Trigger Warnings and Seeing Offensiveness in Everything is Hurting College Education
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[QUOTE=Mega1mpact;48525997]We had this when we traveled to thailand. We were not allowed to eat anything containing peanuts because some fuckhead thought it was smart to go on a plane and not take his meds with him or something.[/QUOTE]
Does he get sick by looking at peanuts or something?
[QUOTE=itisjuly;48526004]Does he get sick by looking at peanuts or something?[/QUOTE]
The whole plane wasn't allowed to eat anything containing peanuts.
[QUOTE=Mega1mpact;48526003]My sister.
She also says that you can't be racist against white people and can't be sexist against men. Same goes for that men can't be raped.
Toxic stuff like that is unacceptable imho.[/QUOTE]
I've never understood how this isn't bigotry in most peoples minds.
Not a big fan of MRA's myself but goodness. Just lookup videos of the feminists that protest, harass, sexually assault and bully them into silence.
Honestly on a case-to-case basis, crying and whining about the extremely slim chance of someone that MIGHT decide to be a cunt to you is not worth anyone's time.
Fearing that PC and SJW people are out to get any white man who goes to college is absolutely idiotic and only helps in dividing people. I'm sure a huge majority of you complaining about "the SJWs" have never actually encountered one because [I]they're so fucking rare[/I]
[QUOTE=RichyZ;48525979]how do you suggest slaying the overly pc sjw beast?[/QUOTE]
By not bending over like a spineless worm when some over-sensitive snowflake goes off at you for pretty much no reason.
These days it seems way to simple to end heated discussions on the internet by simply accusing your opponent of being whatever is the buzzword enemy at the moment.
And for heaven's sake, I don't want this stupid tumblrina bullshit to expand overseas to the universities here, discussing the history of the world would be borderline impossible if some overly pc special snowflake keeps screaming about getting triggered.
It's like those people really think that the world is a fairy land that should bend their knees to their feelings instead of the harsh place it really is.
[quote]These days it seems way to simple to end heated discussions on the internet by simply accusing your opponent of being whatever is the buzzword enemy at the moment.[/quote]
Perhaps you're right
[quote]over-sensitive snowflake[/quote]
[quote]tumblrina[/quote]
Oh
I'm surprised this thread didn't devolve into one of those toxic circlejerks where some SJW excesses and anecdotes leads to throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Or occasionally (usually on reddit or something) further to weird ideas like whatever party that isn't the woman, black person, student, worker, or whatever is the one actually oppressed, since the political climate has shifted since the culture wars of the last century.
[QUOTE=Aldawolf;48526255]Perhaps you're right
Oh[/QUOTE]
Is 'The perpetually offended' the word you like better to describe them?
Don't see what's wrong with the term 'over-sensitive snowflake' though, that's a lot more civil than the old 'wimp' or 'sissy' imo.
[QUOTE=Jordax;48526454]Is 'The perpetually offended' the word you like better to describe them?
Don't see what's wrong with the term 'over-sensitive snowflake' though, that's a lot more civil than the old 'wimp' or 'sissy' imo.[/QUOTE]
To be fair, "over-sensitive snowflake" sounds more condescending that these simple insults especially since it's like the poster's putting in a little bit extra effort to mock the other person. Honestly, both kinds of insults are pretty annoying in their own way.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;48525979]how do you suggest slaying the overly pc sjw beast?[/QUOTE]With logic and reason, just like you'd slay any other beast created from idiocy and pure malice. "Social justice warriors" aren't in it for society, or justice, they're self-serving narcissists who want nothing more than to make others feel bad. They're sociopaths looking to feed their addiction to schadenfreude, they don't give a fuck about the people they defend against at all.
Calling out their shit and refusing to give them a good pat on the ass for "trying to do the right thing" while playing their silly little games is the best way to get rid of them.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;48526086]I'm sure a huge majority of you complaining about "the SJWs" have never actually encountered one because [I]they're so fucking rare[/I][/QUOTE]lol not in Minneapolis they aren't, though it depends on where you are. Obviously if you're strolling down Lake you won't find many rabid SJWs because that would mean they'd actually have to deal with persons of darker complexion. (and to be honest walking down Lake Street at 1:30 AM is unsettling because the only people out at that hour are either drunk, high, or doing illegal shit)
You'll find them in Uptown though, which is chock full of hipsters (unsurprising really) and I lived right next to MCAD which seemed to attract them. I'm not going to judge somebody based on hair color, but I thought it was fucking hilarious when I walked by Bad Waitress (local restaurant) and saw a whole pack of women with the same brightly dyed hair that a self-described social justice warrior and internet feminist would sport. Obviously I didn't confirm that they all had tumblr, twitter, and instagram accounts and complained about gamergate and mansplaining because [i]that would be weird[/i] but seeing a walking stereotype I'd find on reddit was amusing. They could have been Republicans for all I know.
