enough to pretend it's a giant issue.[/QUOTE]The fact that it happens at all is enough to get concerned, just simply accepting that "oh well there aren't many of them it's not a big deal" is [i]not[/i] how you solve problems. These things grow and then they're big massive societal issues that you have years and years of trouble dealing with, maybe not in the immediate future but it breeds a culture of hypersensitivity. Seriously you can see it with how children are raised, when I was young I got to play in the dirt, throw rocks, fuck with knives and do actually [i]useful[/i] shit and I grew up to have all these different skills and abilities. Now you have parents afraid to let their kids go and do anything without being weighed down by completely unnecessary bullshit so "they don't get hurt." This is not a fucking good thing to have! Especially when the entire universe is a deadly and unforgiving place, when sheltered kids bred in hugboxes and safe playpens are thrust into real-life situations they fucking flounder and fail. Sure, life isn't fair but deliberately handicapping people so it's even more unfair isn't kind, it's cruel and sick and that's the kind of shit this is perpetuating. We can't have a single check for something, "oh this covers sexual abuse.. just letting you know," something like that. Nope, instead we're marching headlong into a world where everything has tags and labels warning the defenseless grubworms that were functioning humans that their feelings [i]might[/i] get hurt, and they can just skip that if they want to, bless their little hearts! Fuck that. No, you hack this weed out by the goddamn roots and you burn that son of a bitch so it keeps this stupid shit to the internet where it belongs.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;48525932]If you get attacked the very moment you open your mouth, maybe, just maybe, you might be an asshole? Just throwing that out there.[/QUOTE] Being called an asshole doesn't really help me feel any better. I know what I said was stupid and I'm sorry.
[QUOTE=pentium;48522992]Does this mean I can eat a peanut butter sandwich and not get pulled aside for offending someone who is deathly allergic to peanuts?[/QUOTE] We had this when we traveled to thailand. We were not allowed to eat anything containing peanuts because some fuckhead thought it was smart to go on a plane and not take his meds with him or something.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;48525965]Being called an asshole doesn't really help me feel any better. I know what I said was stupid and I'm sorry.[/QUOTE] It was not meant to make you feel better, just to make you realize that maybe you're at fault and not someone else. I obviously don't know if that's the case but it's worth looking into.
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;48522914]What kind of inbred thinks this is an offensive statement?[/QUOTE] My sister. She also says that you can't be racist against white people and can't be sexist against men. Same goes for that men can't be raped. Toxic stuff like that is unacceptable imho.
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