Privacy-destroying Internet bill (CISPA) goes to vote this Monday, without massive resistance, it's
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[QUOTE=nomad1;35649893]Welp, time to migrate onto the TOR network and possibly a new internet.[/QUOTE]
People will always find a way to share information freely. No one truly controls the internet and fortunately, because TCP/IP standards are so open, alternatives and workarounds would start popping up everywhere.
I do feel like this is one of those cases where the tighter they grip, the more sand slips through there fingers.
Soon: Buy unrestricted internet on black market
This still has to go through the Supreme Court even if it passes, right? During the whole SOPA fiasco I heard the Court has already vetoed bills like this before. If so, it is unlikely CISPA will go through. Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating doing nothing, I'm just trying to be optimistic.
[QUOTE=Ekalektik_1;35651521]This still has to go through the Supreme Court even if it passes, right? During the whole SOPA fiasco I heard the Court has already vetoed bills like this before. If so, it is unlikely CISPA will go through. Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating doing nothing, I'm just trying to be optimistic.[/QUOTE]
so you'r telling this is just round 1 there need's to be a round 2.?
us should just tear down its statue of liberty doesn't mean anything nowadays
What about the Senate Cybersecurity bill? The reason the White House opposes CISPA is because of it.
[QUOTE=_Maverick_;35647004][I]please feel free to correct me if i'm wrong[/I], last thing i want is to make the wrong message
but isn't stuff like this only bad... [U]if you're doing bad stuff[/U]?
what's the big deal there? isn't that i dare say, a good thing?
\/ don't just rate, explain why. :argh:[/QUOTE]
[quote]Read about the law or the law itself: the U.S. gov't will REWARD FINANCIALLY ISPs and other companies such as Facebook, Microsoft, Verizon, AT&T, etc. to leak PRIVATE, PERSONAL DATA on users "suspected" of "malicious activities", intended or not. Yes, the text IS THAT VAGUE.
The companies who decide to share shit with the U.S. gov't (for $$$) will give the gov't permission to get access to and store in their databases server logs that may contain the following: who you talked to on the net, for how long, how frequently - Email and IM servers, what sites you visited, what you clicked on those sites, what you dl'd, videos you've seen on the net, song you've listened to, financial data such as bank account numbers and credit card numbers, login data if unencrypted, your REAL NAME and ADDRESS associated with the ISP account and IPs you used, GPS locations, if accessing from cellphones - all those completely available at your ISP in the form of server log text files -, and MUCH MORE. All this with NO WARRANTS, NO PROBABLE CAUSE, NO FORMAL ACCUSATIONS and NO WARNING TO YOU. AND the additional costs will be passed on to the final consumer - YOU. [/quote]
Basically the US pays companies to give them your personal information. When they say "malicious activities", that is way too vague of a statement to be a good thing. If they feel like it, they can convict you for doing nothing and saying it seemed like a "malicious activity".
This is really really bad.
The day after my birthday.
Yay...
[QUOTE=Ekalektik_1;35651521]This still has to go through the Supreme Court even if it passes, right? During the whole SOPA fiasco I heard the Court has already vetoed bills like this before. If so, it is unlikely CISPA will go through. Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating doing nothing, I'm just trying to be optimistic.[/QUOTE]
No. It goes to the President after a bill has been through the House and Senate. He's the one that veto's shit, the court interprets if the law is constitutional if it finds a problem, but it usually shouldn't because the President should not sign into nor enforce unconstitutional law.
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;35652056]No. It goes to the President after a bill has been through the House and Senate. He's the one that veto's shit, the court interprets if the law is constitutional if it finds a problem, but it usually shouldn't because the President should not sign into nor enforce unconstitutional law.[/QUOTE]
Obama has already stated he doesn't endorse internet censorship bills and, though this isn't necessarily a censorship bill, CISPA falls under the category of things he should not pass if he wants a decent chance at reelection. At least I think he has. Also how can this bill possibly be constitutional? It's basically legal bribery.
[QUOTE=Ekalektik_1;35652326]Obama has already stated he doesn't endorse internet censorship bills and, though this isn't necessarily a censorship bill, CISPA falls under the category of things he should not pass if he wants a decent chance at reelection. At least I think he has. Also how can this bill possibly be constitutional? It's basically legal bribery.[/QUOTE]
I answered your question and you're questioning even harder and not making sense.
[QUOTE=Ekalektik_1;35652326]Obama has already stated he doesn't endorse internet censorship bills and, though this isn't necessarily a censorship bill, CISPA falls under the category of things he should not pass if he wants a decent chance at reelection.[/QUOTE]
This is a statement that makes sense, but also remember this is the man who screamed that the NDAA for 2012 should have indefinite detention provisions then in a signing letter said his administration will not use the power he basically bitched over to get.