Just to reiterate my point about Minneapolis having real-life crazy people who you thought were some type of mythical creature only found on the internet, I want you to look at this: [url]http://minnehahafreespace.org/2015/04/09/how-to-be-a-social-justice-warrior/[/url]
Seriously.
Gotta love the amount of people who pretend those issues don't exist using anecdotal evidence when the article itself shows that they do in certain unis. I guess it simply wouldn't be SH without people jumping in without reading it.
[QUOTE=sgman91;48525245]
If you go to a school focusing on the humanities or are in any sort of field in the humanities it's a whole lot more prevalent.[/QUOTE]
I go to a university that primarily focuses on humanities and "soft" sciences and I'm taking a humanities degree, starting my fourth year in two weeks, and I've yet to encounter any sort of rabid SJW. The "worst" I've encountered is most of my female friends being moderate feminists.
I have no issue with trigger warnings. They're not invasive at all, and if you've suffered some trauma or are more prone to being put in a dark place by the broaching of certain topics (due to some forms of anxiety disorders, etc) then they're a great way to make an informed decision around how/when/if to read that book, watch that movie, etc.
[QUOTE=_Axel;48528226]Gotta love the amount of people who pretend those issues don't exist using anecdotal evidence when the article itself shows that they do in certain unis. I guess it simply wouldn't be SH without people jumping in without reading it.[/QUOTE]
it's not even a good article
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the most concrete thing about the article is when it mentions a better researched piece by the new yorker that is more limited in scope
[editline]24th August 2015[/editline]
oh shit the oberlin college university admins "recommended" that some things be disclaimed with a trigger warning and there was another incident at dame in 1993 oh fuck it's the end of education
[QUOTE=Kommodore;48528803]it's not even a good article
[editline]24th August 2015[/editline]
the most concrete thing about the article is when it mentions a better researched piece by the new yorker that is more limited in scope
[editline]24th August 2015[/editline]
oh shit the oberlin college university admins "recommended" that some things be disclaimed with a trigger warning and there was another incident at dame in 1993 oh fuck it's the end of education[/QUOTE]
Why? Because it doesn't align with your own experience it makes it a bad article? Students pressuring teachers into avoiding certain materials can be problematic, but since you haven't seen that yourself I guess it's not worth mentioning?
These things are not above criticism and trying to caricature the opposition's thoughts doesn't really bring anything to the table.
College/universities have turned into "daycare for (mostly) hypersensitive 20-year-olds" anyway. I don't think this trend is going away any time soon.
[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;48529048]College/universities have turned into "daycare for (mostly) hypersensitive 20-year-olds" anyway. I don't think this trend is going away any time soon.[/QUOTE]
And this assertion is based on what precisely? First hand experience? Articles from right-wing rags trying to scaremonger? /pol/?
In reality this doesn't align to anything me and hundreds of thousands of other students will willingly attest to experiencing. Again, maybe it's just a US university thing where this is marginally more common, but it is in no way a big enough problem to be "the end of education". Any minority group of people that are causing problems with this are usually ignored or too unimportant to actually enact change.
Some of these "triggered" people sound like entitled pricks.
I've also never understood the campaign to get rid of trigger warnings all together.
"Hey this book/movie has scenes of sexual assault so if you have issues with that we're just letting you know"
"UGH FUCKING SJWS RUINING SHIT UGH EDUCATION IS DEAD THIS IS WHY I DON'T GO TO COLLEGE"
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;48530003]I've also never understood the campaign to get rid of trigger warnings all together.
"Hey this book/movie has scenes of sexual assault so if you have issues with that we're just letting you know"
"UGH FUCKING SJWS RUINING SHIT UGH EDUCATION IS DEAD THIS IS WHY I DON'T GO TO COLLEGE"[/QUOTE]
I think it's just a little bit of a knee jerk reaction to people who are overreacting to things (which, in and of itself is an overreaction).
Any push away from equilibrium tends to be met with an equal push from the opposite direction; the second a few vocal people started chiming in about how absolutely everything needed a trigger warning a bunch of people came out of the woodwork to fight them on the issue on principle alone.
I'm going to add in my anecdote to the conversation,
I attended and completed my bachelor of science in ecology and evolutionary biology from 2010-2014 at the University of Arizona, and I never got a whiff of this social justice warrior, triggery bullshit. I guess I was at too liberal a school for this sort of crap to happen, maybe it's more restricted to the arts and humanities types, didn't see any of this in my science classes.
Legitimately I feel bad that people are abusing the Post Traumatic Stress Disorder in this new "trigger" trend, when actual sufferers of this problem (veterans and people who were literally nerve shocked and scarred for life) are driven to madness. These people can seriously harm themselves over these kinds of problems. They literally can't even control what happens to them, they are held hostage to their past nightmares living them out in full focus on occasion for something to make them relive their actual traumatic experiences. To them there is no "warning" you can put on anything, these sorts of things can happen at any time and without reason or context. When these things happen they are at an extreme danger to themselves and others. Anything as simple a bird flying fast near a window can send them into an episode.
This trigger shit is demeaning to these victims of war and extreme violence and this trigger shit just demeans their actual problems at the hands of these greedy attention seekers, people abusing this trigger mentality are just watering down the protection these people actually deserve for their petty attention seeking gains, it's deplorable and pathetic. Also, I'm sorry but I don't qualify rape or drug abuse in the same standard as watching a bunch of your friends and fellow soldiers blow up in front of you with all of their guts and blood flinging everywhere, or watching young children and women die on the battlefield due to wartime chaos. You should be given help and support after having these things happen to you, and if you legitimately suffer from these sorts of problems then you should receive treatment, but more and more I see these things used as gateways to just lower the quality of what this problem entails. If seeing something that offends you can make you upset, that is fine and you shouldn't be forced to look at that, but it doesn't give you the right to label yourself with a very serious illness for the purposes of undeserved attention or financial support, or to force everybody to not learn about something in an educated setting because you feel entitled to drive everyone elses experiences towards your own, people who do this shit are fucking disgusting.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;48530003]I've also never understood the campaign to get rid of trigger warnings all together.
"Hey this book/movie has scenes of sexual assault so if you have issues with that we're just letting you know"
"UGH FUCKING SJWS RUINING SHIT UGH EDUCATION IS DEAD THIS IS WHY I DON'T GO TO COLLEGE"[/QUOTE]
You say it like teachers don't have to deal with #Triggered students that need a safe space in a law uni because learning about rape laws triggers them.
[QUOTE=WarriorWounds;48530076]I'm going to add in my anecdote to the conversation,
I attended and completed my bachelor of science in ecology and evolutionary biology from 2010-2014 at the University of Arizona, and I never got a whiff of this social justice warrior, triggery bullshit. I guess I was at too liberal a school for this sort of crap to happen, maybe it's more restricted to the arts and humanities types, didn't see any of this in my science classes.
Legitimately I feel bad that people are abusing the Post Traumatic Stress Disorder in this new "trigger" trend, when actual sufferers of this problem (veterans and people who were literally nerve shocked and scarred for life) are driven to madness. These people can seriously harm themselves over these kinds of problems. They literally can't even control what happens to them, they are held hostage to their past nightmares living them out in full focus on occasion for something to make them relive their actual traumatic experiences. To them there is no "warning" you can put on anything, these sorts of things can happen at any time and without reason or context. Anything as simple a bird flying fast near a window can send them into an episode.