[QUOTE=Ekalektik_1;35652326]At least I think he has. Also how can this bill possibly be constitutional? It's basically legal bribery.[/QUOTE]
I never said it was, I was describing the processes of American government because it sounded like you didn't know what you were talking about.
[QUOTE=Ekalektik_1;35652326]Obama has already stated he doesn't endorse internet censorship bills and, though this isn't necessarily a censorship bill, CISPA falls under the category of things he should not pass if he wants a decent chance at reelection. At least I think he has. Also how can this bill possibly be constitutional? It's basically legal bribery.[/QUOTE]
We're saved!
But we should still fight, to give the point to everyone that we don't like shit like this.
if this goes through there will be riots everywhere.
What's with those fucking terrible laws getting proposed every few months and most being expected to be passed jesus fuck
make it stop
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;35652734]I answered your question and you're questioning even harder and not making sense.
This is a statement that makes sense, but also remember this is the man who screamed that the NDAA for 2012 should have indefinite detention provisions then in a signing letter said his administration will not use the power he basically bitched over to get.
I never said it was, I was describing the processes of American government because it sounded like you didn't know what you were talking about.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I admit I don't know a whole lot about how these things actually work. I like to I know a little about how they [i]should[/i] work. Anyway, I also like to think there's still hope, especially if we all make a fuss about it and Obama really doesn't endorse bills like this.
How does one even submit a bill like this without it being immediately shot down for directly violating the Fourth Amendment? Or is it "okay" because it's the companies that are doing it, rather than the government directly
Sent messages to both my Congressmen and my District Rep, and signed a few petitions.
I really hope this helps, this is fucking ridiculous.
[QUOTE=Rastadogg5;35653174]Sent messages to both my Congressmen and my District Rep, and signed a few petitions.
I really hope this helps, this is fucking ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
I may send emails to my congressmen tomorrow, but something tells me they won't give a damn.
[QUOTE=krassell;35647846]They want to liquidate our privacy? I say we liquidate the fucking government.[/QUOTE]
Keep the democrats at least. We can live without the bible-thumping, right-wing nutjobs that call themselves Republicans.
Why is this thread so inactive? This is a big fucking deal.
At this point I think we need to simply construct an entirely new internet, one built from the ground up for privacy and anonymity and free of the corporate bullshit and government snooping that has taken over the original Internet. There's no going back, we've pretty much lost everything we loved about the net.
[QUOTE=Smug Bastard;35655148]Why is this thread so inactive? This is a big fucking deal.[/QUOTE]
Its relatively unknown around other parts of the internet for some fucking reason. I look up facebook and reddit and both are sort of just whispering about this. This should be blown up so big that even Oprah can see it from her secret space base or whatever.
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[QUOTE=wari65;35653103]How does one even submit a bill like this without it being immediately shot down for directly violating the Fourth Amendment? Or is it "okay" because it's the companies that are doing it, rather than the government directly[/QUOTE]
The government is bought. This is another bill by corporate owners who play on the general lack of knowledge the government has in regards to the internet.
Is this only in the US?
Christ the lengths these old out of touch bastards would go to do what's "good"
This is what 1984 warned us about. Hell this is less 1984 more Brave New World.
[QUOTE=C:\;35658041]Is this only in the US?[/QUOTE]
The bill itself yes, but the impact will go over to europe too seeing as most software and media manufacturers are in US. They will either have to adapt to EU law or stop shipping. Some will adapt, but I suppose some could stop shipping.
And there is another thing such as chain reaction. If US is successful in passing this, someone in EU will try too, see ACTA. Good it failed, but you can never know what and when slips through.
if this pass, i say one word. VPN
So, has anyone heard from their congressmen? Also, which subject do I choose? "Civil Rights"?
Also, do they usually reply? I'm deleting my FB account. Never used it really used it. Beside if I need too, I can just e-mail anyone I need to contact.
[QUOTE=Sodisna;35663961]So, has anyone heard from their congressmen? Also, which subject do I choose? "Civil Rights"?
Also, do they usually reply? I'm deleting my FB account. Never used it really used it. Beside if I need too, I can just e-mail anyone I need to contact.[/QUOTE]
You can't delete your FB account. I've tried multiple times but every time you re-login it's back up. It's never deleted.
We should make our own act up. something along the lines of STOPTRYING.
They really won't stop trying until it's passed, it's a form of harassement to democracy that such acts with the same purpose pop up again, and again.
[QUOTE=PowerBall v1;35660659]if this pass, i say one word. VPN[/QUOTE]
Congress will just pass a law making VPNs responsible for what their customers do and requiring all records be retained indefinitely and made available to law enforcement and the MAFIAA without a warrant.
[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;35664371]You can't delete your FB account. I've tried multiple times but every time you re-login it's back up. It's never deleted.[/QUOTE]
I got this e-mail.
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Hi Nicholas,
We have received a request to permanently delete your account. Your account has been deactivated from the site and will be permanently deleted within 14 days.
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