This trigger shit is demeaning to these victims of war and this trigger shit just demeans their actual problems at the hands of these greedy attention seekers, people abusing this trigger mentality are just watering down the protection these people actually deserve from their petty attention seeking gains, it's deplorable and pathetic. Also, I'm sorry but I don't qualify rape or drug abuse in the same standard as watching a bunch of your friends and fellow soldiers blow up in front of you with all of their guts and blood flinging everywhere, or watching young children and women die on the battlefield due to wartime chaos. You should be given help and support after having these things happen to you, and if you legitimately suffer from these sorts of problems then you should receive treatment, but more and more I see these things used as gateways to just lower the quality of what this problem entails. If seeing something that offends you can make you upset, that is fine and you shouldn't be forced to look at that, but it doesn't give you the right to label yourself with a very serious illness for the purposes of undeserved moral support, or to force everybody to not learn about something in an educated setting because you feel entitled to drive everyone elses experiences towards your own, people who do this shit are fucking disgusting.[/QUOTE]
I really wouldn't downplay rape just because it isn't "Comparable" to something a veteran sees, it's still a very traumatic experience that can get violent. War isn't the only thing you can get PTSD from you know, it's an illness that can come from a lot of traumatic experiences like rape or violent assault. I don't think anyone on a college campus is going to take you seriously if you're triggered by "fatphobia" or something silly, that's limited to tumblr, but rape is still something that shouldn't be ignored.
[QUOTE=Aldawolf;48530225]I really wouldn't downplay rape just because it isn't "Comparable" to something a veteran sees, it's still a very traumatic experience that can get violent. War isn't the only thing you can get PTSD from you know, it's an illness that can come from a lot of traumatic experiences like rape or violent assault. I don't think anyone on a college campus is going to take you seriously if you're triggered by "fatphobia" or something silly, that's limited to tumblr, but rape is still something that shouldn't be ignored.[/QUOTE]
Allow me to clarify, I think that leigitmate rape is a horrible thing, I don't think it is good or tolerable in any respect, sufferers of it should receive help and support, at my school I worked in the health clinic and we had support groups for rape any other crimes that these sexual victims endured that I helped with, I think it was a beautiful and powerful thing for them.
But I don't think that I am going out on a limb when I voice the opinion that rape, drug abuse, or other things shouldn't be thrown into the same box of injury as wartime traumatic PTSD. These things are separated by a degree of severity of suffering in my eyes, one is like literally scarring you for life and can send you into bipolar fits of rage and violence, the other one is a horrible scarring of the mind but I've never seen a rape victim who would start trying to shoot or stab people because they thought they were in a Warzone. They are objectively suffering from different things, and labeling yourself with PTSD is offensive to me after working with both groups.
It's more of a problem for the people who proclaim false rape on campuses, which Is something I have seen and experienced happening to others, the people who get caught up in parties with another person and come to regret it later can sometimes threaten these "rapes" as a means of revenge or other things, I hate these types of people too. It's an impossible crime to disprove because often the feeling of "rape" is entirely on whoever reported the crime, it is so difficult to prove or disprove it is basically meaningless in a lot of court cases. He said, she said scenarios and whatnot. It is made worse by a lot of these SJW/feminatzi types trying to lower the standards of what a "rape" is, you see people making up retarded shit in media like staring a a man or woman's body parts is like literal rape. Not all, but a lot of people abuse this method to just taint people with a label to harm them, when in reality they are just making up lies and ironically harming the legitimate cases by demeaning their value.
[QUOTE=WarriorWounds;48530293]Allow me to clarify, I think that leigitmate rape is a horrible thing, I don't think it is good or tolerable in any respect, sufferers of it should receive help and support, at my school I worked in the health clinic and we had support groups for rape any other crimes that these sexual victims endured that I helped with, I think it was a beautiful and powerful thing for them.
But I don't think that I am going out on a limb when I voice the opinion that rape, drug abuse, or other things shouldn't be thrown into the same box of injury as wartime traumatic PTSD. These things are separated by a degree of severity of suffering in my eyes, one is like literally scarring you for life and can send you into bipolar fits of rage and violence, the other one is a horrible scarring of the mind but I've never seen a rape victim who would start trying to shoot or stab people because they thought they were in a Warzone. They are objectively suffering from different things, and labeling yourself with PTSD is offensive to me after working with both groups.
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I'm not entirely getting you, are you saying rape victims should not be labeled as having PTSD?
[QUOTE=itisjuly;48530509]I'm not entirely getting you, are you saying rape victims should not be labeled as having PTSD?[/QUOTE]
I said what I said in the exact manner I intended it to be interpreted with context.
[QUOTE=WarriorWounds;48530293]Allow me to clarify, I think that leigitmate rape is a horrible thing, I don't think it is good or tolerable in any respect, sufferers of it should receive help and support, at my school I worked in the health clinic and we had support groups for rape any other crimes that these sexual victims endured that I helped with, I think it was a beautiful and powerful thing for them.
But I don't think that I am going out on a limb when I voice the opinion that rape, drug abuse, or other things shouldn't be thrown into the same box of injury as wartime traumatic PTSD. These things are separated by a degree of severity of suffering in my eyes, one is like literally scarring you for life and can send you into bipolar fits of rage and violence, the other one is a horrible scarring of the mind but I've never seen a rape victim who would start trying to shoot or stab people because they thought they were in a Warzone. They are objectively suffering from different things, and labeling yourself with PTSD is offensive to me after working with both groups.
It's more of a problem for the people who proclaim false rape on campuses, which Is something I have seen and experienced happening to others, the people who get caught up in parties with another person and come to regret it later can sometimes threaten these "rapes" as a means of revenge or other things, I hate these types of people too. It's an impossible crime to disprove because often the feeling of "rape" is entirely on whoever reported the crime, it is so difficult to prove or disprove it is basically meaningless in a lot of court cases. He said, she said scenarios and whatnot. It is made worse by a lot of these SJW/feminatzi types trying to lower the standards of what a "rape" is, you see people making up retarded shit in media like staring a a man or woman's body parts is like literal rape. Not all, but a lot of people abuse this method to just taint people with a label to harm them, when in reality they are just making up lies and ironically harming the legitimate cases by demeaning their value.[/QUOTE]
PTSD isn't limited to war, you can get it from any severely traumatic experience, you might just associate it with wartime vets because you often hear how it goes untreated in them.
[url]http://www.npr.org/2012/08/17/159023437/ptsd-not-just-war-wound-young-people-suffer-too[/url] here's a good article
[QUOTE=Aldawolf;48530606]PTSD isn't limited to war, you can get it from any severely traumatic experience, you might just associate it with wartime vets because you often hear how it goes untreated in them.
[url]http://www.npr.org/2012/08/17/159023437/ptsd-not-just-war-wound-young-people-suffer-too[/url] here's a good article[/QUOTE]
I read the article you posted, it was interesting that the article never talked about rape but instead other traumatic violent events for young teens, but the comments section had plenty of people assuming the problem the article was describing extended to rape as well. While it didn't provide any sort of evidence for your point of view, I think there is merit in unlocking exactly what the definitions of each type of suffering are, but again, I am maintaining my opinion that they should be diagnosed different, clinically at least, like you wouldn't be prescribing the same medication or dosages for both events. Muddying those definitions and trying to mix them together is my percieved problem.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;48526086]Honestly on a case-to-case basis, crying and whining about the extremely slim chance of someone that MIGHT decide to be a cunt to you is not worth anyone's time.
Fearing that PC and SJW people are out to get any white man who goes to college is absolutely idiotic and only helps in dividing people. I'm sure a huge majority of you complaining about "the SJWs" have never actually encountered one because [I]they're so fucking rare[/I][/QUOTE]
Except for a few idiots; I don't think anyone is talking about that.
I think they're worried for the abuse that's already occurred and will continue to occur because this is a cultural attitude amongst millennials.
[editline]24th August 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;48530003]I've also never understood the campaign to get rid of trigger warnings all together.
"Hey this book/movie has scenes of sexual assault so if you have issues with that we're just letting you know"
"UGH FUCKING SJWS RUINING SHIT UGH EDUCATION IS DEAD THIS IS WHY I DON'T GO TO COLLEGE"[/QUOTE]
The thing is; I'm against them because they're redundant. You can easily google search the books you have to read/are about to purchase on a whim.
You can read the description on the back of the book. There are SEVERAL places before we put in trigger warnings that sell the book or say what the book says in a vague way. If you're still unsure, look it up.
The same goes with classes; every student is given a syllabi; every student is expected to research the classes their signing up for. Every student is expected to be prepared for the class when it starts. If you're not prepared mentally, than what are you doing? If its a required class then maybe you need to seek out that help or talk to your advisors.
There are many routes to take when it comes to this, trigger warnings are redundant. Its like putting trigger warnings on Videogames, Movies or Television. It would be made entirely redundant by the systems are already in place.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;48526004]Does he get sick by looking at peanuts or something?[/QUOTE]
[quote]Does this mean I can eat a peanut butter sandwich and not get pulled aside for offending someone who is deathly allergic to peanuts?[/quote]
Some people have allergies so bad they can legit die just from being close to them, just saying. Lots of particles getting released into the air
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